Week 33. BW , Hela, Knull, Heimdall
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That was a good search!ThaRoadWarrior said:
Now we have in there acknowledgement, reasons, and how it will work on future.
I'd rather believe that, and the goodwill of CS, than other rumours talking about spenders hoarders and white glove service.
I think CS doesn't deserve all that bad publicy, don't help to spread those kinds of rumours.2 -
I didn’t mean you specifically (though I find it odd you wouldn’t want any cover of your choosing). Like I said, anytime ANYONE is in a special store, that ANYONE has completed, that’s a ticket. Versus one ticket for a customer every two years when they unload a hoard- which seems much more reasonable to manage. Idk what the whale community assumed but they were clearly wrong as the service still exists today for anyone who wants it and many have taken advantage with excellent characters in LLs. As Hound says, and I totally forgot this, it was a temporary goodwill thing done by CS. So of course they wouldn’t post the “policy” as it wasn’t a black and white policy.entrailbucket said:
You're assuming I'd do that. I wouldn't. I don't pull on those stores and I wouldn't even if they gave cover swaps. They're a bad deal. But besides that, how many other 550 OMLs do you think are out there? I know of about 2 or 3 among active players. That's significantly less than the number of swap tickets they had to handle during the SW/Colossus latest 3.Daredevil217 said:I’m not going to pretend to know their reasoning but my guess (since it was stated in the Brigby quote I posted) was to cut down on all the support tickets they’d get. Everytime a OML store pops up that’s a free cover for whoever you want and another ticket submitted. Since I’m sure every character is close to a 550 by someone that’s a lot of tickets to submit. They had to draw the line somewhere for the good of their team but didn’t want to take everything away from the player at the same time. Felt like a good middle ground to me honestly. You disagree?
What I know about this is that at some point well before 2018, a player with a 550 character could convert covers of that character to any other character of their choice.
One day they stopped doing those, and told players who requested it that they'd only do exchanges according to the policy posted in that thread (latest 3 only). This was done during a particularly bad latest 3 that very few people wanted to buy. The whale community's assumption at that time was that they were being forced to buy bad characters. (Many of them did anyway, though)
That change wasn't posted or announced anywhere that I know of. In fact, if you read that thread, the latest 3 policy significantly predates it. Where was the announcement of that policy?
This is more or less what I was saying too. But any actual evidence posted seems to be dismissed in favor of these conspiracy theories that I’ve yet to see any evidence of actually being true.Bad said:
That was a good search!ThaRoadWarrior said:
Now we have in there acknowledgement, reasons, and how it will work on future.
I'd rather believe that, and the goodwill of CS, than other rumours talking about spenders hoarders and white glove service.
I think CS doesn't deserve all that bad publicy, don't help to spread those kinds of rumours.Bottom line is X used to spend to get a service. Y found a way to qualify for said service without spending. EB thinks that means the service used to ONLY be for spenders and other people are “taking advantage” (steakhouse analogy), but none of that has been proven true. If they wanted to shut down swaps completely, they could have done so during the introduction of the saved cover era as they were changing up how they do things left and right. They chose to keep the service. Probably because like I said, it’s so rare when someone busts a LL hoard that they can deal with the once every two years ticket. Or, we can continue to create these unfounded accusations.5 -
Furthering the “steakhouse analogy,” this is more of a “secret menu item” with all the ingredients that they will prepare if you know to ask for it. This is fun and novel when it’s a small group of local diners asking, but once it gets published in the local paper and 30% of your customers start asking for it, you probably want to think about shutting it down. The narrative seems pretty clear in that thread it wasn’t intended to be widely utilized, then it was, so a feature was rolled out to replace it.0
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Anyone with a green name banner is a mod, but @fight4thedream seems to be the most (only?) active mod these days.dianetics said:I wonder if we can get the mods to branch this discussion off into a different thread. Since it has very little to do with the boosted discussion.
