What if it isn't the devs...

jp1

HoundofShadow said:

You are confusing between opinions and facts. I'm stating an opinion based on whatever limited context was provided. The context that I had was that a user of this forum asked whether there will be a feeder and this was the answer that he got. I see this being mentioned in a number of threads. In my opinion, I think they were jesting.

I thought that this place is a discussion forum, and not an interrogation room to find out who is right or who is wrong.  I'm also not here to explore all possibilities of how that sentence can be interpreted.

Based on your own statements in this thread and others I can’t even take this post seriously.

Check out your own disclaimers of what people need to do such as, “re-read that last paragraph ten times slow”, or “I think you need to meditate and calm your nerve”. 

You are presenting things as though they are indisputable. So, that is how they are being interpreted. 

I notice you forgot to answer my question about the language, so I’m assuming you took offense. That’s wasn’t my intent, I am legitimately having a hard time understanding what you are trying to convey.

liminal_lad

HoundofShadow said:

I thought that this place is a discussion forum, and not an interrogation room to find out who is right or who is wrong.  I'm also not here to explore all possibilities of how that sentence can be interpreted.

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shardwick

HoundofShadow said:

The boxes are:

Forums and comment sections are full of dunning-kruger specialists who are just waiting for any reason to descend on actual developers.

See any thread where some dumbass comments how 'easy' it would be to, say, add multiplayer or change engines. Any dev who talks candidly about the difficulty of something like that just triggers a wave of people questioning their entire resumé."

I think the devs was being candid when they said there isn't any obvious feeders. One of the obvious feederz is Rogue and Gambit, which they are aware, as you can see in the loading screen for cutest couple. Their reply to feeders triggered a certain reaction which this developer experienced:

There are still topics I can't touch because I was candid once and it resulted in dumb headlines, misunderstandings, and harassment.

By a player:

I've seen what happens when devs are publicly candid. They get called shills, complainers and piled on by the hate brigade.

Click on that dev twitter to find out the discussion with other game developers. If this guy isn't big enough for you. How about this developer from Overwatch:

And if you'll allow me to speak openly for a moment -- it's scary. Overall, the community is awesome to us. But there are some pretty mean people out there. All of our developers are free to post on these forums. Very few of us actually do because it's extremely intimidating and/or time consuming. It's very easy to post the wrong thing and make a "promise" to the community that no one intended to make. Once we say we're working on something, we're not allowed to "take it back". It's set in stone.

Most great developers I know just love being head's down making or playing games. The "public speaking/posting" part of the job is downright scary and intimidating. It often feels like there is no winning.

As a result, there are a small few of us who do most of the posting here. Two weeks ago, I was offsite all week without posting access (I cannot make forum posts from my phone for security reasons). The week after that, I came into the office 1 hour later than I normally do (I was feeling extremely fatigued and rather than waking up at 5:40am like I do most days, I woke up at 6:30am). The end result was that for 2 weeks I haven't posted at my normal rate. I apologize that it's been a quiet two weeks but that doesn't mean that we -- the OW team -- haven't been working just as hard as we always do and are not dedicated to making this game great.

Recent Apex Legends Saga:

I’ve been in the industry long enough to remember when players weren’t complete tinykitty-hats to developers and it was pretty neat. I forged a bunch of long lasting relationships from back then. Would be awesome to get back there, and not engaging with toxic people or asking “how high” when a mob screams “jump” is hopefully a start.”

“So it’s fine for you all to call us liars, full of tinykitty, and other personal attacks when we communicate an apology and update to the event but we’re “immature” when we call people out on it. Got it.”

There are more from other game developers echoing similar things. The difference is how they position it, whether they want to be politically correct or be blunt about it.

I'm not really seeing the level of toxicity that you're talking about here in regards to your ticking boxes. The last big discussion thread with a dev that I saw was with Ice in the thread about Brigby and that was incredibly civil. If anything people thanked him for interacting and discussing issues. I don't remember anyone questioning Ice's game development experience and resume in response to something that he said. Maybe Demi's devs receive toxic comments in private messages or other forms of interacting like social media but I'm just not seeing it here.

What I do see is people being frustrated with the game like blowing a huge hoard and not getting any bonus heroes or buying a 40 pack and maybe getting one 4*. But even that isn't something that I would compare to communities for other games that can be incredibly toxic where devs have received death threats.

WEBGAS

Lack of communication is a big issue from months, now. Don't forget this should be the official forum of D3 🤔

purplemur

I think OP brings a great perspective and I agree that SOME of the communication on the official forum may be throttled through megacorp hierarchy. I feel like Rescue was def a Marvel push and some others as well. There are strings attached not only from Marvel/Disney but also through Sega/Bandai.

I think Hound brings up a good discussion point about devs recalcitrance to engage with the players. I read an article about a husband and wife indy-game developer that sold their studio to a bigger corporate studio and they got death threats and had to move. I forget the name of the game but there was one of the original survival genre who’s forum was legendarily toxic and became a haven for neo-nazis and male rights activists. When gamergate was popping I actually went over to Kotaku and read some comments that were truly “toxic”.

so theres bad in the world. Not so much on here.

I got a formal warning point because I used parentheses in a poll. The mods don’t play.

Ducky would not let it get there, FFtD actually plays and contributes as not just a mod. This forum is full of bright minds who don’t let tinykitty sit without saying thats a bunch of tinykitty.
I offer : the ask a dev thread that was crazy popular for the 2 months it ran, I offer mixed thread and favorite team up threads, and anytime someone writes a farewell it is with fondness and good wishes as evidence for the forums beneficial nature. So it’s really either blindness or something else driving the narrative that we are too mean. 

Where I stop giving the devs a break in the maybe it is from the licensor that is stopping things from being communicated:
If it is tightly controlled and everything is pre-approved. There should be no surprises or whoops didn’t have time to work on it, I was at Con! Cuz legal and marketing have already stamped it, and gave it back with a green light. Copy paste into the template,(ohh snap! is that me acting like I know everything and I am questioning their resume!! Toxic alert!!) 
 I don’t think that If they require ok for the new PvE; part of that process doesn’t include enough to ask and how will you push it? There is total effort to follow the calendar and maintain the release schedule but no part of that involves requiring x amount of marketing/communication? 

Marvel.com seems to have announcements synced to a calendar, mean to tell me that Marvel says we can talk about and give all the details and make it sound exciting but you over there mpq you just get to leave a clue and are forbidden from hyping the new content even if you follow the disseminated messaging? Nah they simply ain’t doing basic stuff. 

There might be something to requiring mavel.com twitter get the leak on Oct events or something like that. And Forum has to wait until tuesday to post but wed came and went and no post....
that’s like me trying to order scrambled eggs and the cook saying “No! I won’t kill my chicken”
ok, you don’t have to do that, I don’t want KFC, just an omelette thanks, what? No you don’t serve eggs after 10, but you did the last 4 years I been coming to this diner. Just dry toast and coffee is all I can order, ok then.
uhm you forgot my coffee- what do you mean you don’t have a sensible place to pour it? My cup for one, heck I want coffee so bad you could pour it in a bowl and I would lap it up. Waiter come back, Im sorry I asked!

Yes, some of what we are complaining about could be totally out of devs/pubs control, and that they may even be forbidden to talk about what they can’t talk about. But can I be a annoyed at saying they will post daily?