**** Hawkeye (Ronin) ****

Brigby

Vhailorx said:

Agent262 said:

Does anyone know if Okoye will work with No Escape?  Specifically, if No escape does say 4K damage, and Okoye adds on 6K damage, if the enemy has 7K health will it trigger doing damage to another enemy, or not because it wasn't the No Escape part of the damage that downed the enemy?

I would expect wakanda forever to work on all ticks of no escape (kinda like hela's green).

Yes, that's correct. Wakanda Forever will apply to each of No Escape's damage stages.

jamesh

And interestingly, the comic cover they've chosen for this character portrays Maya Lopez as Ronin, rather than Clint.  In fact, it is from the time period where he was dead.

ZootSax

5/3/5

jamesh said:

And interestingly, the comic cover they've chosen for this character portrays Maya Lopez as Ronin, rather than Clint.  In fact, it is from the time period where he was dead.

Details, details...

Knowing nothing of Ronin outside of what I have read on the MPQ forums, I kind of wish they went with the cover @DAZ0273 posted with Elektra and the Hand ninjas.  

jamesh

Maybe they wanted a cover focusing only on Ronin, rather than Ronin+Elektra+Hand.

I guess this would be another alternative that is actually Clint:

(source)

Although maybe this one is disqualified due to the blood at the bottom (just thinking back to when Daken and Ares covers were changed).

ThaRoadWarrior

When I did the loaner node in shield training, I wiped out the first time using my 286 Sandman and ronin/magik loaners (my magik was 1/2/2). I guess Sandman tanked everything, and I made the mistake of letting Elektr4 fire off her black when I wasn't looking. When I tried again with all loaners (and focusing on Elektr4 over Carnage first), I made it no problem even though it took a long time. I never managed to fire off Ronin's purple though. I got the sense this wasn't "his" team, so I'm still curious how well he plays with other partners.

HoundofShadow

The loaner Ronin was a 3/5/5, which made his cheap green deal weak damage, 1642, instead of 3830. 

Theoretically speaking, Magik should be a good partner for Ronin, since she creates red tiles amd buff special tiles.

The MVP was actually Sandman for me. 

St_Bernadus

HoundofShadow said:

The loaner Ronin was a 3/5/5, which made his cheap green deal weak damage, 1642, instead of 3830. 

Theoretically speaking, Magik should be a good partner for Ronin, since she creates red tiles amd buff special tiles.

The MVP was actually Sandman for me. 

Yeah, they made Ronin 3-5-5 and Magik 3-5-5 so encouraging you to use Ronin's purple but I'd rather use Magik's there. And of course they made Sandman 5-5-3 when he should be 5-3-5 since you probably aren't using his purple with 2 other options (and Professor X has a purple active too just to make this Shield Training Prince-approved).

AlexR

St_Bernadus said:

HoundofShadow said:

The loaner Ronin was a 3/5/5, which made his cheap green deal weak damage, 1642, instead of 3830. 

Theoretically speaking, Magik should be a good partner for Ronin, since she creates red tiles amd buff special tiles.

The MVP was actually Sandman for me. 

Yeah, they made Ronin 3-5-5 and Magik 3-5-5 so encouraging you to use Ronin's purple but I'd rather use Magik's there. And of course they made Sandman 5-5-3 when he should be 5-3-5 since you probably aren't using his purple with 2 other options (and Professor X has a purple active too just to make this Shield Training Prince-approved).

Actually, loaner Sandman is 5/3/5.

HoundofShadow

I just realised Dr Strange's passive activates after Ronin place his purple countdown tiles but before Dr Strange is stunned. To summarise:

1. Use Ronin's purple to deal damage and then create cd tile.

2. Strange dealt damage to Ronin with his passive power.

3. Dr Strange is stunned.

DAZ0273

I have decided that I like Ronin quite a lot. Normally a loaner is utterly useless in their own PvP but Ronin's passive red attack tiles really came in useful for ramping up the damage levels. His purple is also pretty useful even at low levels with the stun. And whilst his green didn't get much of a work out I did manage to pull off a 2 character kill with it when I used it to finish off an enemy Kingpin (Yes, I was surprised to find one of those too!) and then baddie Ronin! Fun!

ThaRoadWarrior

I feel like Ronin/Nico/Flaptian would be a fun all-4* team

Waddles_Pines

HoundofShadow said:

I just realised Dr Strange's passive activates after Ronin place his purple countdown tiles but before Dr Strange is stunned. To summarise:

1. Use Ronin's purple to deal damage and then create cd tile.

2. Strange dealt damage to Ronin with his passive power.

3. Dr Strange is stunned.

I feel like that's a bug.  It's similar wording to Sandman.  It's damage and stun.  In Ronin's case, there's no quantifier that makes the tile placement a later event.  