I don’t know who to tag for this though.0 -
Conspiracy theories and unfounded accusations? What are we even talking about here? What exactly do you think I'm accusing someone of? What is the conspiracy?Daredevil217 said:
I didn’t mean you specifically (though I find it odd you wouldn’t want any cover of your choosing). Like I said, anytime ANYONE is in a special store, that ANYONE has completed, that’s a ticket. Versus one ticket for a customer every two years when they unload a hoard- which seems much more reasonable to manage. Idk what the whale community assumed but they were clearly wrong as the service still exists today for anyone who wants it and many have taken advantage with excellent characters in LLs. As Hound says, and I totally forgot this, it was a temporary goodwill thing done by CS. So of course they wouldn’t post the “policy” as it wasn’t a black and white policy.entrailbucket said:
You're assuming I'd do that. I wouldn't. I don't pull on those stores and I wouldn't even if they gave cover swaps. They're a bad deal. But besides that, how many other 550 OMLs do you think are out there? I know of about 2 or 3 among active players. That's significantly less than the number of swap tickets they had to handle during the SW/Colossus latest 3.Daredevil217 said:I’m not going to pretend to know their reasoning but my guess (since it was stated in the Brigby quote I posted) was to cut down on all the support tickets they’d get. Everytime a OML store pops up that’s a free cover for whoever you want and another ticket submitted. Since I’m sure every character is close to a 550 by someone that’s a lot of tickets to submit. They had to draw the line somewhere for the good of their team but didn’t want to take everything away from the player at the same time. Felt like a good middle ground to me honestly. You disagree?
What I know about this is that at some point well before 2018, a player with a 550 character could convert covers of that character to any other character of their choice.
One day they stopped doing those, and told players who requested it that they'd only do exchanges according to the policy posted in that thread (latest 3 only). This was done during a particularly bad latest 3 that very few people wanted to buy. The whale community's assumption at that time was that they were being forced to buy bad characters. (Many of them did anyway, though)
That change wasn't posted or announced anywhere that I know of. In fact, if you read that thread, the latest 3 policy significantly predates it. Where was the announcement of that policy?
This is more or less what I was saying too. But any actual evidence posted seems to be dismissed in favor of these conspiracy theories that I’ve yet to see any evidence of actually being true.Bad said:
That was a good search!ThaRoadWarrior said:
Now we have in there acknowledgement, reasons, and how it will work on future.
I'd rather believe that, and the goodwill of CS, than other rumours talking about spenders hoarders and white glove service.
I think CS doesn't deserve all that bad publicy, don't help to spread those kinds of rumours.Bottom line is X used to spend to get a service. Y found a way to qualify for said service without spending. EB thinks that means the service used to ONLY be for spenders and other people are “taking advantage” (steakhouse analogy), but none of that has been proven true. If they wanted to shut down swaps completely, they could have done so during the introduction of the saved cover era as they were changing up how they do things left and right. They chose to keep the service. Probably because like I said, it’s so rare when someone busts a LL hoard that they can deal with the once every two years ticket. Or, we can continue to create these unfounded accusations.
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I disagree.shardwick said:
I mean nobody is forcing you to use meta characters. Use more characters on your roster that aren't meta or boosted if you want more of a challenge from the game.TheEyeDoctorsWife said:I recall playing one week recently ( anniversary week?) where all my metas were 550 like whales have every day . It was my worst gaming week here in 3 years . Boring , monotonous victories over all teams in 3 to 6 moves . Play time cut by over 50%. Why would you spend 8 years in something with zero challenge or thought needed to succeed ? To me that game would be a living hell.On a different topic of Ultron, I’m finding the Valtronaris ( can I coin that ?) team can stun lock usually in 4 moves . ( Unless I ever saw a Surfer some day ).
If you want good rewards for placement in PVP and PVE, you have to use meta teams. They are faster and more efficient than non meta teams. Hence being Meta.
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Back on topic. Knul is very fun when boosted. Now have an excuse to use my kitty.
Hela... haven't even tried when boosted. iirc the green or red don't scale well?0 -
Knull + Apocalypse +4 yellow/red/black ap boost is the winner for this boost week.0
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Hela's passive tile strengthening is what you want her for. The green is okay, the black can be brutal depending on how many blues are in play. at 5 covers, boosted, mine is strengthening ALL friendly specials on the board by 851 each whenever you down an enemy, so you want a high volume of them in play when you drop somebody if possible.Srheer0 said:
I disagree.shardwick said:
I mean nobody is forcing you to use meta characters. Use more characters on your roster that aren't meta or boosted if you want more of a challenge from the game.TheEyeDoctorsWife said:I recall playing one week recently ( anniversary week?) where all my metas were 550 like whales have every day . It was my worst gaming week here in 3 years . Boring , monotonous victories over all teams in 3 to 6 moves . Play time cut by over 50%. Why would you spend 8 years in something with zero challenge or thought needed to succeed ? To me that game would be a living hell.On a different topic of Ultron, I’m finding the Valtronaris ( can I coin that ?) team can stun lock usually in 4 moves . ( Unless I ever saw a Surfer some day ).
