grunth13 said: Vhailorx said: grunth13 said: DeNappa said: grunth13 said: HoundofShadow said: I saw this somewhere before but I don't know how true it is: for players who get covers of 5* characters who are already at 550, they can swap it for other covers or their choice. If it is true, maybe he can wait for those special Legend stores where it features those 550 characters that he has to re-build a baby championed Thor. If not, he can see which support he can use to help Okoye tanks more colour(s) over Thor.I don't think Okoye will get nerfed even though she is powerful, and she gets even more OP because of Thor. Over the history of MPQ, free ap generation is considered a broken ability, and 5 free ap per turn plus potential matches from tile destruction is OP. But, nerf either one and we'll have havoc again. Only if it's in the latest... because i have 11 550s, every cover I get for them need to be used in a dupe. Also, levels should matter no matter when the character was came out. A 460 level should not beat a 550 level. It shouldn't be preferred. Maybe 1 out of 10 times, not 9 out of 10. That's what I'm saying. And it's not like I don't have newer characters at 550. Hell, I have px, storm, kitty, iceman and hela. All of them came way after okoye, but none of them are in the same boat as okoye for cl10 pve, even when they are 90 levels higher. (emphasis mine) I disagree. That is where strategy / tactics come in play. The 5* champs I have are in the baby champ range (highest around lvl 460 probably). Should I be losing 9 out of 10 matches when I play SCL10 PVE nodes because the enemy team is scaled up to level 650? I said you should not be beating my time 9 out of 10 times, i don't care if you beat the enemy. If all I needed was a 460 okoye and 450 thor, then having the diversity of my roster means nothing in pve. Umm, welcome to MPQ. It's been that way since about October 2013. I don't mean to be rude, but having the best characters has basically always been essential for top pve/PVP performance in mpq. I'm just a little surprised to see a LONG time vet like you caught so flat-footed by that fact, grunth.If roster diversity mattered, then demi wouldn't have to force it with essential nodes, featured PVP events, and weekly boost lists. . . Flat footed? Cl10 just came out. Okoye has been out forever. Cl9 was a thanos/fodder game for which I have him at 550 for that specific reason. They sprung cl10 with no warning and made a character that's been in classics for a very long time almost essential for top placement. That's not flat footed, that's having the rug pulled out from under me.
Vhailorx said: grunth13 said: DeNappa said: grunth13 said: HoundofShadow said: I saw this somewhere before but I don't know how true it is: for players who get covers of 5* characters who are already at 550, they can swap it for other covers or their choice. If it is true, maybe he can wait for those special Legend stores where it features those 550 characters that he has to re-build a baby championed Thor. If not, he can see which support he can use to help Okoye tanks more colour(s) over Thor.I don't think Okoye will get nerfed even though she is powerful, and she gets even more OP because of Thor. Over the history of MPQ, free ap generation is considered a broken ability, and 5 free ap per turn plus potential matches from tile destruction is OP. But, nerf either one and we'll have havoc again. Only if it's in the latest... because i have 11 550s, every cover I get for them need to be used in a dupe. Also, levels should matter no matter when the character was came out. A 460 level should not beat a 550 level. It shouldn't be preferred. Maybe 1 out of 10 times, not 9 out of 10. That's what I'm saying. And it's not like I don't have newer characters at 550. Hell, I have px, storm, kitty, iceman and hela. All of them came way after okoye, but none of them are in the same boat as okoye for cl10 pve, even when they are 90 levels higher. (emphasis mine) I disagree. That is where strategy / tactics come in play. The 5* champs I have are in the baby champ range (highest around lvl 460 probably). Should I be losing 9 out of 10 matches when I play SCL10 PVE nodes because the enemy team is scaled up to level 650? I said you should not be beating my time 9 out of 10 times, i don't care if you beat the enemy. If all I needed was a 460 okoye and 450 thor, then having the diversity of my roster means nothing in pve. Umm, welcome to MPQ. It's been that way since about October 2013. I don't mean to be rude, but having the best characters has basically always been essential for top pve/PVP performance in mpq. I'm just a little surprised to see a LONG time vet like you caught so flat-footed by that fact, grunth.If roster diversity mattered, then demi wouldn't have to force it with essential nodes, featured PVP events, and weekly boost lists. . .
