Kingpin puts the hoard in a pickle

justsing

Daredevil217 said:

justsing said:

Daredevil217 said:

justsing said:

I hate hoarding and don't care about getting high level 5* champs, so I'll just do what I've always done.. Pull Latest once Loki leaves to finish Kitty. I'll hoard after I finish her and then resume pulling once she leaves. This method has served me well. I've covered all Latest 5*s since Gambit except for Wa5p (because I stopped pulling after I got her to 5/5/2). 

The one wrinkle in this is Thano5 being in Kingpin's new release store. My 5/5/1 Thano5 really needs one more green cover, so I suppose I'll blow some CP there too... 

What are your benchmarks as a player? Do you hit 1200 every PVP? Do CL9 PVE? My fear as a 900 PVP/ CL8 PVE player is I won't have enough pulls.  Especially since I seem to pull below average whenever I bust a hoard or get weird distributions.

I'm a 4* player who does T5 CL7 PVE and 1200+ PVP. However, when I first started my "pull Latest as you go" thing, I was only 900 PVP, and I only started hitting 1200 after I had already finished Gambit-Okoye.

I think one way to gauge whether this method will work for you is tracking your CP + LT gain. I just looked at mine from the past 31 days or so, and I've accumulated about 78 Latest pulls. That works out to be about 2.5 Latest pulls per day. To be able to pull as you go, you'd want that number to be at least 2 Latest pulls per day on average (2.5ish is safer since CS swaps are no more).

I think I'm probably slightly above 2 pulls per day.  So it's tight.  Do you not put iso in your fives? I noticed you said you have everyone since Gambit covered, but consider yourself a 4* player.  If so, how come you haven't invested in your fives?

I've leveled Okoye to 360, Thor to 330, and Kitty/Thano5 to 320. The rest are at 255. I'm still having fun as a 4* player and don't feel ready to commit myself to Thorkoye yet, so I decided not to champ any 5*s just yet. I'm doing fine in PVE and PVP, so I don't need to make the jump if I don't want to. I figure I'll wait and see if the meta changes with 5* Carol and reevaluate then. I still have a bunch of 3* dupes to rechamp anyways. 

Daredevil217

justsing said:

Daredevil217 said:

justsing said:

Daredevil217 said:

justsing said:

I hate hoarding and don't care about getting high level 5* champs, so I'll just do what I've always done.. Pull Latest once Loki leaves to finish Kitty. I'll hoard after I finish her and then resume pulling once she leaves. This method has served me well. I've covered all Latest 5*s since Gambit except for Wa5p (because I stopped pulling after I got her to 5/5/2). 

The one wrinkle in this is Thano5 being in Kingpin's new release store. My 5/5/1 Thano5 really needs one more green cover, so I suppose I'll blow some CP there too... 

What are your benchmarks as a player? Do you hit 1200 every PVP? Do CL9 PVE? My fear as a 900 PVP/ CL8 PVE player is I won't have enough pulls.  Especially since I seem to pull below average whenever I bust a hoard or get weird distributions.

I'm a 4* player who does T5 CL7 PVE and 1200+ PVP. However, when I first started my "pull Latest as you go" thing, I was only 900 PVP, and I only started hitting 1200 after I had already finished Gambit-Okoye.

I think one way to gauge whether this method will work for you is tracking your CP + LT gain. I just looked at mine from the past 31 days or so, and I've accumulated about 78 Latest pulls. That works out to be about 2.5 Latest pulls per day. To be able to pull as you go, you'd want that number to be at least 2 Latest pulls per day on average (2.5ish is safer since CS swaps are no more).

I think I'm probably slightly above 2 pulls per day.  So it's tight.  Do you not put iso in your fives? I noticed you said you have everyone since Gambit covered, but consider yourself a 4* player.  If so, how come you haven't invested in your fives?

I've leveled Okoye to 360, Thor to 330, and Kitty/Thano5 to 320. The rest are at 255. I'm still having fun as a 4* player and don't feel ready to commit myself to Thorkoye yet, so I decided not to champ any 5*s just yet. I'm doing fine in PVE and PVP, so I don't need to make the jump if I don't want to. I figure I'll wait and see if the meta changes with 5* Carol and reevaluate then. I still have a bunch of 3* dupes to rechamp anyways. 

Similar spot here. Keep my Thor at 255 so he can fuel others at half health but I just sunk almost 2 million iso into 5s. Brought Okoye, Jessica, Daredevil, Cable, Green Goblin, and Archangel (all cover-maxed), IW Cap, Loki, and Ghost Rider (12 covers), Black Panther, Thanos, and Gambit (11 covers) and Kitty Pryde (8 covers) to 320. Bringing them all up simultaneously, enjoying them with my fives and when I fully transition the cost will be much less. 

