Is it okay to cheat in Marvel PuzzleQuest?

DarknessReigns
DarknessReigns Posts: 6 Just Dropped In
edited October 2018 in MPQ General Discussion
Seems like a stupid question, doesn't it? I ask because I had a player (several months ago) show up out of the blue with only two five-stars on her roster and after missing THREE Rounds in an Alliance Event, she took it with #1.

Now (in the current Alliance Event, Come 'N Get me) she missed a full Round, came in late on the second Round and is #1, even though I and another big hitter cleaned out Round #1 ourselves. 

I haven't lost any of the missions or Rounds, but did have to replay ONE Mission, which doesn't affect scoring. She's now number one again. Someone give me a damn good reason for how this can be, or I'm kicking. (She was reported the first time to D3Go. They laughed it off, as usual.) >_>

Clarification: I've made ALL the Round Start Boss Battles (from when you clear out a previous Round) and I've made every single mission and Boss Battle and cleared them on the first try otherwise. (With the exception noted above.)
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  • jredd
    jredd Posts: 1,387 Chairperson of the Boards
    i always skip the first three rounds in alliance events.my mates usually get it to round 4 before the first refresh. the later round bosses are worth more points. i usually finish top 3 depending.
  • Phumade
    Phumade Posts: 2,503 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2018
    there are actually quite a few reasons why her score is higher than yours in the alliance event.  Putting aside the implication of roster cheating.

    From a scoring view,  she probably waited until the alliance shifted into round 5/6 before starting the event.

    Let me take a rough guess here and say you probably did a bunch of side nodes in round 1, and you were probably doing your side nodes are round earlier than the other player was doing their rounds..  That fact alone gave up alot of points because the other players can until later rounds to starting doing the side nodes.

    Ultimately just like Bowgentle said,  placement is essentially meaningless in boss events.  In the long run,  all that happens is that other members will get personal progression a cycle sooner than people who rush the event.

    edit:  This will differ based on your alliance's players and rosters.  but the strongest pve alliances will consistently finish personal progression between 5-7 cycles, with 2 rounds left.
  • CNash
    CNash Posts: 952 Critical Contributor
    Because of how boss events work, each player has a finite amount of possible clears (and thus possible points). My alliance is made up of different roster strengths, so I will typically wait until the very end of the initial set of missions before jumping in - at which point the lower-strength rosters will have cleared us into Round 3, but scoring only the lower points totals from Rounds 1 and 2. I can then use all seven of my boss hits, plus side missions, on the higher-scoring Round 3, thus jumping to the top of the alliance table.... not that it means anything at all, as there is no inter-alliance competition.
  • DarknessReigns
    DarknessReigns Posts: 6 Just Dropped In
    edited October 2018
    Bowgentle said:
    Why do you care about someone else being #1 in an alliance event, where placement is meaningless?
    It's not the placement that bothers me; it's the method involved. Two of us are big hitters, and she came out of nowhere with only two five-stars and greased the event post third-round. (The First time she came in, that is.)

    Now that's been addressed, but I am pretty sure that my other baller and I have not missed any Rounds or Boss Battles (in the current Event, and yes, her Roster is significantly stacked now to do it). That's the issue! Two of us making every Round and Boss Battle and she still outplays us? That's all I 'm concerned about; if she's legit, then it's cool. But while I may not be the biggest spender on MPQ, I sure as hell spend enough to not tolerate any cheating--even if my Alliance clearly benefits from it!!

    Also, thanks for all the replies, guys! I helps me to understand the situation (and how Events work in general) better! :)



  • Huntah86
    Huntah86 Posts: 221 Tile Toppler
    Im not sure how you think she is even cheating? I think its more so just a misunderstanding on how scoring works. Do you start the side nodes as soon as theyre available? A boss fight opens up once a round is clear so those points there alone are substantial in the end. Sounds like optimal vs sub optimal play to me.
  • shardwick
    shardwick Posts: 2,121 Chairperson of the Boards
    Wanting to kick someone because they did well in an alliance event? Really? I mean I could understand being mad if someone pretty much only joins to mooch off of the alliance rewards and doesn't put up that many points for themselves.
  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,744 Chairperson of the Boards
    This happens all the time. It isn't cheating. 