grunth13 said: DeNappa said: grunth13 said: HoundofShadow said: I saw this somewhere before but I don't know how true it is: for players who get covers of 5* characters who are already at 550, they can swap it for other covers or their choice. If it is true, maybe he can wait for those special Legend stores where it features those 550 characters that he has to re-build a baby championed Thor. If not, he can see which support he can use to help Okoye tanks more colour(s) over Thor.I don't think Okoye will get nerfed even though she is powerful, and she gets even more OP because of Thor. Over the history of MPQ, free ap generation is considered a broken ability, and 5 free ap per turn plus potential matches from tile destruction is OP. But, nerf either one and we'll have havoc again. Only if it's in the latest... because i have 11 550s, every cover I get for them need to be used in a dupe. Also, levels should matter no matter when the character was came out. A 460 level should not beat a 550 level. It shouldn't be preferred. Maybe 1 out of 10 times, not 9 out of 10. That's what I'm saying. And it's not like I don't have newer characters at 550. Hell, I have px, storm, kitty, iceman and hela. All of them came way after okoye, but none of them are in the same boat as okoye for cl10 pve, even when they are 90 levels higher. (emphasis mine) I disagree. That is where strategy / tactics come in play. The 5* champs I have are in the baby champ range (highest around lvl 460 probably). Should I be losing 9 out of 10 matches when I play SCL10 PVE nodes because the enemy team is scaled up to level 650? I said you should not be beating my time 9 out of 10 times, i don't care if you beat the enemy. If all I needed was a 460 okoye and 450 thor, then having the diversity of my roster means nothing in pve.
DeNappa said: grunth13 said: HoundofShadow said: I saw this somewhere before but I don't know how true it is: for players who get covers of 5* characters who are already at 550, they can swap it for other covers or their choice. If it is true, maybe he can wait for those special Legend stores where it features those 550 characters that he has to re-build a baby championed Thor. If not, he can see which support he can use to help Okoye tanks more colour(s) over Thor.I don't think Okoye will get nerfed even though she is powerful, and she gets even more OP because of Thor. Over the history of MPQ, free ap generation is considered a broken ability, and 5 free ap per turn plus potential matches from tile destruction is OP. But, nerf either one and we'll have havoc again. Only if it's in the latest... because i have 11 550s, every cover I get for them need to be used in a dupe. Also, levels should matter no matter when the character was came out. A 460 level should not beat a 550 level. It shouldn't be preferred. Maybe 1 out of 10 times, not 9 out of 10. That's what I'm saying. And it's not like I don't have newer characters at 550. Hell, I have px, storm, kitty, iceman and hela. All of them came way after okoye, but none of them are in the same boat as okoye for cl10 pve, even when they are 90 levels higher. (emphasis mine) I disagree. That is where strategy / tactics come in play. The 5* champs I have are in the baby champ range (highest around lvl 460 probably). Should I be losing 9 out of 10 matches when I play SCL10 PVE nodes because the enemy team is scaled up to level 650?
grunth13 said: HoundofShadow said: I saw this somewhere before but I don't know how true it is: for players who get covers of 5* characters who are already at 550, they can swap it for other covers or their choice. If it is true, maybe he can wait for those special Legend stores where it features those 550 characters that he has to re-build a baby championed Thor. If not, he can see which support he can use to help Okoye tanks more colour(s) over Thor.I don't think Okoye will get nerfed even though she is powerful, and she gets even more OP because of Thor. Over the history of MPQ, free ap generation is considered a broken ability, and 5 free ap per turn plus potential matches from tile destruction is OP. But, nerf either one and we'll have havoc again. Only if it's in the latest... because i have 11 550s, every cover I get for them need to be used in a dupe. Also, levels should matter no matter when the character was came out. A 460 level should not beat a 550 level. It shouldn't be preferred. Maybe 1 out of 10 times, not 9 out of 10. That's what I'm saying. And it's not like I don't have newer characters at 550. Hell, I have px, storm, kitty, iceman and hela. All of them came way after okoye, but none of them are in the same boat as okoye for cl10 pve, even when they are 90 levels higher.
HoundofShadow said: I saw this somewhere before but I don't know how true it is: for players who get covers of 5* characters who are already at 550, they can swap it for other covers or their choice. If it is true, maybe he can wait for those special Legend stores where it features those 550 characters that he has to re-build a baby championed Thor. If not, he can see which support he can use to help Okoye tanks more colour(s) over Thor.I don't think Okoye will get nerfed even though she is powerful, and she gets even more OP because of Thor. Over the history of MPQ, free ap generation is considered a broken ability, and 5 free ap per turn plus potential matches from tile destruction is OP. But, nerf either one and we'll have havoc again.
grunth13 said: Hi, my name is Riddlemaster and I'm a MPQaholic. I just find it interesting that I have 11 550s, another 4 510+ level and am still getting beat on my opening clears by 460 to 500 level Okoyes. There are times when I struggle against the challenge node with max level boosts, so I start my end grind earlier, but these 460 to 500 Okoye rosters are breezing through them without a hitch, hiccup, blip, etc while starting a few minutes after me. What's the point of spending to get one of the highest ranked rosters in the game and still lose because I didn't 550 Okoye. Btw, before anyone says I should just champ mine, I'll say that mine is 484 level. So by no means is my Okoye small, it's just that with my Thor being 550, my Okoye is basically useless until I 550 it. It just feels like a slap in the face. Anyways, thanks for letting me share.
