Hoard pull strategy

tonypq

Any of you have a strategy when opening up your hoards ?

I've hoarded about 4 or 5 times over last few years. Typically I'd get around 300 pulls and hit the LL store pulling until I champed the three 5s or ran out of tokens/CPs. My first hoard I remembered being lucky with RNG, the few after that my RNG was much worse. 

My latest hoard was when SW/Colossus/Knull were in LL. This time instead of pulling all at once, I pulled in portions over several periods of time. As I mentioned prior to this latest hoard RNG had been very bad for me over my previous few hoards and special stores recently. 

This time around I started pulling and RNG was terrible so I stopped. I did this one or two more times, pulled had bad RNG and stopped. Then the last attempt pulling right off the bat my RNG was amazing. I continued to keep pulling and not only champed all three 5s, but had bonus covers as well and didn't even have to touch my CPs at all, only had to use my LL tokens. 

We know RNG works itself out over time and larger sample size, but still tough to keep pulling when you've gotten only 4s for say 20+ pulls. Maybe after my last pull I'm feeling a bit superstitious since I only kept pulling once some positive RNG kicked in for me. But was curious if you guys pull all at once over several attempts like I did my last hoard. 

BriMan2222

My strategy is to hoard LL tokens and CP and use CP only for special stores. I spent a cp hoard of about 9k on the collossus, angel, apacalypse store and then unloaded about 400 LL tokens on collosus,wanda, knull.  I spent about 8k cp on the apocalypse, dp, kitty store.  Now I'm back to hoarding cp for another good store, probably anniversary store, and LL tokens until there is another good set of LL that I care to spend on.

ThaRoadWarrior

I don't "hoard" per se, just spend as I go until the next-out character is champed, at which point I stop until they drop out. If I champ the second or third character out early, I usually keep after it to try and prevent one of them dropping out unfinished. This last go around when I had the first two champed and was waiting, decided to just burn my CP in Classic while saving up my LTs. I had a pretty dismal pull rate over there across that time, but I did enjoy the 20% higher cover and shard earn rate as I try and finish up Sighclops who is my only unfed classic 5* right now.

Jimsta_rooney

I pulled in same store with exactly 300 pulls
First 30+pulls nothing
Got a bit panicky because I had never hoarded b4 but thought I'll see it through
Ended up with 465 colossus switch and knull champed a few covers each

Borstock

Trust the math. Wait for a store with AT LEAST two characters you know you will use.

And don't play MPQ when you've had too many adult beverages.

Astrolad

Jimsta_rooney said:

I pulled in same store with exactly 300 pulls
First 30+pulls nothing
Got a bit panicky because I had never hoarded b4 but thought I'll see it through
Ended up with 465 colossus switch and knull champed a few covers each

First time hoarding for me as well. I had about 200 pulls in the same store. 1 5* in the first 40 pulls. But the math works itself out.  Now have Switch champed, 13 covers for Knull and 12 for Colossus. 

Now saving up for the next go or store. 

Cannibalqueen

So I had always imagined when people hoarded, they meant a lot more pulls. Like they were going for 480-500 level champs when they unleashed.

But with 300-400 pull range only means at least on pure RNG, you’re going to hit around 452 - 457 leveled champs.  So still baby champed.  I think I am misunderstanding something.  Don’t you need a lot more pulls to make it worthwhile?

I mean I end up just pulling naturally and not skipping ones like Cyclops and Magneto with them all still around 450-453 usually.  And I am not competitive 5* player at all.

Edit:  looking at it now, it seems like you would something around 800 pulls to get all three champed to 475.  Which just seems like a good arbitrary divider between baby champ and the next level up,  

HoundofShadow

First step: take note of your CP and LT incomes. If you earn 3-4 LTs equivalent per day, you can hoard and pull for all three latest safely because you still need to factor in champ rewards from those 300 pulls. You need to track for two to three months to have a more accurate guide.

With your income known, you can make a choice whether to pull for special stores without worrying about having enough 300 pulls for latest.

ThaRoadWarrior

You’ll need 3.5/day in pure CP to do the special store; if you are factoring LTs into your earn rate you may be shorter than you think

Sekilicious

Good to know. I apparently am around 2.5/day (600cp and 16 LT in 16 days, small sample alert). I am being held back by iso debt and not being able to champ 4*s it would seem. 

HoundofShadow

Does 3.5 includes 5* shards from SCL 10?