    At first, I thought you meant their roster was literally two five stars and no one else. THAT would be a neat trick. 
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    No cheating. She just knows how to maximize her points.  I typically only do the free boss clears each round until round 4 or 5 unlock then I start going whole hog and usually end up in the top 1-3 somewhere.  Also if your alliance is made up of lower players, which I suspect due to your understanding of mechanics and making 2 5* seem like a big deal, then it’s a smart strategy.  You should have your strongest players wait as long as possible to start going all out.  Let the little rosters clean up the early rounds. 
  • ursopro
    ursopro Posts: 334 Mover and Shaker
    No, is not ok.

    No, she's not cheating (most likely, probably).
  • Loosie
    Loosie Posts: 397 Mover and Shaker
    I used to do what the OP did and go in guns blazing in Boss Events. But now I wait until about an hour (maybe a bit more) is left on the first clear before do the side missions.

    At first I thought he was saying the new person had only 2 5* characters and nothing else, which would indeed be suspicious. But really you can run through this event with 0 5* as long as you have all the required characters and still come out on top at the end. In fact I don't think I used a single 5* in this one. 
  • robertbah
    robertbah Posts: 124 Tile Toppler
    Do you know that you can hit the boss node 6 times for each 8hr reset? If you ALWAYS clear 6 times and still score less than her, it will be very interesting.
  • turbomoose
    turbomoose Posts: 809 Critical Contributor
    I like to finish top too but if my alliance people score higher than me I’m happy about it as it means we get the rewards quicker 

    i only kick players when they don’t play the alliance events and are missing for more than a week 

    if you join an event and do the boss event then wait; in the early rounds it clears and you get another chance to beat the boss then you get more points 
  • spidyjedi84
    spidyjedi84 Posts: 514 Critical Contributor
    turbomoose said:
    I like to finish top too but if my alliance people score higher than me I’m happy about it as it means we get the rewards quicker 

    i only kick players when they don’t play the alliance events and are missing for more than a week 

    if you join an event and do the boss event then wait; in the early rounds it clears and you get another chance to beat the boss then you get more points 
    I kick if they join an Alliance event, contributing only the total of one measly fight and rake in every reward we as an Alliance pulled, regardless of roster strength (which is essentially not playing). I left an Alliance because of the last one and them making commanders out of everyone on the Alliance, so you couldn't kick anyone for not performing to standards of the Alliance.
  • Kahmon
    Kahmon Posts: 625 Critical Contributor
    I usually finish 1st in my alliance with about double the points needed for individual progression. I try to get every extra unlock that I can in order to maximize points. My alliance is a casual group that steps it up for alliance events. Against Thanos 14 of us completed individual progression. My contribution is pretty routine now. (All times Pacific).

    Thursday 9am. Alarm wakes me up. Only kill boss. Go back to sleep.
    10am. Get back up. Alliance usually on round 2 now. Kill boss again. Start day.
    Early afternoon we reach round 3. Kill boss again. This time do the side fights and boss kill after each one.
    I could get a few more points by waiting until we reach round 4, but this assures me of getting the iso and CP at least 6 times from each round.
    From here I mostly wait each round to do my boss fights until after either my 8 hour unlock or the alliance reaches the next round and the boss unlocks. This occasionally means setting an alarm for the middle of the night.
    Saturday night/Sunday morning: unless I'm expecting an unlock by 2am, I just do the fights at 1am. At this 
    Point I probably only get 2 more unlocks due to the shortened window for the last round, so if I can do it with 1 fewer alarm, that's my preference.

