Champed Heimdall : Sneaky good or just meh?

Bad

As I said, the true power of thor consist in being half health, and his other powers really expensive: not pretty good on defense with experimented players, that is my tier for him. You could argue in offense half healthed is great, I would agree with you.
I agree heimdall blue is his best, but its not likely AI will play optimally it. Still nobody uses him and that part at least personally is yet unexplored. Until that I will say AI will not play optimally him.
Prismatic cleave is too expensive being his only effective attack. It will be a power for to make some damage at the final of battle.
For heimdall entering defensive meta, as bishop did on his finals days, he needs to be focused on his yellow. He needs one character that asures he will activate it, one or two times. And preferibly a character who adds another effect at landing. That will be the time when heimdall will shine as defensive meta, because as you said speed meta will be always the principal.
And then knowing he will delay your play and he will hurt you, its when autoskip alarm activates.
Edit: note to devs lol. That character reinforcing meta landing should come when heimdall still is on LL, at least on his finals 2 weeks.

Taganov

What about what's her face forgettable 4* with the awesome art? Sunflower? Runaway? I don't recall her kit (clearly), but I think she had some airborne and healing effects? Might be an annoying partner.

ThaRoadWarrior

Bad said:

[...]Prismatic cleave is too expensive being his only effective attack. It will be a power for to make some damage at the final of battle.[...]

If you run him with Shuri, Prismatic Cleave only costs 3AP after a couple turns, and does up to 45k damage. 

I took Magik/BRB/Heimdall into Divine Champions up against a team of Doom/Thor/Daredevil (i don't know what that team was about, but it was a real team) and won with barely any damage taken. At one point I heimdall-yellow'd the team into the air and ate a Fallen Favor attack that only did 5k damage. I don't think it would have been as successful against a Hulk-based team considering my lvl 292 magik has just under 17,000 hit points, I can confirm that this team slaps against mundane teams of similar level. It did not, however, slap against the 18 levels higher team of Kitty/BRB/Polaris I took it up against next.

wymtime

I champed both Heimdall and OMD.  I actually like OMD better.  I have used OMD in PVP against Kitty/BRB teams with Apocalypse.  I am able to flip all BRB protect tiles and get enough red to use Apocalypse red again.  I have also seen a OMD, 4* Eddie Brock, 1/2 health Thor be really effective at getting a ton of strike tiles out.

For Heimdall he has been a 3rd instead of a 2.  I added him to Apocalypse/Thor team and look to reduce Apoc red to 3-4 AP to destroy teams.  The only issue is it only really helps for the 5* essential node.  The hard nodes in CL10 are clear able without reducing the cost of Apocalypse red fairly quickly.  I have used his yellow in a secondary role, but I primarily use him as a meat shield when essential and to reduce one power to be cheep.

I was surprised at how much I have enjoyed OMD over Heimdall.  

Borstock

wymtime said:

I champed both Heimdall and OMD.  I actually like OMD better.  I have used OMD in PVP against Kitty/BRB teams with Apocalypse.  I am able to flip all BRB protect tiles and get enough red to use Apocalypse red again.  I have also seen a OMD, 4* Eddie Brock, 1/2 health Thor be really effective at getting a ton of strike tiles out.

For Heimdall he has been a 3rd instead of a 2.  I added him to Apocalypse/Thor team and look to reduce Apoc red to 3-4 AP to destroy teams.  The only issue is it only really helps for the 5* essential node.  The hard nodes in CL10 are clear able without reducing the cost of Apocalypse red fairly quickly.  I have used his yellow in a secondary role, but I primarily use him as a meat shield when essential and to reduce one power to be cheep.

I was surprised at how much I have enjoyed OMD over Heimdall.  

I completely agree with you. It could change if Heimdall gets a meta-partner, but right now.... ^^^

helix72

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 Thor cannot be considered a battery 

I'm really puzzled by this comment (or maybe I'm reading it wrong). On offense only, 1/2 Thor is expected to generate 1.7 Yellow per turn. If that's not a battery...what is?

BlackBoltRocks

helix72 said:

Bad said:

 Thor cannot be considered a battery 

I'm really puzzled by this comment (or maybe I'm reading it wrong). On offense only, 1/2 Thor is expected to generate 1.7 Yellow per turn. If that's not a battery...what is?

And it's passive generation as well. Meanwhile, 4* Kingpin needs to sacrifice 8 Purple for 8 Yellow. C&D's Yellow generation is even more conditional.

But enough about people who are six of one and half a dozen of the other. After seeing @wymtime's post, I'm wondering about whether I should go after Heimdall or skip him. I'm surprised (in a "that's interesting" way) that wymtime finds Daken gives more mileage than Heimdall.

wymtime

BlackBoltRocks said:

helix72 said:

Bad said:

 Thor cannot be considered a battery 

I'm really puzzled by this comment (or maybe I'm reading it wrong). On offense only, 1/2 Thor is expected to generate 1.7 Yellow per turn. If that's not a battery...what is?