If you want good rewards for placement in PVP and PVE, you have to use meta teams. They are faster and more efficient than non meta teams. Hence being Meta.
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Back on topic. Knul is very fun when boosted. Now have an excuse to use my kitty.
Hela... haven't even tried when boosted. iirc the green or red don't scale well?0 -
Dude (dudette?), read my entire posts. The answers you seek are all there. I’m talking about this notion that swaps were only meant for the whales or people who spend X amount. Or that it is there only to incentive super heavy spending. Or that that it’s some special “white glove service”. That’s the premise you were operating from. We then have a post with someone from the company who basically explained the why, who, what, of cover swaps and that’s still not good enough (there’s a lot going on in that thread, why is it only LL that get swaps, old school whales used to think…). It seems everyone can see this but you. Every time I ask you for proof that this was a policy only for whales to incentivize them dropping 10s of thousands, you have never provided me anything. You say, “well if that isn’t the case then why…”. I feel I’ve answered every question you’ve posited to the best of my ability (I don’t know the EXACT why they do anything but at least tried to posit reasonable explanations as to why given actual sourced communication we’ve received). But I still haven’t received anything from you answering the very simple question i posit time and again. It feels like no matter how many people post facts counter to your beliefs, you will continue to create a narrative that supports your position. Knowing that, I’m going to no longer feed it and get back on topic (sorry to everyone for enabling this and allowing it to go so far off the rails).entrailbucket said:
Conspiracy theories and unfounded accusations? What are we even talking about here? What exactly do you think I'm accusing someone of? What is the conspiracy?Daredevil217 said:
I didn’t mean you specifically (though I find it odd you wouldn’t want any cover of your choosing). Like I said, anytime ANYONE is in a special store, that ANYONE has completed, that’s a ticket. Versus one ticket for a customer every two years when they unload a hoard- which seems much more reasonable to manage. Idk what the whale community assumed but they were clearly wrong as the service still exists today for anyone who wants it and many have taken advantage with excellent characters in LLs. As Hound says, and I totally forgot this, it was a temporary goodwill thing done by CS. So of course they wouldn’t post the “policy” as it wasn’t a black and white policy.entrailbucket said:
You're assuming I'd do that. I wouldn't. I don't pull on those stores and I wouldn't even if they gave cover swaps. They're a bad deal. But besides that, how many other 550 OMLs do you think are out there? I know of about 2 or 3 among active players. That's significantly less than the number of swap tickets they had to handle during the SW/Colossus latest 3.Daredevil217 said:I’m not going to pretend to know their reasoning but my guess (since it was stated in the Brigby quote I posted) was to cut down on all the support tickets they’d get. Everytime a OML store pops up that’s a free cover for whoever you want and another ticket submitted. Since I’m sure every character is close to a 550 by someone that’s a lot of tickets to submit. They had to draw the line somewhere for the good of their team but didn’t want to take everything away from the player at the same time. Felt like a good middle ground to me honestly. You disagree?
What I know about this is that at some point well before 2018, a player with a 550 character could convert covers of that character to any other character of their choice.
One day they stopped doing those, and told players who requested it that they'd only do exchanges according to the policy posted in that thread (latest 3 only). This was done during a particularly bad latest 3 that very few people wanted to buy. The whale community's assumption at that time was that they were being forced to buy bad characters. (Many of them did anyway, though)
That change wasn't posted or announced anywhere that I know of. In fact, if you read that thread, the latest 3 policy significantly predates it. Where was the announcement of that policy?
This is more or less what I was saying too. But any actual evidence posted seems to be dismissed in favor of these conspiracy theories that I’ve yet to see any evidence of actually being true.Bad said:
That was a good search!ThaRoadWarrior said:
Now we have in there acknowledgement, reasons, and how it will work on future.
I'd rather believe that, and the goodwill of CS, than other rumours talking about spenders hoarders and white glove service.
