So I just noticed something about supports

Dragon_Nexus

jamesh said:

There's two reasons I could see for why they haven't been added yet:

1. laziness.  They just haven't gotten around to updating the old tokens yet.
2. it makes the release tokens more enticing: rather than just having one new support, it has a large number of supports you can't get anywhere else.

(2) seems more likely, since those tokens are only available for HP: I doubt anyone is actively spending to get the beginner or advanced support tokens available through PVE/PVP.

It does seem weird that they're effectively only making these supports available for two days out of every fourteen though.

I hope it's not 2, because some characters feel like they're not just improved by their support, but they're completed. Wiccan in particular feels like he *needs* his support to be fully viable.

shardwick

Nick441234 said:

DAZ0273 said:

Not cool flagging posts just because you don't like what the person is saying, MarvelPuzzlers.

Absolutely this! I dont agree with the people that criticise supports but they are still entitled to express their opinion. Its time people, that flag posts for the wrong reasons, start getting forum bans. 

I think banning would be too much. If you abuse the flagging system then get a warning, abuse it a second time and get jailed, abuse it more than that and lose the ability to flag someone if that's possible or indefinite jail time until mods have decided that you've changed and can be trusted to use the flagging system more responsibly.

Dragon_Nexus

abmoraz said:

Shintok17 said:

Wow. So agreeing with someones viewpoint or having your own opinion in a Discussion gets flagged. Some people need to stop abusing this function.

Anyways. I believe that the new Support releases should be added to the pool of supports in the store once the HFH offers and Vault expires. This will give us more of a chance of actually earning these supports. I do agree with the OP that most Support tokens give out Duplicates. The good thing is that the amount of Red Iso you get from duplicates is the fastest most efficient way to get large amounts of it.

Not to derail this topic further, but that could probably be solved quite easily if there was a "dislike" or "disagree" option at the bottom of a post.  As it is, there are only hive-mind options, forcing anyone who wants to disagree to either quote-and-post or to abuse the Flagging system.

It's almost like the forums own rules about having a positive, negative, and neutral options for polls would be useful here

They used to. It ended up with posts disappearing because people would gang up on a post they disagreed with and thumbs-down it into oblivion. It fed the toxicity, it didn't help dilute it.

They got rid of ratings all together for a while and only brought this system back with the new boards. Even then they had a "lol" option for funny stuff, but people used it as a way of laughing at anyone they disagreed with.

Stone walling people is a better way of dealing with the situation. Don't make a comment, don't leave a reaction..just do nothing. If you simply disagree, then debate away! But if someone's being angry and insulting or whatever, the lack of acknowledgement from the community they're trying to engage with sends a stronger message of "We don't want what you're selling" than actively engaging them or reacting to them.

AXP_isme

I agree with you @Dragon_Nexus but it’s hard to resist when you’re being trolled hard. It only takes one person responding to validate the behaviour. Trying to face this type of behaviour down is remarkably hard as it requires a really strong united front from the forums as a whole. 

This existing set up, with no down-votes, may be the best option we have. I certainly don’t envy the moderators their job having to make the type of borderline behavioural calls we see on the boards. While I don’t read many message boards, the little experience I have suggests this one is a bit of a tinder box. 

Brigby

*Please keep all comments on the topic of supports. If you wish to discuss the Flag/Report features, then please start a new discussion thread. Thank you!

BoyWonder1914

I don't inherently hate supports, quite the opposite actually. Due to how frequently I use Strang3, I've lost count of the amount of times that my Rank 3 - Lv. 40 Wong removed a pesky enemy CD because a teammate fired a power, or given an extra blue AP that helps fire his stun quicker. I can say the same for my Rank 3 - Lv. 40 Milano: due to how frequently I use R4G, the CD created from his synergy perk (boosted by Gamora and the strikes) usually puts someone down or takes away a major chunk of health. At Lv. 40 I have a 17.71% chance to start the battle with 3 bonus black AP for Gamora, so I see that happen reasonably frequently too. I can praise the benefits of my Rank 4 - Lv. 50 Quad Blasters for St4r-Lord as well, but you get the point. The worst I can say about supports is that their rollout is a crapshow, and the acquisition of them feels near impossible. 

