_Vitto said: Today, I had the chance to top some known player in my PvE bracket, and to win the event.Said player, in the past couple weeks and together with some other known players, exploited a hack that allowed them to gain roughly 60-70 starks buys per day, for free. D3 was informed, devs were informed.As far as I know, only a couple (fake) accounts were boxed, while the rewards the other players gained still remain.Said player kindly pm'd to congratulate himself with me for winning the event, so I answered accordingly. Of course, the player id won't be shared.My intent is to show the community why this game has become toxic, and how poorly hackers get caught.https://ibb.co/Pr6c0Pmhttps://ibb.co/191W6kT
HoundofShadow said: The dev's way, is, as you can see, stated above. They are studying how the cheating happens and the mechanics involved before shutting them down. Such method is considered "poor" by the players affected.Perspective. Perspective.
Sekilicious said: I remember when I started playing there was an ongoing thread about how people found a way for speed play, effectively reducing the time the AI used to make its turn. All the complaints were of the developers sitting on their hands while this went on. Then a new UI was released and the complaints shifted to how terrible that was, but it fixed the speed hack. So yeah, cheating is an ongoing problem, the developers are working to fix it but do not give us play-by-plays on how they are approaching the problem. So report the player to CS and they will likely be sandboxed at a future date. And maybe stop assuming that because you don’t know what people are doing it isn’t because they are corrupt or incompetent.
If fake accounts were boxed, does it matter if the CPs still remain and they will eventually be banned? Also, based on the conversations, it seems like you guys knew each other for a while.
_Vitto said:What is ridiculous to me is the fact that you are focusing on me now, when some player, accused of hacking, replied saying "Hehe, my bad".
HoundofShadow said: The main point is, you and the dev has different ways of handling cheating.You think that, with screenshot, conversation etc, it's sufficient to get someone banned for cheating quickly or immediately.
HoundofShadow said:I don't condone hacking and I understand that it's infuriating that someone hasn't gotten the punishment they deserve and they are taunting and laughing in your face. Unfortunately, it's going to take them some time for them to do the right thing.
Bad said: _Vitto said:What is ridiculous to me is the fact that you are focusing on me now, when some player, accused of hacking, replied saying "Hehe, my bad". It's not ridiculous. It's simply a matter of the word of one vs the other's word. The guy can reply whatever he wants, as later he could say he was just joking.Any proof you can provide against other players can be manipulated so contact support will start the investigation on his own ways and possibly not really taking your proof as the golden truth evidence. If you say how it can be replicated(possibly they already know it), then the first step is sandboxing you.Even if you make a video screen and show how you were gaining cps illegally because of hacker players, the first step will be sandboxing you as you provided a good proof against you.Big companies have great detecting resources for to seal off the app, but each game can be different.
JackDeath666 said: Well said @_Vitto This scam is a total disgrace and undermines the entire game. Devs failure to roll back illicitly earned CP is a total let down. Many people are aware of the players involved. @HoundofShadow @Sekilicious @Bad Please can you refrain from distracting from the issue being raised here? It's not about how screenshots can be doctored; it's about how rampant cheating is happening and nothing is being done.
HoundofShadow said: Here's an article about cheating in other games:https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/6/21246229/pc-gaming-cheating-aimbots-wallhacks-hacking-tools-developer-response-problemMicrosoft plans to prevent games cheating on pc and this is what they said:Due to the open nature of the PC platform, cheating in PC games is a complex and varied challenge. The PC ecosystem consists of several layers, such as hardware, the operating system, 1st and 3rd party software, services and more. The Security Engineer in LINE also documented cheating in LINE Games, and it's virtually impossible to prevent from cheating.Why cheating will never end:Eventually we realized that cheating itself was a goal for some users and they were going to return no matter how many of their accounts we banned,” says John McDonald, senior software engineer at Valve, in a statement to The Verge.So, it's not a problem unique to MPQ. At best, they can only hardened their system until players find new ways to exploit the system again.So, accusing dev of doing nothing about cheating is a terrible lie.
HoundofShadow said: Looking at things objectively, Beyond a reasonable doubt is the legal burden of proof required to affirm a conviction in a criminal case. In a criminal case, the prosecution bears the burden of proving that the defendant is guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. This means that the prosecution must convince the jury that there is no other reasonable explanation that can come from the evidence presented at trial. In the case of speed hack, evidences such as screenshots, IGNs, conversation, and method of hacking are not sufficient to 100% prove that the accused is indeed hacking. The reasons are simple.1) conversations can be doctored. Screenshots, depending on the content, could be doctored as well.2) Being able to replicate speed hack and showing to CS doesn't prove 100% that the accused is hacking. It merely proved that you are hacking and you admitted that you are hacking.However, the dev can investigate what you have provided and what appeared in their system to determine the next step of action. If fake accounts were boxed, does it matter if the CPs still remain and they will eventually be banned? Also, based on the conversations, it seems like you guys knew each other for a while.