I do have all the 3* rechamped though and all but the most recent three 4* champed. Just waiting on covers. Have the iso. Probably finish Bish/Dom when I open for Thanos/Kitty Thursday. 

mahman10

I'm in the same boat, was going to pop my hoard, but i'm having doubts since none of them will overtake my Thor/Okoye combo. Think i just might so I can get Kitty champed but not try and get Cable/KP champed. Thinking Kitty might have some usefulness later on. But yeah... decisions decisions...

Straycat

I just covered and champed Loki, so I guess I'll "hoard" until he leaves. When is that, btw?

I am a 575 sometimes pvp and SC9 pve player, pulling as I go. I got most 5*s champed or close to it before they leave. My Okoye is at 11 covers but 4 saved, my Ghost Rider is 10, Wasp 12. But my Kitty and cable are only at 2. It works for me, not hoarding gets them within striking distance with feeders and bonus if I wanted. And I haven't spent anything on the game.

BlackBoltRocks

Straycat said:

I just covered and champed Loki, so I guess I'll "hoard" until he leaves. When is that, btw? 

New Year’s Eve.

Daredevil217

Daredevil217 said:

My Thanos is 1/5/5 +1, my Kitty is 3/3/2. I want both bad (and sadly Cable is already maxed +3). I have 300 pulls. Something tells me I’m going to end up with a ton of Kingpin as he is the constant in both vaults I’ll be busting my hoard in. 

Plan is:
- Pull from Kingpin store, pray for a black Thanos; hopefully 2
- If I can’t get a second black, try for two other colors so I can convert if needed. 
- Switch to Latests, hope to finish Kitty and avoid Cable. 
- If I can’t finish Kitty, hope she is in feeder range at least. 
- If I can finish Kitty and get Thanos to 2/5/5 +3, I’ll go back to the Kingpin store and pull for another black so I don’t have to use saved covers for Thanos.
- Ideally I’d max-cover Thanos, Kitty, and Kingpin (sure why not?) and be able to begin the hoard anew until Fisk is set to leave (this will require a ton of luck). 

We’ll see how it goes Thursday!

Very first pull... Thanos BLACK (Best MPQ moment of the day, lets go!)

Decided to go the “club 21” route. 

First batch 3/21 (1 4* BH) = perfect odds
Thanos Black
Ock Blue
Kingpin Green

Second batch = 2/21 (1 4* BH) = Below odds
Thanos Purple
Kingpin Green

Third batch = 5/21 (2 5* BH!!!) = OMFG odds
Kingpin Green
Thanos Green
Kitty Purple (Bonus)
Ock Green
Ock Black
Ock Green
Kitty Yellow (Bonus)

Currently:
Thanos 2/5/5 +3
Kingpin 0/0/3
Dr. Octopus 3/1/3
Kitty Pryde 4/4/2

I don’t know if it should keep pulling for a black Thanos or just settle on converting when I get the iso to transition and save pulls for Kitty. Any advice?

Straycat

Daredevil217 said:

I don’t know if it should keep pulling for a black Thanos or just settle on converting when I get the iso to transition and save pulls for Kitty. Any advice?

How do you feel about Doc Ock? If you care to get him a little better covered I would keep pulling, since you could still use the Kingpin covers and maybe Thanos. If you don't care about making the cover swap, and don't care if Doc Ock stay at 7 covers, then wait.

I just went 2/3 in the Big Bads

Thanos Purple 5/4/3

Doc Ock Black 3/2/4

Dazzler 4/4/5

Pretty good haul

whitecat31

So the last time  I pulled from the latest legendary I had some great luck. I ended up champing cable Loki and Kitty with a pull rate of a little under 1:6
   
This time when I pulled from the Big Bads pull, I was brutalized. 
Over 60 pulls. Over 1500 command points spent. 
3 Thanos covers
1 Doc Ock cover
and Finally a 5 star king pin cover.
Basically, over 300 command points spent per cover. With a pull rate of about 1:11.  
The only silver lining, is I got a few bonus hero covers for Grocket.

That is the problem with Random Number Generation and trusting odds, it can leave players feeling very frustrated when they get so little in return from the expected results. 

Daredevil217

Straycat said:

Daredevil217 said:

I don’t know if it should keep pulling for a black Thanos or just settle on converting when I get the iso to transition and save pulls for Kitty. Any advice?