ThaRoadWarrior

That’s been around my pull rate to stay current in Latest Legends by pulling as I go. It was working before shards, but that was also during the 4/4/5 release rate, so now I’m inclined to say that you should plan to factor in progression shards since we are in 4/5/4/5 release. I think there is typically 2.5 covers worth of progression shards, plus whatever you can get from placement which is not a guarantee so I don’t really plan for it.  I guess what I meant before is that if you expect to cover all three characters in a special store, you’re going to need 300+ pulls just in CP, whereas doing it in latest you can use a mix.

tonypq

Cannibalqueen said:

So I had always imagined when people hoarded, they meant a lot more pulls. Like they were going for 480-500 level champs when they unleashed.

But with 300-400 pull range only means at least on pure RNG, you’re going to hit around 452 - 457 leveled champs.  So still baby champed.  I think I am misunderstanding something.  Don’t you need a lot more pulls to make it worthwhile?

I mean I end up just pulling naturally and not skipping ones like Cyclops and Magneto with them all still around 450-453 usually.  And I am not competitive 5* player at all.

Edit:  looking at it now, it seems like you would something around 800 pulls to get all three champed to 475.  Which just seems like a good arbitrary divider between baby champ and the next level up,  

I can only hoard for so long before it burns a hole in my pocket and I have to pull heh. But yeah I could aim for more than 300 pulls at get the three 5s even higher level. I wish I'd done that when Apoc was around and SW/Colossus. Maybe I'll build more pulls for the next hoard I'm working on. 

Akoni

Most of my CP and LL tokens come from farming. I get a few rewards from PvP and PvE ranking, but I am not that competitive. I also do not wish to spend the necessary time to employ the strategies needed to rake in the rewards from PvP and PvE.

For this reason, my hoards are usually in the range of 900-1300 CP and 250-275 LL tokens. My last hoard break using both CP and tokens resulted in a 2/3/4 Colossus, 4/5/4 Knull, and a 3/9/4 Witch. As you can see, this was not an ideal situation so I'm betting that it will be awhile before we get another big 3 in LL. Until then, I will try to save the minimum desired 300+ LL tokens. 

Here's my dilemma. Since I rely heavily on farming AND am not very competitive, should I save my CP for specialty stores, or should I indulge in classic legend pulls? I've heard arguments for both, but haven't decided which strategy to use for my CP yet.

FYI, I use my 4s more than my 5s. I also tend to aim for top 100 in PvP (scl 10) and top 300 in PvE (scl 8).

entrailbucket

If you mostly use 4*, you don't really care about 5*, and you want to level up your 4* faster, you should *absolutely* be pulling classics, that's not even a question. 

That's an...uncommon goal/playstyle among players here, so most of the advice you'll get would be to not have that goal.  But if it's what you want and you're sure, the increase in 4* covers you'll get as a result of 20% more pulls will be significant.

Jimsta_rooney

Akoni said:

Most of my CP and LL tokens come from farming. I get a few rewards from PvP and PvE ranking, but I am not that competitive. I also do not wish to spend the necessary time to employ the strategies needed to rake in the rewards from PvP and PvE.

For this reason, my hoards are usually in the range of 900-1300 CP and 250-275 LL tokens. My last hoard break using both CP and tokens resulted in a 2/3/4 Colossus, 4/5/4 Knull, and a 3/9/4 Witch. As you can see, this was not an ideal situation so I'm betting that it will be awhile before we get another big 3 in LL. Until then, I will try to save the minimum desired 300+ LL tokens. 

Here's my dilemma. Since I rely heavily on farming AND am not very competitive, should I save my CP for specialty stores, or should I indulge in classic legend pulls? I've heard arguments for both, but haven't decided which strategy to use for my CP yet.

FYI, I use my 4s more than my 5s. I also tend to aim for top 100 in PvP (scl 10) and top 300 in PvE (scl 8).

If you can play in scl10 pve it's worth it for u even if u don't get all rewards.
Half a 5 star +any progression rewards give you 5 star shards. 

WampaX

Akoni said:

Here's my dilemma. Since I rely heavily on farming AND am not very competitive, should I save my CP for specialty stores, or should I indulge in classic legend pulls? I've heard arguments for both, but haven't decided which strategy to use for my CP yet.

FYI, I use my 4s more than my 5s. I also tend to aim for top 100 in PvP (scl 10) and top 300 in PvE (scl 8).