And it's passive generation as well. Meanwhile, 4* Kingpin needs to sacrifice 8 Purple for 8 Yellow. C&D's Yellow generation is even more conditional.

But enough about people who are six of one and half a dozen of the other. After seeing @wymtime's post, I'm wondering about whether I should go after Heimdall or skip him. I'm surprised (in a "that's interesting") way that wymtime said Daken gives more mileage than Heimdall.

I say if you can land Heimdall and OMD at 451 when the leave packs call it a win.  They will be useful when essential and if they get a great partner they are at least champed.  I personally am going to wait till Heimdall leaves packs get DP to 450 then wait for him to leave.  After using DP in this past event his blue is his best power and he has too little health.  Hopefully the next 3 5* will be good

BlackBoltRocks

wymtime said:

BlackBoltRocks said:

helix72 said:

Bad said:

 Thor cannot be considered a battery 

I'm really puzzled by this comment (or maybe I'm reading it wrong). On offense only, 1/2 Thor is expected to generate 1.7 Yellow per turn. If that's not a battery...what is?

And it's passive generation as well. Meanwhile, 4* Kingpin needs to sacrifice 8 Purple for 8 Yellow. C&D's Yellow generation is even more conditional.

But enough about people who are six of one and half a dozen of the other. After seeing @wymtime's post, I'm wondering about whether I should go after Heimdall or skip him. I'm surprised (in a "that's interesting") way that wymtime said Daken gives more mileage than Heimdall.

I say if you can land Heimdall and OMD at 451 when the leave packs call it a win.  They will be useful when essential and if they get a great partner they are at least champed.  I personally am going to wait till Heimdall leaves packs get DP to 450 then wait for him to leave.  After using DP in this past event his blue is his best power and he has too little health.  Hopefully the next 3 5* will be good

I'm confident of completing both Heimdall and Daken by 14 Dec (which is when Daken leaves). Hmm I think it now boils down to how good the next 5* is, which we'll find out next week. It's between that 5* and Daken. Because i've been rationalising that Daken is inferior to Carbage; I always use Carbage/Medusa/Polaris against the usual Gritty/Bill/Polaris teams, and I didn't see how Daken would upstage Carbage.

wymtime

BlackBoltRocks said:

wymtime said:

BlackBoltRocks said:

helix72 said:

Bad said:

 Thor cannot be considered a battery 

I'm really puzzled by this comment (or maybe I'm reading it wrong). On offense only, 1/2 Thor is expected to generate 1.7 Yellow per turn. If that's not a battery...what is?

And it's passive generation as well. Meanwhile, 4* Kingpin needs to sacrifice 8 Purple for 8 Yellow. C&D's Yellow generation is even more conditional.

But enough about people who are six of one and half a dozen of the other. After seeing @wymtime's post, I'm wondering about whether I should go after Heimdall or skip him. I'm surprised (in a "that's interesting") way that wymtime said Daken gives more mileage than Heimdall.

I say if you can land Heimdall and OMD at 451 when the leave packs call it a win.  They will be useful when essential and if they get a great partner they are at least champed.  I personally am going to wait till Heimdall leaves packs get DP to 450 then wait for him to leave.  After using DP in this past event his blue is his best power and he has too little health.  Hopefully the next 3 5* will be good

I'm confident of completing both Heimdall and Daken by 14 Dec (which is when Daken leaves). Hmm I think it now boils down to how good the next 5* is, which we'll find out next week. It's between that 5* and Daken. Because i've been rationalising that Daken is inferior to Carbage; I always use Carbage/Medusa/Polaris against the usual Gritty/Bill/Polaris teams, and I didn't see how Daken would upstage Carbage.

Also remember by 2025 we might get some new feeders for 5*

Daredevil217

wymtime said:

I champed both Heimdall and OMD.  I actually like OMD better.  I have used OMD in PVP against Kitty/BRB teams with Apocalypse.  I am able to flip all BRB protect tiles and get enough red to use Apocalypse red again.  I have also seen a OMD, 4* Eddie Brock, 1/2 health Thor be really effective at getting a ton of strike tiles out.

For Heimdall he has been a 3rd instead of a 2.  I added him to Apocalypse/Thor team and look to reduce Apoc red to 3-4 AP to destroy teams.  The only issue is it only really helps for the 5* essential node.  The hard nodes in CL10 are clear able without reducing the cost of Apocalypse red fairly quickly.  I have used his yellow in a secondary role, but I primarily use him as a meat shield when essential and to reduce one power to be cheep.

I was surprised at how much I have enjoyed OMD over Heimdall.  

Though this might not be the right thread, I am interested in your expanded thoughts on OMD. My Heim is champed. My Deadpool is at 12.5 covers (next time he’s featured I’ll champ him). Daken however sits at 5/2/1. I want to champ them all, but really don’t want to put levels on Pool, as he plays better with others tanking for him. I know he’s current placement/next progression reward. Hoping Daken gets ONE more run before he rotates out, as he’s really lagging behind. Might have to take the long route and shard him after he leaves if I’m adamant about not wanting to overlevel WadeRider. 