I think CS doesn't deserve all that bad publicy, don't help to spread those kinds of rumours.Bottom line is X used to spend to get a service. Y found a way to qualify for said service without spending. EB thinks that means the service used to ONLY be for spenders and other people are “taking advantage” (steakhouse analogy), but none of that has been proven true. If they wanted to shut down swaps completely, they could have done so during the introduction of the saved cover era as they were changing up how they do things left and right. They chose to keep the service. Probably because like I said, it’s so rare when someone busts a LL hoard that they can deal with the once every two years ticket. Or, we can continue to create these unfounded accusations.Hela and Knull have been my combo of choice this week as well. Heimdall is great, but I think he’d be better served supporting a glass cannon 5* or high cost nuker where he can tank/heal for them, fuel them, and lower their costs (someone better than Widow who is a kick me sign). He doesn’t really have “that partner” boosted with him this week. Hela and Knull have really good synergy despite both doing low damage. They do small tics of damage that ramp up over time as they populate the board with specials. I expect Hela to be even better this PVP (haven’t started it yet) as low covered Doc Ock’s will get murdered quick thus procing her one time buff to all specials.2 -
I'd let this drop too, but I still have the sense that we've just been talking past each other this whole time. I was talking about the origins of this and you're taking about what's happening now.
The historical origins or initial goals are completely irrelevant to what's happening today -- I think that 6 years ago or whatever, they did this to reward spenders. That's ancient history. It's interesting in the way that the rest of the game's history is, but that's all.
The policy is still on the books, and it's rewarded tons of non-spenders since then, so if it was meant to reward whales 6 years ago, that is obviously no longer the case.
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Shuri is also boosted this week, I recommend giving her a shot with Heimdall in pick 2. Use her red first, maybe always, because boosted her fort matching damage is quite high.
Odin was nearly the other have of whatever Heimdall is doing, but his fort spam mechanism isn’t on purpose enough and doesn’t work beyond the first hit he takes on a jump in front.0 -
The fact that the three of them overlap so much is what kills them most for me. I will say (to go off topic but in a different direction), I used Odin unboosted in shield sim with Wanda/Colossus and imagine it can be pretty annoying to face. Even though Odin only tanks red for me, he was still able to put fortified tiles down most matches. Having to chew through his health with the Wanda/Colossus damage nullifies had to be annoying, especially once he starts healing. And you can’t take out his protectors lest he keep jumping in front. I had plenty of defensive losses so it was far from a free shield, but I think I may have rated him too low (I think he just isn’t fun to play on offense, but his defense really is top notch if you have two other threats).ThaRoadWarrior said:Shuri is also boosted this week, I recommend giving her a shot with Heimdall in pick 2. Use her red first, maybe always, because boosted her fort matching damage is quite high.
Odin was nearly the other have of whatever Heimdall is doing, but his fort spam mechanism isn’t on purpose enough and doesn’t work beyond the first hit he takes on a jump in front.
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Historically 5*s started as a pay to get them. Obviously nobody could hoard nothing when they started the release, and now it's possible. I don't see nothing odd here. CS hasn't neglected his service before or now.entrailbucket said:
The policy is still on the books, and it's rewarded tons of non-spenders since then, so if it was meant to reward whales 6 years ago, that is obviously no longer the case.
I think this discussion was interesting because it was revealed what devs or CS did and why, although it's a position surely I won't never be as I still need to champ all the classics 5*s.
Only in the case I'd get in the future 0/0/22 covers then I will contact CS. It's a possibility it could happen.
Between rumours from players and devs announcements, I choose the latest.0 -
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Other players specifically don't use meta characters and they grind out 50-75 wins every event so what's stopping you from doing the same?TheEyeDoctorsWife said:
Yes because in an entire year of 5* tier PvP NOT ONCE did I ever face a team without at least 1 meta character. (average 2.2 metas per opponent). It’s a shame every other player hasn’t had this idea . Or maybe I’m just the only player that enjoys challenges.shardwick said:
I mean nobody is forcing you to use meta characters. Use more characters on your roster that aren't meta or boosted if you want more of a challenge from the game.TheEyeDoctorsWife said:I recall playing one week recently ( anniversary week?) where all my metas were 550 like whales have every day . It was my worst gaming week here in 3 years . Boring , monotonous victories over all teams in 3 to 6 moves . Play time cut by over 50%. Why would you spend 8 years in something with zero challenge or thought needed to succeed ? To me that game would be a living hell.On a different topic of Ultron, I’m finding the Valtronaris ( can I coin that ?) team can stun lock usually in 4 moves . ( Unless I ever saw a Surfer some day ).0 -
I thought this player's brand was ONLY having a small roster of "good" characters and not rostering bad ones at all? Has that changed?1
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This boost week is awful.