    I suspect many of you have similiar routines. Hopefully having this written out will help others play more efficiently.
  • DarknessReigns
    DarknessReigns Posts: 6 Just Dropped In
    edited October 2018
    beyonderbub said:
    The misplaced blame, over-exaggerated sense of righteous indignation and general lack of knowledge as to how boss events work make this original post a very sad one. This person is helping your alliance as a whole. They score higher because they go later when you’ve already flipped into later rounds in each 8hr cycle and because they wait until the boss node unlocks. This person is playing smarter and gets accused of cheating because someone is too lazy to do the math. I hope this person will find an alliance that can appreciate their roster level and alliance event efforts more than you do. 
    BlackBoltRocks said:
    beyonderbub said:
    The misplaced blame, over-exaggerated sense of righteous indignation and general lack of knowledge as to how boss events work make this original post a very sad one. This person is helping your alliance as a whole. They score higher because they go later when you’ve already flipped into later rounds in each 8hr cycle and because they wait until the boss node unlocks. This person is playing smarter and gets accused of cheating because someone is too lazy to do the math. I hope this person will find an alliance that can appreciate their roster level and alliance event efforts more than you do. 
    Everything beyonderbub said. My previous alliance (which I’m still part of, albeit in another umbrella alliance) used to have all 20 of us hit only the boss node, so we were in round 4 within half an hour of the event starting. Likewise for this Thanos event, I waited for the boss node to unlock, even if the side nodes had already unlocked. That extra 30k or 45k makes a huge difference.

    You have a lot to learn about boss event coordination.
    To all of you who answered helpfully, I thank you. It is very clear now that I did not understand how the game works in scoring. I stand corrected.

    I would not have come here for advice if I thought I had all the answers!!

    I don't play 24 hour days on MPQ!! I am a college student, and I got promoted to Commander because despite that I still make time for my Alliance!! You call me lazy?! I'm trying to make a better life for myself!!

    I'll say it again for clarity; I was confused because I had hit every single round and boss node and still fell behind her!! Now, however, I see it's a timing issue. Also be clear on the fact that it was a natural conclusion for me to think someone was cheating when I have almost every five star out there and leveled up and when she came on she had two five stars one level and hardly any champions of which I had numerous amounts of as well!! At that time, her roster was not capable of keeping in the later tiers of the event!! That was my damn point!

    And I will say again for clarity: I don't care if she beats me. I only care if she cheated to do it, because I've paid enough money I will not see someone do for free what has cost me substantially!!

    //Removed Profanity, Insults, and Excessive Capitalization / Bolding - Brigby
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2018
    If you do it right you can do more than 6 times, which is what she's doing.  Clears you can do in the first 8 hours:
    1.  Everyone get's a free one at the start of the event.
    2.  Everyone get's a free one at the start of each round.
    3.  You get one after you clear a side node.
    4.  You get a free one 8 hours after your last boss defeat *unless a round clears or you do a side node before then*

    What I usually do is:
    1st clear at start.
    2nd clear at start of round 2.
    3rd clear at start of round 3.
    4th-8th clears from nodes in round 4.
    9th. Wait for a round clear if we're close.
    10th -16th or 9th -15th clears from nodes in whatever round we're up to.
    etc.

    Using this method I'm getting 8 clears in the first 8 hours and most of them are 4th round clears which are much higher points than earlier rounds.

    DarknessReigns said:
    blah
    Take it down about 7 notches...  I agree with what those others said for one simple reason.  The fact that you came here most likely means you didn't even ask the player in your own alliance how she was beating you.  Instead you blindly reported here and then publicly accused her of cheating without letting her explain yourself.  Had you asked she's have told you the things we're telling you here and your whole alliance could be benefited.  (I'll give we don't use LINE and in-game chat is garbage as the only valid reason not to ask her before coming here with this post.)  You alliance members are you friends and allies, ask them what's up before accusing them of cheating, especially over something as petty as passing you in a non-placement thing like a boss event.
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