Vhailorx

Waddles_Pines said:

HoundofShadow said:

I just realised Dr Strange's passive activates after Ronin place his purple countdown tiles but before Dr Strange is stunned. To summarise:

1. Use Ronin's purple to deal damage and then create cd tile.

2. Strange dealt damage to Ronin with his passive power.

3. Dr Strange is stunned.

I feel like that's a bug.  It's similar wording to Sandman.  It's damage and stun.  In Ronin's case, there's no quantifier that makes the tile placement a later event.  

Perhaps it is the source of the stun creating the order-of-operations issue.  Sandman's green applies the stun directly, while ronin places a CD, and the CD applies the stun.

Are there any other powers that place a CD that stuns?  (Iceman and strange's blues don't count.  They both apply the stun directly and also place CDs with other effects.)

Waddles_Pines

Vhailorx said:

Waddles_Pines said:

HoundofShadow said:

I just realised Dr Strange's passive activates after Ronin place his purple countdown tiles but before Dr Strange is stunned. To summarise:

1. Use Ronin's purple to deal damage and then create cd tile.

2. Strange dealt damage to Ronin with his passive power.

3. Dr Strange is stunned.

I feel like that's a bug.  It's similar wording to Sandman.  It's damage and stun.  In Ronin's case, there's no quantifier that makes the tile placement a later event.  

Perhaps it is the source of the stun creating the order-of-operations issue.  Sandman's green applies the stun directly, while ronin places a CD, and the CD applies the stun.

Are there any other powers that place a CD that stuns?  (Iceman and strange's blues don't count.  They both apply the stun directly and also place CDs with other effects.)

Maybe 5* Ock's black, but that also does damage...

Vhailorx

Waddles_Pines said:

Vhailorx said:

Waddles_Pines said:

HoundofShadow said:

I just realised Dr Strange's passive activates after Ronin place his purple countdown tiles but before Dr Strange is stunned. To summarise:

1. Use Ronin's purple to deal damage and then create cd tile.

2. Strange dealt damage to Ronin with his passive power.

3. Dr Strange is stunned.

I feel like that's a bug.  It's similar wording to Sandman.  It's damage and stun.  In Ronin's case, there's no quantifier that makes the tile placement a later event.  

Perhaps it is the source of the stun creating the order-of-operations issue.  Sandman's green applies the stun directly, while ronin places a CD, and the CD applies the stun.

Are there any other powers that place a CD that stuns?  (Iceman and strange's blues don't count.  They both apply the stun directly and also place CDs with other effects.)

Maybe 5* Ock's black, but that also does damage...

Hmm, I think Doc's black works like strange's blue.  The ability applies the stun directly, and then places a CD that has additional effects (doc's CD places attack tiles and deals damage, strange's deals damage and destroys AP each turn).

ThaRoadWarrior

I can see this being "working as designed" actually. The stun appears to be "owned" by the CD in the way Entanglement's damage is owned by that CD. So Ronin does damage and places a countdown. Strange flaps back. CD resolves and does a stun. It's almost like when C4rol does Command Decision ->Flames of the Faltine->Photonic Barrage happens I guess.

DAZ0273

ThaRoadWarrior said:

I can see this being "working as designed" actually. The stun appears to be "owned" by the CD in the way Entanglement's damage is owned by that CD. So Ronin does damage and places a countdown. Strange flaps back. CD resolves and does a stun. It's almost like when C4rol does Command Decision ->Flames of the Faltine->Photonic Barrage happens I guess.

That was exactly what I was thinking, Strange just has to get his licks in.

zodiac339

ThaRoadWarrior said:

I feel like Ronin/Nico/Flaptian would be a fun all-4* team

Directly bad to put Flaptain on there. You want Nico and Ronin’s Countdown tiles to stay on the board, not accelerate. Carol on the other hand...

zodiac339

Waddles_Pines said:

Vhailorx said:

Waddles_Pines said:

HoundofShadow said:

I just realised Dr Strange's passive activates after Ronin place his purple countdown tiles but before Dr Strange is stunned. To summarise:

1. Use Ronin's purple to deal damage and then create cd tile.

2. Strange dealt damage to Ronin with his passive power.

3. Dr Strange is stunned.

I feel like that's a bug.  It's similar wording to Sandman.  It's damage and stun.  In Ronin's case, there's no quantifier that makes the tile placement a later event.  

Perhaps it is the source of the stun creating the order-of-operations issue.  Sandman's green applies the stun directly, while ronin places a CD, and the CD applies the stun.

Are there any other powers that place a CD that stuns?  (Iceman and strange's blues don't count.  They both apply the stun directly and also place CDs with other effects.)

Maybe 5* Ock's black, but that also does damage...

Pre-rework, Oct’s CD worked that way, stunning each turn.

max5esq

He has great synergy with Dazzler another newer 4 star love the tile creation for matches when someone else can use the AP