I have a similar play pattern to you. I have no champed 5*s (but could) and play both pve and pvp at SCL 10, but do not play for placement. I have never cracked a horde (ie draining all built up resources), but do pull toward a goal of making sure that the next to rotate latest 5* is fully covered before that happens. That usually involves opening 50-100 LLs when the newest 5* rotates in.

If you are also looking to cover classic 5*s, like myself, I've found that pulling from Classics is okay up to a point. Once I hit about having a 45% chance of having a dead draw (in terms of 5* covers), I curbed my Classic pulls to only once every 100 CP gain. The rest of the CP go toward new release stores (and sometimes special event stores)  New Release stores help tighten the drawn bands on the classic pulls AND will usually draw a handful of new 5* covers for around 30-40 pulls (or 750 - 1000 CP) If I have both of the classics covered, I will usually just pull until I get one new 5* cover and stop.

Finding a 4* team to get through SCL10 PVE is very helpful and would definitely recommend. Targetting 1 5* to help out on the top end nodes or the higher level choose 2 is not a bad idea, either. I started with iHulk/Vulture and just ground down the top level nodes until I had my BRB in a good place and now almost exclusively use hm and Polaris. He still isn't champed, but doesn't need to be to get me through progression.

Much to entrailbucket's bafflement, this play style has served me well for the year+ I've been running it. With the introduction of the 5* boosts, those fully covered classic 5*s have been more useful, but with no pattern emerging for which 5*s are being boosted week to week, I am still reticent to start sinking ISO into champing them yet. 

entrailbucket

I'm generally pretty baffled!

Codex

I can only tell you my experiences. I had a sub par rate ~13.5% over 1000 pulls. The rate caused me to double down and hoard longer next time. Which was ~16.9% over 1500ish. What does tell me? I need to now hoard longer 😭 for even better rate lol.

Srheer0

tonypq said:

Any of you have a strategy when opening up your hoards ?

I've hoarded about 4 or 5 times over last few years. Typically I'd get around 300 pulls and hit the LL store pulling until I champed the three 5s or ran out of tokens/CPs. My first hoard I remembered being lucky with RNG, the few after that my RNG was much worse. 

My latest hoard was when SW/Colossus/Knull were in LL. This time instead of pulling all at once, I pulled in portions over several periods of time. As I mentioned prior to this latest hoard RNG had been very bad for me over my previous few hoards and special stores recently. 

This time around I started pulling and RNG was terrible so I stopped. I did this one or two more times, pulled had bad RNG and stopped. Then the last attempt pulling right off the bat my RNG was amazing. I continued to keep pulling and not only champed all three 5s, but had bonus covers as well and didn't even have to touch my CPs at all, only had to use my LL tokens. 

We know RNG works itself out over time and larger sample size, but still tough to keep pulling when you've gotten only 4s for say 20+ pulls. Maybe after my last pull I'm feeling a bit superstitious since I only kept pulling once some positive RNG kicked in for me. But was curious if you guys pull all at once over several attempts like I did my last hoard. 

My worst streak of no 5star was something like 36 pulls. Yeah, it was a disaster :P.  

Depending on your long term goals, you'd probably want to pull until you get 1 of every Latest 5 and then save for when meta ones appear (or a special store). I've never had good luck with the special stores personally.  

I went all-in for Wanda. During my first splurge I was pretty unlucky and got 6 or so covers of her and 16 of cycl5ps and 4-7 ish Colossus I think. So the rate was good for the amount I pulled, but skewed more towards Cycl5ps.  

When cyclops left, I really wanted Knull. So I went hard and managed to finish Colossus and Wanda before I champed Knull.  

Now that Wanda is left, shes my highest 5star at level 368ish. I got lots of pulls for her once she was championed and when I was chasing Knull lol. So it balances itself out in the end.  

Currently saving for when Odin enters LL and lacking an Elektra cover .

TLDR, chase who you think is cool. If you spend all your resources on LL, by the time they leave latest, you should have 10+ covers of the 5 you are chasing.  

I don't know if anyone has the patience to save enough pulls to max max all the latests before they have any champable 5s. It's a large number of pulls.

270-330 pulls should get you around 39 covers of latest. And you need 13+100 covers to max champ someome. So that's atleast 1890 pulls to max champ someone. Which is atleast 47,250 CP. If you're unlucky, it could end up nearer to 2310 pulls, which is 57,750 CP.

Sekilicious

Apparently there are people who have saved the LL and CP needed to max champ both Wanda and Colossus. Most probably chose Knull as their third. The rumor on Reddit is it takes about a year of hoarding to get the tokens/cp if you are earning the maximum available.