The inconsistency here baffles me. I had no absolutely no problem with tokens being limited to vaults or H4H packages, when they were giving us free basic and advanced support tokens just for logging in. It made me feel like they were looking out for the people who can't buy these options, or got some really bad luck with vaults. My best and highest-leveled supports, the ones I mentioned earlier, came from this type of charity. These free pulls were still subject to RnG, but that's better than actually lucking into a nice token from the vault, and RnG STILL screwing you with a dupe. I've managed to luck into one Master token to date from one of these rollout vaults, and it was a frickin Rank 3 dupe Avengers Tower. That Rank 4 Quad Blasters I mentioned earlier? Yeah that came from an Advanced Token. So you can get a Master Token, and STILL not be assured a Rank 4 or 5 support. Why a 120-item vault, instead of 80? Why do we see these stores/offers before they bother to announce it most of the time? Why do they decide to give free tokens sometimes, and sometimes not? Why change the format of newer supports from Wasp Gauntlets on, but not bother adjusting the old ones - which by the way, are ALL that can be accessed with non-H4H tokens? I try to support these things, I really do since I've seen the potential of their usefulness. I suppose it helps that I'm not a speed freak and don't go bonkers every time a see a banner come across my screen, but nonetheless I'm optimistic about their usefulness in battle. They're just really not helping the issue with silence on so many burning questions. 

JHawkInc

I would make an argument that this thread is supposed to be about the availability of supports (particularly in how newer supports are not being added to tokens, despite having a schedule where new characters are added to tokens that moves like clockwork), and that posts saying "I do not like supports" are off topic, and only serve to provoke other forum users, and are thus against Rule 7.

No one is saying that this opinion is invalid, but going out of the way to bring it up in threads where it isn't the main topic of consideration is detrimental to the quality of the forums.

So when someone says "Why does this behave this way?" and someone else says "Because it's garbage," proper course of action is to flag the second post. It's possible to have disagreeing opinions without being obnoxious about it.

That said, it appears to be another symptom of the "beta test" phase we seem to be stuck in. Ideally, if they ever fully implement supports (making these tokens actually available in game modes in a reasonable fashion), they would get to a regular schedule of when new supports are added (dropping them in when 4*s enter tokens, at the start of the new PVP season, would be a good way to do it). Until then, the vaulted tokens (and those ones from PVP most of us have no hopes of ever acquiring) are only valuable for acquiring older supports. The tiny upside is that this increases the odds of dupes, and dupes are worth way more Red ISO than what you see elsewhere in the game. So if you do get a support you want to use, those tokens are more likely to help you level it up than if all of the newer supports were available in the tokens.

Yepyep

ZootSax said:

Alfje17 said:

How is someone agreeing with somebody else flagged up as 'abuse'? Do we have support-apologists?

I’m convinced there is someone who flags any post that even mentions broll in support threads.

This should be a bannable offense. Abuse of the flag button is the poorest forum-citizenship imaginable... (At least by me, anyway.)

Edit: I see someone else said a similar thing, first. Just trying to be a good citizen  Though making off-topic comments isn't really the best citizenship. Sigh.

smkspy

Thing I noticed with supports is that I can't equip two star web shooters to anyone other than spider characters, yet can equip wasp stingers to anyone.

The restrictions really are unnecessary especially the villian supports since there are way too many of them and villian use/available characters is way too low.

Dragon_Nexus

I want to love supports. I honestly do. I initially thought like Broll did that the whole thing was garbage and it should be rolled back so we can get our Steam UI back. Though...I do still want our Steam UI back and can't understand why they couldn't have just put a big button on that screen that took us to the supports equip page, but whatevs.

The problem is each support, even the most basic of tokens, is given more rarity than a legendary token. And since the basic 1* or 2* is all you get from vaults that aren't support specific, pulling the one beginner support token from a vault feels like the roulette wheel landed on 0.

I have darn near all of them, so each one I open is a dupe. I don't have anything over 3* because I don't think I've ever pulled one of those gold support tokens. Think I maybe got one or two for free as a promotion? But they don't seem to do those anymore...

Getting supports and levelling them up is harder than getting and levelling a 5* character. This is what is killing the entire thing. We need a way to earn them through progress or placement, not just by spending money.

sambrookjm

smkspy said:

Thing I noticed with supports is that I can't equip two star web shooters to anyone other than spider characters, yet can equip wasp stingers to anyone.

The restrictions really are unnecessary especially the villian supports since there are way too many of them and villian use/available characters is way too low.

I've got my Wasp Gauntlets equipped to my OML.  They don't interfere with his claws, either.