Make an argument when to pull if you want Shang-Chi

Bad

The reasoning you made is similar to mine when I pulled for electro, odin and SC.
It's just that I like her and I didn't wanted to miss her.
I didn't know gamora was next, and it seems many players are buying that she prevents damage reduction, I have some doubts.
Gamora black needs the foe firing a power, and look we now have lil ol' odin who is always wanting a nuke in the face.
As a sidenote, odin is a good pal for characters such as gamora, sinister, killmonger(not the most effective meta some of them but ey! It's funny).
Electro is really funny too playing with onslaught. Trying to lower down her bolts cds, or to predict where they can appear is top A on funny schemes.
Electro plus wanda vs a hulkoye team they usually take 1/1/almost 200 damage. Okoye needs to gather a lot of TU for to do something. 
About odin, I saw him often in the pick 3 pvp class 2021. Who knows how many times he will show in future pick 3 pvp?
Also if SC dies the battle ends. Odin is kind of a guarantee that odin's sacrifice will leave a SC well served on AP and combos for to take a bloody revenge.
My final reasoning was: if everything else fails apart I will still have time for to champ the next character after ultron.
Last thing electro lovers wannabe: she only has this week left, possibly some hours.

HoundofShadow

For 4* players, make sure you pull at least Electro yellow power. If you hate dealing with Juggernaut, she's a godsend. Just think of what you can do with all those yellow aps.

Sekilicious

I was thinking that I would wait until Shang-Chi is ready to rotate and pull as much as I can then. Perhaps. Depending on my hoard. Everyone seems down on Ultron but for a 4* player he isn’t terrible, though perhaps no great. He would do well with Kitty and Polaris. Sadly, none of the 5*s offered really play well with Shang-Chi. Too bad Sighclops wasn’t one of the offers. Then it would be a no brainer.

Jimsta_rooney

I pulled for electro odin and shang chi
Electro is decent
Odin is a solid pick with colossus and 5witch and it's honestly hard to lose with that team. 
Shang chi is... 
Ultron is a decent pick with britty I can't see a use for him out side that. 
Gamora it's too soon to tell

Warbringa

As of right now, I think Electro is the best of the Odin, Ultron, Gamora bunch as an all around character.  While I think Gamora is a nice pick 3 due to her yellow, are you really going to sub her in on a pick 2 team over your other choices?  Probably not as she is too squishy.  Let's face it, Okoye and Apocalypse have the same color scheme and are just way better.  The same can be said for all of these characters but I feel at least at this point in the game, Electro does enough interesting things, with a rarer color scheme that will most likely be more useful compared to Gamora, especially when the next great 5* AOE toon shows up. Odin some day may be good, of course the same was said of 5* Magneto.  Ultron is bad in my opinion if you already have an established 5* roster. He may be ok if you are just getting into 5* and missed the other earlier 5* that do what he does, just much better.

I pulled a moderate portion of my hoard to get enough Electro covers that I can work to finish her off over time, while shooting for more SC covers.  I may still pull some more but I really don't want Ultron or Odin covers much so with SC being stuck in the middle I haven't made up my mind if I pull for a few more Electros or just wait and go for Gamora when Odin rotates out.  I am leaning towards pulling more now since I have more Odin covers, I can basically skip Ultron and I am already closer to covering Odin compared to Ultron. 

Will Electro show up again in PvE rewards and HfH before she rotates out?  I am fine on her yellow and black covers but really need her green cover.

LavaManLee

Warbringa said:

Will Electro show up again in PvE rewards before she rotates out?

I don't think so.  Pretty sure she is rotating out tomorrow.  SC went into LLs on Sep 20.  If the four week pattern holds, Electro should be out tomorrow (or slightly before/after).  We will then have Odin/SC/Ultron for next four weeks.

VizMantis

Bad said:

Also if SC dies the battle ends. Odin is kind of a guarantee that odin's sacrifice will leave a SC well served on AP and combos for to take a bloody revenge.

This seems like a really good point.  Shang Chi is a glass cannon who also increases his chance to be in front as his damage multiplier increases, so its hard to just hide him in the back.  Having Odin with his “jump in front” mechanic actually seems like it might be really valuable.

dianetics

He can go infinite fairly easy with the right team though. So it doesn’t matter as much with other glass cannons.

VizMantis

dianetics said:

He can go infinite fairly easy with the right team though. So it doesn’t matter as much with other glass cannons.

Yeah, I was thinking more as insurance until you get to that infinite point.  I can imagine a baby champ Shang getting chewed up in an SCL10 challenge node before you can get the engine going without some protection?  But maybe a partner who speeds up him getting to infinite would be the better choice anyhow.

Jimsta_rooney

A baby champ is still very powerful, certainly powerful enough for scl10 challenge nodes. 
But yes his health is a big factor although it's a lot easier than u think in the right team and timed right he heals it back. 
To put how powerful he is into perspective:
He will tank colossus blue on 2 combo points and tanks Over everyone by 4. 

entrailbucket

In my experience so far, it's better to run him with two partners that help the combo go infinite, rather than a defensive partner.  You just need to keep him alive until the infinite combo starts, and he'll heal back to full anyway.  You want board manipulation, on colors that aren't purple or red, so your combo doesn't stall out after you start.