OJSP said: I understand why you feel that way. However, with the even increasing power creep, I think your aim shouldn't be levelling up Okoye anymore or even building a second Thor. It's too late for that now.The developers put pressure on us to keep spending so we don't get behind other players. I think it will be better to identify the next 5*s to get to 550, so you don't fall behind further. Hulk, Yelena, and Apocalypse seems like a good bunch to start, but maybe wait to see who is next after Apocalypse, just in case they're even better than Hulk. It's unfortunate that for whatever reason, you weren't able to get Okoye to 550 yet, but you got other 550s from your hoard (I know she had Wasp in one of her stores and her special stores were variable, but I think she was in one with Thor and then Kitty, so there was more than one opportunity). Let's look forward instead.I think it is quite sad that older characters can be rendered useless due to the power creep, but that is also the only way for newer players to catch up to the older players or even compete with them.
grunth13 said: OJSP said: I understand why you feel that way. However, with the even increasing power creep, I think your aim shouldn't be levelling up Okoye anymore or even building a second Thor. It's too late for that now.The developers put pressure on us to keep spending so we don't get behind other players. I think it will be better to identify the next 5*s to get to 550, so you don't fall behind further. Hulk, Yelena, and Apocalypse seems like a good bunch to start, but maybe wait to see who is next after Apocalypse, just in case they're even better than Hulk. It's unfortunate that for whatever reason, you weren't able to get Okoye to 550 yet, but you got other 550s from your hoard (I know she had Wasp in one of her stores and her special stores were variable, but I think she was in one with Thor and then Kitty, so there was more than one opportunity). Let's look forward instead.I think it is quite sad that older characters can be rendered useless due to the power creep, but that is also the only way for newer players to catch up to the older players or even compete with them. Almost every special store she came in has had a character I have at 550. That would mean all the covers I got for them would need to go to a dupe or sold for iso. Also, I broke a 2200 pull hoard for iceman, px, storm (should have waited for carnage), with which I was able to 550 kitty and hela. If I had known or had an inkling if cl10 (it was pending for 2 years), I would have 550d okoye instead of hela. With hela, I was able to 1 shot most cl9 nodes with her and thanos.
A_Wise_Man said: grunth13 said: OJSP said: I understand why you feel that way. However, with the even increasing power creep, I think your aim shouldn't be levelling up Okoye anymore or even building a second Thor. It's too late for that now.The developers put pressure on us to keep spending so we don't get behind other players. I think it will be better to identify the next 5*s to get to 550, so you don't fall behind further. Hulk, Yelena, and Apocalypse seems like a good bunch to start, but maybe wait to see who is next after Apocalypse, just in case they're even better than Hulk. It's unfortunate that for whatever reason, you weren't able to get Okoye to 550 yet, but you got other 550s from your hoard (I know she had Wasp in one of her stores and her special stores were variable, but I think she was in one with Thor and then Kitty, so there was more than one opportunity). Let's look forward instead.I think it is quite sad that older characters can be rendered useless due to the power creep, but that is also the only way for newer players to catch up to the older players or even compete with them. Almost every special store she came in has had a character I have at 550. That would mean all the covers I got for them would need to go to a dupe or sold for iso. Also, I broke a 2200 pull hoard for iceman, px, storm (should have waited for carnage), with which I was able to 550 kitty and hela. If I had known or had an inkling if cl10 (it was pending for 2 years), I would have 550d okoye instead of hela. With hela, I was able to 1 shot most cl9 nodes with her and thanos. You could have (and still can!) downed the cl9 nodes with okoye and 3nos and used less health packs as well. Either way I think it was a poor choice to 550 hela. She's not just not that good. I'd recommend favoriting okoye for now, like I already suggested. In the meantime if cl10 pve is proving too hard for you, there's no shame in dropping down a level. There's slightly less stuff in cl9 but it is a lot faster and easier.
captainheath said: I definitely use Thorkoye a lot in SCL 10, but I only go to progression and stop usually.Which 3rd do you think is fastest with Thorkoye? I had been using Prof X, but lately, I've used Spiderman 2099.