Lockjaw Character Update (Live 12/16/21)

DAZ0273

I still think Black Bolt's damage is too weak.

DAZ0273

dianetics said:

Punisher is my favorite marvel hero. I have the first 20 issues of his first run and his first appearance in spidey.

I used 3* a lot to punch up against 4*s

Punisher 4* is just too slow in the 4* tier now. He actually more suited to being last alive and or having his teammates disabled.

While is was still in 4* range I rarely came across jubilee, prowler, talks, and mysterio.

not sure if it’s still the same though

Yeah the drawbacks on his powers was mentioned as a possible reason why. I do wonder if there are a number of decent 4's who just get no play apart from the terrible ones we all know about. During the Defenders PvP where there was some mixing of 4 & 5's I expected to see Luke Cage but he was nowhere in sight whereas Danny popped up occassionally in my MMR.

ThaRoadWarrior

Hobofist is good actually, he just has that laughable Finn Jones art on him is all. 

Surely Talos is the least used 4* though? Though I would say Spider-Ham is possibly the worst designed 4*

Borstock

dianetics said:

Punisher is my favorite marvel hero. I have the first 20 issues of his first run and his first appearance in spidey.

I used 3* a lot to punch up against 4*s

Punisher 4* is just too slow in the 4* tier now. He actually more suited to being last alive and or having his teammates disabled.

4* Punisher is kind've like Kate Bishop and the 5* Natasha. He has a solid design, doing dmg from all three of his colors, but the game just isn't built for that kind of kit. If they reworked him, they'd probably have to drop the cost on his black and green, but then also lower the damage output so he isn't overpowered when paired with someone who boosts his numbers. 

He looks cool, though. I'll give them that.

ThaRoadWarrior

He's one of a very few characters who can trigger 5* Panther's move and be moved, and one of a smaller number who can do it on demand actively. I think just he and Agent Venom, maybe Invisible Woman?

MegaBee

ThaRoadWarrior said:

He's one of a very few characters who can trigger 5* Panther's move and be moved, and one of a smaller number who can do it on demand actively. I think just he and Agent Venom, maybe Invisible Woman?

3* and 5* Hawkeye can both do it once with their blue.

Tony_Foot

Really this is the one they chose to buff. What an odd decision. Not that is makes any odds to me as I don’t use four stars and I get the majority of players are probably 4 star players but it’s still an odd choice. 

Not a particularly popular character and not altogether pony like so many others. I’m sure there at least 30 better candidates but again by choice I only use a handful of fours by choice once per month and they would be

Grocket, xpool, Polaris, morbious  and in the last week Chavez and Karnak! The rest can go for all I care 

mdreyer93

I'm here for it. Keep 'em up!

MoosePrime

ThaRoadWarrior said:

He's one of a very few characters who can trigger 5* Panther's move and be moved, and one of a smaller number who can do it on demand actively. I think just he and Agent Venom, maybe Invisible Woman?

If it still triggers when returning from airborne, Gwenpool, 5* Captain Marvel, and 3* Colossus can do it, too.

Srheer0

@IceIX

Thank you for this surprise buff to Lockjaw.

Are there any plans to modify (buff) the not commonly used 5stars? things like Captain America (first one), Ironman, Rescue etc?

Would you like fans to submit ideas to make the process quicker?

MegaBee

MoosePrime said:

ThaRoadWarrior said:

He's one of a very few characters who can trigger 5* Panther's move and be moved, and one of a smaller number who can do it on demand actively. I think just he and Agent Venom, maybe Invisible Woman?

If it still triggers when returning from airborne, Gwenpool, 5* Captain Marvel, and 3* Colossus can do it, too.

Stun and invisible only IIRC.

ThaRoadWarrior

I’m pretty sure airborne was not intentional, and was fixed at some point, but I haven’t tested it to be sure.

Glockoma

Overall, I’ll take buffs. Several obvious things:

1) Many young players out there developing rosters

2) It wasn’t directed to vets by buffing 5’s

3) Probably not a shift in the meta though I liked @entrailbucket ’s idea with Polaris, good idea.


But I love getting buffs to dated characters. Many great points thrown out by old and new forumites. I’ll throw the devs a few bucks there way if they sustain a schedule of buffs that can keep up with the pace of new releases.