I only play Knull and Heimdall because of their rainbow colors and big health pools. No other synergy there.
Why is there so much discussion going on about 550 cover swaps?
Who needs those? When I play SCL10 I always earn at least 1,500 shards.
Always apply them AFTER pulling for a character when he's about to leave Latest!
Or if you want pull right away when he enters stop at 550 and wait a few weeks for the shards coming in.
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Because it’s more interesting than this boost list I guess?Ares76 said:
Why is there so much discussion going on about 550 cover swaps?0 -
Never saw one EVER.shardwick said:.
Other players specifically don't use meta characters and they grind out 50-75 wins every event so what's stopping you from doing the same?TheEyeDoctorsWife said:
Yes because in an entire year of 5* tier PvP NOT ONCE did I ever face a team without at least 1 meta character. (average 2.2 metas per opponent). It’s a shame every other player hasn’t had this idea . Or maybe I’m just the only player that enjoys challenges.shardwick said:
I mean nobody is forcing you to use meta characters. Use more characters on your roster that aren't meta or boosted if you want more of a challenge from the game.TheEyeDoctorsWife said:I recall playing one week recently ( anniversary week?) where all my metas were 550 like whales have every day . It was my worst gaming week here in 3 years . Boring , monotonous victories over all teams in 3 to 6 moves . Play time cut by over 50%. Why would you spend 8 years in something with zero challenge or thought needed to succeed ? To me that game would be a living hell.On a different topic of Ultron, I’m finding the Valtronaris ( can I coin that ?) team can stun lock usually in 4 moves . ( Unless I ever saw a Surfer some day ).0 -
@Mr_F plays like that and openly encourages others to do the same. So if you want more of a challenge then only use non-meta characters.TheEyeDoctorsWife said:
Never saw one EVER.shardwick said:.
Other players specifically don't use meta characters and they grind out 50-75 wins every event so what's stopping you from doing the same?TheEyeDoctorsWife said:
Yes because in an entire year of 5* tier PvP NOT ONCE did I ever face a team without at least 1 meta character. (average 2.2 metas per opponent). It’s a shame every other player hasn’t had this idea . Or maybe I’m just the only player that enjoys challenges.shardwick said:
I mean nobody is forcing you to use meta characters. Use more characters on your roster that aren't meta or boosted if you want more of a challenge from the game.TheEyeDoctorsWife said:I recall playing one week recently ( anniversary week?) where all my metas were 550 like whales have every day . It was my worst gaming week here in 3 years . Boring , monotonous victories over all teams in 3 to 6 moves . Play time cut by over 50%. Why would you spend 8 years in something with zero challenge or thought needed to succeed ? To me that game would be a living hell.On a different topic of Ultron, I’m finding the Valtronaris ( can I coin that ?) team can stun lock usually in 4 moves . ( Unless I ever saw a Surfer some day ).0 -
ThaRoadWarrior said:
Hela's passive tile strengthening is what you want her for. The green is okay, the black can be brutal depending on how many blues are in play. at 5 covers, boosted, mine is strengthening ALL friendly specials on the board by 851 each whenever you down an enemy, so you want a high volume of them in play when you drop somebody if possible.Srheer0 said:
I disagree.shardwick said:
I mean nobody is forcing you to use meta characters. Use more characters on your roster that aren't meta or boosted if you want more of a challenge from the game.TheEyeDoctorsWife said:I recall playing one week recently ( anniversary week?) where all my metas were 550 like whales have every day . It was my worst gaming week here in 3 years . Boring , monotonous victories over all teams in 3 to 6 moves . Play time cut by over 50%. Why would you spend 8 years in something with zero challenge or thought needed to succeed ? To me that game would be a living hell.On a different topic of Ultron, I’m finding the Valtronaris ( can I coin that ?) team can stun lock usually in 4 moves . ( Unless I ever saw a Surfer some day ).
If you want good rewards for placement in PVP and PVE, you have to use meta teams. They are faster and more efficient than non meta teams. Hence being Meta.
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Back on topic. Knul is very fun when boosted. Now have an excuse to use my kitty.
Hela... haven't even tried when boosted. iirc the green or red don't scale well?
Thank you for the insight. The boost does sound good when you put it like that, i'm just not a fan of situational boosts where the cause is enemy death. It seems better in a wave node than in a round of pvp.0
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