Managing his match damage and tanking is part of the skill/strategy required when using him.  You need to think ahead about what the enemy might be doing soon and strategically choose to break his combo, if necessary, to put someone else in front.


This is all part of why Shang-Chi is not for everyone.  There are a lot of somewhat complicated decisions you have to make when you're using him...more so than any other character in the game right now.

Polares

I am also in the exact same boat, but even though I like Electro quite a bit, I already decided when I saw Odin I was going to wait for whoever came next. Now, did I make a mistake? Maybe :P

Electro is quite a decent 5, but as I already have SW I think Gamora’s yellow is the deciding factor for me. I hope Devs tweak their black to make it a bit better/less hard to trigger but we will see.


In the end it is just painful and a bit lame that to get Shang Chi we need to get this pretty bad characters like Ultron or Odin, and we need to decide what is less bad instead of just getting cool chars that excite us and makes us want to play the game

TheEyeDoctorsWife

entrailbucket said:

In my experience so far, it's better to run him with two partners that help the combo go infinite, rather than a defensive partner.  You just need to keep him alive until the infinite combo starts, and he'll heal back to full anyway.  You want board manipulation, on colors that aren't purple or red, so your combo doesn't stall out after you start.

Managing his match damage and tanking is part of the skill/strategy required when using him.  You need to think ahead about what the enemy might be doing soon and strategically choose to break his combo, if necessary, to put someone else in front.


This is all part of why Shang-Chi is not for everyone.  There are a lot of somewhat complicated decisions you have to make when you're using him...more so than any other character in the game right now.

I agree , and as someone else stated , active powers are dead , Everyone plays passives because they require zero thinking . Possibly I’m wrong but I don’t see the player base going back to a character that requires thinking . I’m sure naturally there will be a few exceptions but most will avoid him due to the extra time and lack of battle speed when character strategy is required . I’m also worried the deep thinking required to use him at his best may cause migraines in a small percentage of the player base who will come here to demand a nerf. 

VizMantis

Captain_Trips88 said:

I really don't think it matters who you get with him, if your goal is to use him a lot then there are better partners for him than any of these 4 so it becomes immaterial. Just start pulling for him and enjoy his unique play style. 

I think in the end this is pretty much how I’ll make my decision.  None of these characters are likely to enter into my regular rotation, so I may as well start enjoying Shang Chi sooner rather than later.  My only fear is they end up tweaking Gamora’s black into a really good power.  I wish I could see the final design before I pull, but seems like that may not be known until after electro is gone.

Srheer0

Shang chi is great and has potentially more pairings than Odin, Gam5ra, Electro and Ultron.  

Shang chi needs pink and red ap and matches, and crit tiles help him too. I took apart a few BRB polaris and Kitty teams when they had 10-16k+ worth of protect ties on the board. His dmg is nuts. Especially when you get over 5 combo points and have support for him. 

Rescue, Wanda, Ironmanhulkbuster, Riri all provide things that Shangchi likes 

Electro I champed and haven't even used her yet.
Gam5ra I have yet to test. But the yellow and black look very interesting.  
Odin is 1 5 3ish for me. Heimdall has like 2 covers so haven't had any fun with Odin yet. But I do like jump infront mechanics.  
Ultron could work well because there are alot of special tile users in 5star tier. But his red doesn't deal much dmg compared to say Apocs red or even Cycl5ps red.  

Speaking of stuns in 5star tier, 

We have cycl5ps green, Thanos on kills, Archangel on enemy airbournes, Black widow on ally stuns, spidermanpeterparker on something?, Daredevil stuns?, Cable stuns? Gam5ra is the only yellow stun I can think of albeit randomly. 


To answer your first question, pull for shangchi as he may help you in pve someday. Odin will likely not be much use in pve.

helix72

I found Odin not only largely useless in PvE, but actually harmful: running him with 1/2 Thor he kept healing Thor to where the AP generation stopped.

PvP, on the other hand, a very different story. When he was boosted, I noted teams with Odin got hit less and/or took longer to beat, and in general used fewer health packs.

Electro I found underwhelming in both PvP and PvE. Not harmful, but not scary defensively, and not particularly powerful offensively. But she wasn’t harmful. And it was fun running her with boosted Beta Ray Bill and Polaris. Her black hits hard but I’m running her with Apocalypse and his hits harder. 

For a mature 5* roster, the only time you might “suffer” from lack of either is Odin when he’s boosted in PvP. However, if you don’t have 5* Wanda, Electro can fill a void that still needs filling from time to time, although a lot less than it used to.

Then there’s the art. Odin looks like a fat Santa Claus whereas Electro looks like an overly happy suburban mom who threw on some dish gloves and a Lycra suit for Halloween. Fat Santa gets my vote!

tonypq

helix72 said:

Then there’s the art. Odin looks like a fat Santa Claus whereas Electro looks like an overly happy suburban mom who threw on some dish gloves and a Lycra suit for Halloween. Fat Santa gets my vote!

Lol I totally agree, spot on with the artwork.