How do you feel about Doc Ock? If you care to get him a little better covered I would keep pulling, since you could still use the Kingpin covers and maybe Thanos. If you don't care about making the cover swap, and don't care if Doc Ock stay at 7 covers, then wait.

I feel indifferent on Ock.  If I'm being honest I don't know what the old one did or what the new one does.  I have Archangel max-covered with the same three active colors.  wasn't cursing the stars when I pulled him since they weren't wasted covers, so yeah... indifference.

I mean I'd rather not swap 3 for 1 because it seems so wasteful, but the reality is I could waste a **** ton of pulls and never get that last black.  And then be bone dry for Kitty.  The pro is that a level 320 feeder could finish her today (which none of my 4* are at, but still).  So those two bonus pulls definitely gave some breathing room in terms of my fear of not finishing Kitty before she leaves.

Phumade

Daredevil217 said:

Daredevil217 said:

My Thanos is 1/5/5 +1, my Kitty is 3/3/2. I want both bad (and sadly Cable is already maxed +3). I have 300 pulls. Something tells me I’m going to end up with a ton of Kingpin as he is the constant in both vaults I’ll be busting my hoard in. 

Plan is:
- Pull from Kingpin store, pray for a black Thanos; hopefully 2
- If I can’t get a second black, try for two other colors so I can convert if needed. 
- Switch to Latests, hope to finish Kitty and avoid Cable. 
- If I can’t finish Kitty, hope she is in feeder range at least. 
- If I can finish Kitty and get Thanos to 2/5/5 +3, I’ll go back to the Kingpin store and pull for another black so I don’t have to use saved covers for Thanos.
- Ideally I’d max-cover Thanos, Kitty, and Kingpin (sure why not?) and be able to begin the hoard anew until Fisk is set to leave (this will require a ton of luck). 

We’ll see how it goes Thursday!

Very first pull... Thanos BLACK (Best MPQ moment of the day, lets go!)

Decided to go the “club 21” route. 

First batch 3/21 (1 4* BH) = perfect odds
Thanos Black
Ock Blue
Kingpin Green

Second batch = 2/21 (1 4* BH) = Below odds
Thanos Purple
Kingpin Green

Third batch = 5/21 (2 5* BH!!!) = OMFG odds
Kingpin Green
Thanos Green
Kitty Purple (Bonus)
Ock Green
Ock Black
Ock Green
Kitty Yellow (Bonus)

Currently:
Thanos 2/5/5 +3
Kingpin 0/0/3
Dr. Octopus 3/1/3
Kitty Pryde 4/4/2

I don’t know if it should keep pulling for a black Thanos or just settle on converting when I get the iso to transition and save pulls for Kitty. Any advice?

Court death is his best power by far.  You actually do moreself damage below5 covers.  If your goal is to actually make thanos usable in play vs a trophy in the roster then he has to respec to at least 4 black more commonly 5.

Straycat

Daredevil217 said:

I mean I'd rather not swap 3 for 1 because it seems so wasteful, but the reality is I could waste a tinykitty ton of pulls and never get that last black.  And then be bone dry for Kitty.  The pro is that a level 320 feeder could finish her today (which none of my 4* are at, but still).  So those two bonus pulls definitely gave some breathing room in terms of my fear of not finishing Kitty before she leaves.

Just wait. Kitty is better than Thanos softcapped , and your max champ 3* Thanos is probably still better than your 5. If/when you're ready to transition, Thanos is ready to champ. Trying so hard to not swap is just a sunk cost fallacy. You'd be getting an LT and 25 cp from those saved champ levels, you'd surely spend way more than that to pull Thanos black.

Daredevil217

Phumade said:

Court death is his best power by far.  You actually do moreself damage below5 covers.  If your goal is to actually make thanos usable in play vs a trophy in the roster then he has to respec to at least 4 black more commonly 5.

I’m basically transitioning super slowly because I’m bringing a ton up simultaneously, while still enjoying the 4* tier (Domino is seriously one of the most fun characters in a long time!). So right now he’s probably a “scarecrow” when I clear lightning round seeds more than anything; or a “I’m too lazy to scroll to the middle of my roster for the 266 so I’ll do less damage and eat more team damage”. But no, I do plan to champ one day and when I do I’ll respec. I have quite a few 5s that that’ll be the case for. Luckily Thor landed right (5/5/3) and so far Kitty is landing right (4/4/2) so that’s good. 