BlackBoltRocks

Daredevil217 said:

Though this might not be the right thread, I am interested in your expanded thoughts on OMD. 

Same here. We could bring this over to the Daken thread.

Bad

helix72 said:

Bad said:

 Thor cannot be considered a battery 

I'm really puzzled by this comment (or maybe I'm reading it wrong). On offense only, 1/2 Thor is expected to generate 1.7 Yellow per turn. If that's not a battery...what is?

You didnt quote my full argument for this comment, so I understand you can be puzzled. To put it simply and not trying to be a six of one person: if we are trying to give heimdall a good defensive role, can you consider thor a good battery for him?

Bad

Now we are going to advance further in the brain trainer questions. Lets say answering this one you pass the classification of six of one person. Entering then the half of a dozen level.
Do you think a half healthed thor really needs a meta character type such as heimdall?

wymtime

Daredevil217 said:

wymtime said:

I champed both Heimdall and OMD.  I actually like OMD better.  I have used OMD in PVP against Kitty/BRB teams with Apocalypse.  I am able to flip all BRB protect tiles and get enough red to use Apocalypse red again.  I have also seen a OMD, 4* Eddie Brock, 1/2 health Thor be really effective at getting a ton of strike tiles out.

For Heimdall he has been a 3rd instead of a 2.  I added him to Apocalypse/Thor team and look to reduce Apoc red to 3-4 AP to destroy teams.  The only issue is it only really helps for the 5* essential node.  The hard nodes in CL10 are clear able without reducing the cost of Apocalypse red fairly quickly.  I have used his yellow in a secondary role, but I primarily use him as a meat shield when essential and to reduce one power to be cheep.

I was surprised at how much I have enjoyed OMD over Heimdall.  

Though this might not be the right thread, I am interested in your expanded thoughts on OMD. My Heim is champed. My Deadpool is at 12.5 covers (next time he’s featured I’ll champ him). Daken however sits at 5/2/1. I want to champ them all, but really don’t want to put levels on Pool, as he plays better with others tanking for him. I know he’s current placement/next progression reward. Hoping Daken gets ONE more run before he rotates out, as he’s really lagging behind. Might have to take the long route and shard him after he leaves if I’m adamant about not wanting to overlevel WadeRider. 

For OMD he is more fun than great.  I think I will know more after TaT when he is boosted.  I might try him out with Polaris and 5* carnage.  He is more of a specialist in removing those special tiles to give you strike tiles.  I want to see how he does against mindless ones and ultron goons with all those special tiles.  If they ever run enemy of the state again he can be useful.

one think I am disappointed with is you cannot send OMD as a TU because all 3 powers have passive components.  His red would make a great TU

ThaRoadWarrior

I think everyone just fixated on the assertion Thor wasn't a good battery, when he is generally regarded as the best (offensive) battery. I'm not so sure he's the ideal pick-2 partner for Heimdall, but that pre-supposes Heimdall is appropriate for Pick 2 at all without someone else doing something interesting with fortifications.

It occurs to me that Cable will passively fortify 1 repeater or CD whenever you make a yellow match - that almost seems useful if you have an Old Man Daken or Iceman, or somebody else who is passively making those kinds of tiles early in a match, but it would be ideal if he could do it to more than just a single tile per match.

BlackBoltRocks

OJSP said:

wymtime said:
I want to see how he does against mindless ones and ultron goons with all those special tiles.

Quite well, actually. He was essential for Strange Sights a few weeks ago and eventhough mine wasn’t championed then, he was already quite useful against them (and against the ninjas too, appropriately)

Apologies to Heimdall...we’re hijacking your thread...

Between OMD and Carbage. Who would you say is better in the majority of instances, and in general?

PiMacleod

All this talk of OMD... I can't wait to see what mine can do... I'm about 100 shards away from champing him, and now he's essential in this PvE. 

PiMacleod

BlackBoltRocks said:

PiMacleod said:

All this talk of OMD... I can't wait to see what mine can do... I'm about 100 shards away from champing him, and now he's essential in this PvE. 

You should do a video on him, in addition to your usual token pulls...try him at all the 5-5-3 builds with analyses

with or without Apoc/Okoye/Gritty boosting him?  I always feel like it's unfair to add such boosts to a character -- it's like I have to put an asterisk  after the results, because he's obviously on some sort of performance enhancer. 

edit:  dang it... all it took was this little response from me, and now I'm thinking of the different builds, with each "performance enhancing" combo.  ...sigh.  I can't stop my brain from wandering. 

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PiMacleod said:

with or without Apoc/Okoye/Gritty boosting him?  I always feel like it's unfair to add such boosts to a character -- it's like I have to put an asterisk  after the results, because he's obviously on some sort of performance enhancer. 

Sadly they are cruzial on scl10. Id wish there could be a mode restricting them and ihulk. It would be like playing a new game.