Biogenic ooze usless as a leader

AoMadness

So IV been messing round with Biogenic ooze and on its own it's a good card, but for the life of me I can't find and use for its leader ability as theres no ooze token producing cards. So should they add a card that makes ooze tokens or drop it as a leader 

Bil

Well ... technically... you can use nightmare shepherd to create tokens from nontoken oozes! 

Tremayne

@Bil that is a huge stretch, but you are right - technically.

@AoMadness - this have been mentioned again and again with various leaders, it seems leaders is a mechanic from MTG which has been implemented with very degrees of success in MTGPQ. 

BTW - My favourite answer I got when I made a similar complaint about Hatchery Spider; “just you wait sometime in the future HS is going to be insanely good” (because of a unknown card, that hasn’t been designed yet). So be patient (or move along as I have with HS)

AoMadness

@Tremayne on its own I can get it 40+ so I'm happy with the card without it being a leader but would be nice to implement more cards to actualy affect these leaders.

@Bil IV not heard of nightmare shepherd

Stormcrow

Tremayne said:

BTW - My favourite answer I got when I made a similar complaint about Hatchery Spider; “just you wait sometime in the future HS is going to be insanely good” (because of a unknown card, that hasn’t been designed yet). So be patient (or move along as I have with HS)

Hatchery Spider is plenty good with Izoni. And I've never tried him with Locust God but theoretically it should work. That's not very many cards, but it's still not the same situation as Biogenic Ooze, where there are literally no ooze token creating cards.

I think, however, that Oktagon is basically just copying over whatever cards Wizards makes, as closely as they can. They didn't have a crystal ball to know that Biogenic Ooze was going to be basically a one-off and sets weren't going to produce anything else Ooze-related in the subsequent sets. Maybe someday they will.

Mburn7

Mark Rosewater (one of the head designers of Paper Magic for those who don't know) in one of his design articles explained what's going on here pretty well.  (sadly I can't find the original article to link, if I do I will edit)

He used an example of a theoretical 3/3 creature that costs 2 mana with the ability "if you have 6 or more artifacts this creature gets +2/+2" being designed for a set without many artifacts.  Playtesters would strongly dislike the card because it is almost impossible to get the extra bonus, even though a 3/3 for 2 mana is a very good card on its own.  Additionally, the exact same card without the extra ability (so just a 3/3 for 2 mana) would rate very well with those same playtesters.

Basically, its human nature to rate cards by their entire textbox, even if some of the stuff there is irrelevant.

A card with leader is strictly better than a card without leader, even if the leader ability isn't particularly useful.

Oktagon doesn't know what Wizards will publish in future sets (they just admitted as much in the most recent Q&A), so when cards seem to fit with what they think a leader ability should be, they would rather err on the side of a useless leader than not giving it to a creature that should have it.

Now I'm not saying Biogenic Ooze specifically is a fantastic card and the useless leader ability is irrelevant.

But I am saying the fact that there just happens to not be any cards that work with the leader ability does not make it a worse card.  Just judge it on what it can do and ignore the leader for now, and maybe one day we'll get a card that makes ooze tokens and it'll be relevant again.

AoMadness

@Mburn7 I love biogenic ooze I use him with experiment kraj and God Pharos ranos as he is strong as a normal rare type card. For me I feel leader on this card could make him stronger but without it he's still a good card, and im new to the world of MTG, puzzle quest is actually my first adventure into the series. So I am not very knowledgeable how cards get transferd from paper to this game