Straycat said:

Daredevil217 said:

I mean I'd rather not swap 3 for 1 because it seems so wasteful, but the reality is I could waste a tinykitty ton of pulls and never get that last black.  And then be bone dry for Kitty.  The pro is that a level 320 feeder could finish her today (which none of my 4* are at, but still).  So those two bonus pulls definitely gave some breathing room in terms of my fear of not finishing Kitty before she leaves.

Just wait. Kitty is better than Thanos softcapped , and your max champ 3* Thanos is probably still better than your 5. If/when you're ready to transition, Thanos is ready to champ. Trying so hard to not swap is just a sunk cost fallacy. You'd be getting an LT and 25 cp from those saved champ levels, you'd surely spend way more than that to pull Thanos black.

So, before reading this I went ahead and kept pulling. It took me 30 pulls to get that last black and along the way got 3 Thanos green and a purple, a Kingpin green (ugh 0/0/4) and an Ock green (3/1/4). 

The high pull rate made it worth it to me. Ended up 7/30. Combined with my 10/63 earlier (12/63 if the bonus Kitties count), I’m very happy with those results. Thanos is now easily my highest with 7 saved. 

I have just over 200 pulls left to finish Kitty who is already in feeder range thanks to those bonus heroes; which is great!  If she’s given a good feeder during Xmas that’d be even sweeter because I can hoard through Loki (7 more hulks will finish), Kitty (a 320 4* could finish), Cable (already maxed +3) and MAYBE Kingpin (just because the 0/0/4 start means a lot of wasted covers to finish a bottom tier character- he might get skipped). 

Straycat

@Daredevil217 Can't argue with those results.

Straycat

Straycat said:

I just covered and champed Loki, so I guess I'll "hoard" until he leaves. When is that, btw?

I am a 575 sometimes pvp and SC9 pve player, pulling as I go. I got most 5*s champed or close to it before they leave. My Okoye is at 11 covers but 4 saved, my Ghost Rider is 10, Wasp 12. But my Kitty and cable are only at 2. It works for me, not hoarding gets them within striking distance with feeders and bonus if I wanted. And I haven't spent anything on the game.

3 weeks later, my hoard is at 14 tokens and 607 cp. 38 pulls in 21 days. Is that good or bad?

Phumade

Straycat said:

Straycat said:

I just covered and champed Loki, so I guess I'll "hoard" until he leaves. When is that, btw?

I am a 575 sometimes pvp and SC9 pve player, pulling as I go. I got most 5*s champed or close to it before they leave. My Okoye is at 11 covers but 4 saved, my Ghost Rider is 10, Wasp 12. But my Kitty and cable are only at 2. It works for me, not hoarding gets them within striking distance with feeders and bonus if I wanted. And I haven't spent anything on the game.

3 weeks later, my hoard is at 14 tokens and 607 cp. 38 pulls in 21 days. Is that good or bad?

Very solid.  If you can avg 50 cp equivalents over 3 cycles,  you consistent champ every latest coming down the line as lon as you maintain or improve that rate

RickOShay

All this negativity for Cable, he's not that bad. Solid mid tier, if not a bit higher. He doesn't disrupt Thorkoye, and Kitty is going to be rated higher, all agreed but geez! 
Out of 23 5* champs, I still rate him higher than AA, Panther, Phoenix and Widow, and you know the rest below that group. 

I got Kingpin up to 2/1/3 in the big bads store, while also getting Doc Ock finished and Thanos bumped up a bit. 

My pickle now, is wondering if I should get more levels in Kitty while going for more KP, or just wait since she's already at level 453. I have over 120 pulls saved up again, so I'm a bit ahead there perhaps. Should I wait until we see the who the next 5* is and decide quickly to pull/wait at that point? 
I think she would definitely benefit from more levels just to get her health up a bit. Using her with Grocket is great, but she takes plenty of damage until you get her protect tiles out.  


EDIT: 
I ran off a number of pulls and fared an above average rate. Got 4 KP, 1 Cable, and 0 Kitty lol. 
The good news is that the champ rewards earned quite a bit of LT and CP back, so the net difference in pulls won't matter much in the long run.
Now to decide on when to actually try to get the Kitty champ levels that I was aiming for in the first place. 
Side note, Kingpin while super-boosted has been fun, and I like his tactical play in general (except on shield hops). 

Vins2

Mathematically, it's  a 0.8-0.9% increase in a stat/power for each level.  Extra levels in a 5 doesn't feel like much, unless it's a big jump.  At least that's how I feel when queuing guys and how they seem as deterrent to a 450 Thor/ 469 DD that I use.