Happy Holidays 

KGB

Glockoma said:

Overall, I’ll take buffs. Several obvious things:

1) Many young players out there developing rosters

The problem is that young rosters have ZERO ways of obtaining Lockjaw covers other than making him a favorite. He appears less than 1 time a year in PvE or PvE because of the 115+ dilution in 4* land. So buffing him technically *only* helps veteran rosters and those players already have all the meta characters at much higher levels than him or they are already in 5* land and he's useless to them.

The problem with doing buffs 1 character at a time and at random intervals (ie whenever they feel like it) is that 99% of the time it's going to be wasted effort.  They should be making a huge effort to buff new characters on release who are recognized as DOA (ie Ultron, SighCyclops and some of the lesser 4* like Echo) so that they are no worse than average so they can be used when boosted and so young rosters don't end up with DOA characters.

Then once or twice a year do a batch of older characters at once. Say half dozen of the worst 4s and half dozen of the worst 5's. Bring them up also so they are no worse than average. This would be for the vet rosters.

KGB

ThaRoadWarrior

Buffing him helps the AI in PVE. Kamala Khan gives out some shards if anyone really wants to chase him.

Glockoma

KGB said:

Glockoma said:

Overall, I’ll take buffs. Several obvious things:

1) Many young players out there developing rosters

The problem is that young rosters have ZERO ways of obtaining Lockjaw covers other than making him a favorite. He appears less than 1 time a year in PvE or PvE because of the 115+ dilution in 4* land. So buffing him technically *only* helps veteran rosters and those players already have all the meta characters at much higher levels than him or they are already in 5* land and he's useless to them.

The problem with doing buffs 1 character at a time and at random intervals (ie whenever they feel like it) is that 99% of the time it's going to be wasted effort.  They should be making a huge effort to buff new characters on release who are recognized as DOA (ie Ultron, SighCyclops and some of the lesser 4* like Echo) so that they are no worse than average so they can be used when boosted and so young rosters don't end up with DOA characters.

Then once or twice a year do a batch of older characters at once. Say half dozen of the worst 4s and half dozen of the worst 5's. Bring them up also so they are no worse than average. This would be for the vet rosters.

KGB

Yeah I like that.

Dilution is unavoidable as the game has been played over the 8 or 9 years I have played, no doubt. 

I’m still happy with buffs, even though as I alluded to, I’ll receive no direct benefit.

Glockoma

ThaRoadWarrior said:

Buffing him helps the AI in PVE. Kamala Khan gives out some shards if anyone really wants to chase him.

Chasing tiers other than 5’s has become exceedingly easier. I forget when my last break was from the game, (after shards sometime when I became iso-neutral. Came back and realized how many plethoras of shards/covers I received with casual play.

*This is of course a biased perception given my roster depth and ability to climb/place if need be.*

Bad

Imo buffs are very positive. 
This character only got increased damage, and 1AP reduction, so it would be easy to continue with the buffs. Keep it on!
Lockjaw appears on the royal family node and on a required 3* on simulator pve, with polaris and blade. In here he is a lot more dangerous. I'm fine with that.
4* punisher was rebalanced already like 2 years ago on a very irrelevant change, if my memory doesn't fails.
The list of old 4*s having really expensive powers is quite populated, and any buff is welcomed. 

JHawkInc

You know what?

It's really hard to think of this as something other than a waste of developer effort. This just isn't a character that needed a rebalance. And I can't be one of those people that is glad to see any rebalance because they're better than no rebalances. Because if you didn't announce it, people wouldn't even know, because that's how little impact it will have on the game as a whole. Players can't easily chase this character, and Lockjaw's presence in story events will be the only real indicator of any change at all. This isn't a character we'll think of as "pre-buff" and "post-buff" because the change just won't matter that much. Even characters like Carnage and Mr Fantastic get better than that. These "blink and you'll miss it" buffs feel like lame attempts to placate us while avoiding actually fixing the characters that have been broken for *years*, and I'm just kinda tired of it.

I don't want to be a debbie downer, but this isn't even worth that weird kind of "at least the house being on fire will keep us warm!" positivity. Better luck on the next one, I guess.

entrailbucket

I think people are glad to see any rebalance because they hope that rebalances will continue. 

If they're going to do stuff like this one, it would make more sense to do a whole bunch of them at once.  Just take all the least used 4* and give them a 25% (or whatever) number buff across the board, then drop all AP cost by 1.


For me, the game is most fun when it's unpredictable, so I'd prefer something like a +25% buff to the bottom 5 and a -25% nerf to the top 5 every month until every character gets used equally. 

Mostly I just want frequent batches of small balance changes to tons of characters.  Change then assess then adjust as needed.