There should be two training grounds

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DBJones said:

The problem with that is, lots of people would probably do the same, and there may not be enough Standard decks for those who want to test their Standard decks to really get a good idea of what they're up against. Now, if they add some way of pulling decks saved for other events into the TG pool, your preferred idea would work great.

That is a good point.. I did not think of that.

hawkyh1

DBJones said:

The problem with that is, lots of people would probably do the same, and there may not be enough Standard decks for those who want to test their Standard decks to really get a good idea of what they're up against. Now, if they add some way of pulling decks saved for other events into the TG pool, your preferred idea would work great.

could create a user called greg that uses the master
decks. surely there are default options for those who
are first to enter tg?

HH

gogol666

hawkyh1 said:

DBJones said:

The problem with that is, lots of people would probably do the same, and there may not be enough Standard decks for those who want to test their Standard decks to really get a good idea of what they're up against. Now, if they add some way of pulling decks saved for other events into the TG pool, your preferred idea would work great.

could create a user called greg that uses the master
decks. surely there are default options for those who
are first to enter tg?

HH

I don't think there default options: once I entered aix right at the beginning and I had the game spinning the looking for an opponent icon for a few minutes before I could get it. Hence, no. Let's stick with the duration increase plan: no additional rewards, more fun for everybody. Everybody win!

[Deleted User]

gogol666 said:

hawkyh1 said:

DBJones said:

The problem with that is, lots of people would probably do the same, and there may not be enough Standard decks for those who want to test their Standard decks to really get a good idea of what they're up against. Now, if they add some way of pulling decks saved for other events into the TG pool, your preferred idea would work great.

could create a user called greg that uses the master
decks. surely there are default options for those who
are first to enter tg?

HH

I don't think there default options: once I entered aix right at the beginning and I had the game spinning the looking for an opponent icon for a few minutes before I could get it. Hence, no. Let's stick with the duration increase plan: no additional rewards, more fun for everybody. Everybody win!

But.. but... but... i dont wanna play standard unless theres a new event that i need to test decks for =P 

I really do wish both options were available everyday, somehow; that doesn't obligate you to have to play it; but rather, gives you the option to choose one or the other. *sigh

Mburn7

jimpark said:

gogol666 said:

hawkyh1 said:

DBJones said:

The problem with that is, lots of people would probably do the same, and there may not be enough Standard decks for those who want to test their Standard decks to really get a good idea of what they're up against. Now, if they add some way of pulling decks saved for other events into the TG pool, your preferred idea would work great.

could create a user called greg that uses the master
decks. surely there are default options for those who
are first to enter tg?

HH

I don't think there default options: once I entered aix right at the beginning and I had the game spinning the looking for an opponent icon for a few minutes before I could get it. Hence, no. Let's stick with the duration increase plan: no additional rewards, more fun for everybody. Everybody win!

But.. but... but... i dont wanna play standard unless theres a new event that i need to test decks for =P 

I really do wish both options were available everyday, somehow; that doesn't obligate you to have to play it; but rather, gives you the option to choose one or the other. *sigh

Nothing obligates you to play it anyway.  If you only want to play 1 then only play 1.  But for those of us who want both (or just get really bored at work) we really should have both.  Standard TG is much more useful for deck testing, but legacy is much more fun.  I was really upset when I tried to make a fun legacy Cat deck with the new leader and was unable to play it because TG was standard only.  

[Deleted User]

Mburn7 said:

jimpark said:

gogol666 said:

hawkyh1 said:

DBJones said:

The problem with that is, lots of people would probably do the same, and there may not be enough Standard decks for those who want to test their Standard decks to really get a good idea of what they're up against. Now, if they add some way of pulling decks saved for other events into the TG pool, your preferred idea would work great.

could create a user called greg that uses the master
decks. surely there are default options for those who
are first to enter tg?

HH

I don't think there default options: once I entered aix right at the beginning and I had the game spinning the looking for an opponent icon for a few minutes before I could get it. Hence, no. Let's stick with the duration increase plan: no additional rewards, more fun for everybody. Everybody win!

But.. but... but... i dont wanna play standard unless theres a new event that i need to test decks for =P 

I really do wish both options were available everyday, somehow; that doesn't obligate you to have to play it; but rather, gives you the option to choose one or the other. *sigh

Nothing obligates you to play it anyway.  If you only want to play 1 then only play 1.  But for those of us who want both (or just get really bored at work) we really should have both.  Standard TG is much more useful for deck testing, but legacy is much more fun.  I was really upset when I tried to make a fun legacy Cat deck with the new leader and was unable to play it because TG was standard only.  

I knew i should have said, "not playing TG is not an option." Lol. Those 15 crystals go a long ways. But i get your point. 

I think we are on the same page and want essentially the same things; but just to clarify:

I was supporting the 1 event with two nodes model (1 node legacy and one node standard). This allows everyone the option to play only standard TG, only legacy TG, or a mix of both. Therefore, everyday, you can play whatever TG or a mix of them. This is truly the best in terms of choice. 

Now, there was another proposed option which was to leave the schedule alternating as is but increases the duration to 2 days (so runs for 48 hours). This definitely achieves the goal of having both standard and legacy TG available everyday but ultimately requires you to still have to play standard TG one day and legacy TG another, as requirements to obtain the progression rewards. In other words, should your only goal be to play the required 4 games for the progression rewards, it does not give you the option to play the required 4 games of TG in the format of your choosing consecutively. 

Simply put, I want the option to play the format of my choosing for that day or days to clear my objectives. In legacy, i use a quick omni-whir-uncage-gaea-fetch spell deck so that i can just finish my TG games in under 10 mins. On relaxed days i try out new decks and sometimes i play for 30+ mins for my 4 games and i enjoy it; but, i simply cannot do that more than 1 or 2 days out of the week. And usually only the day of or the day prior, i will test standard decks for a brand new event

So i would just appreciate having BOTH available everyday so that i can choose what i want for that day or week to get my rewards. As opposed to alternating between legacy and standard and FORCING me to play in a format i do not wish to, to get my rewards. 
 

Brakkis

I personally feel like both Training Grounds should be run every day and just alter the rewards.

Both should give 2000 Runes and 10 Crystals. Standard TG gives 1900 Runes now. This change would be all of 5 extra crystals a day with increased runes (which we all have been begging for) and wouldn't upset the balance too much.

gogol666

Let me recap the options proposed so far, from the most generous to the cheapest towards the players:
1) double TG, double rewards: value 2 TGs
2) double TG, 66% of the rewards: value ~1.4 TGs
3) single TG with two nodes, same reward: value 1 TG
4) alternating TG with double duration: value 1 TG
5) single TG with std/legacy toggle: value 1 TG
6) alternating TG: value 1 TG

Solutions 1 to 5 give both standard and legacy options every day.
Solutions 3 to 5 don't ask for increased rewards.
Solutions 4 and 5 are even super easy to implement (at least 4).
Solution 6 (the current) doesn't allow to choose between standard and legacy.

I personally prefer option 1 as a reward for the players after the lousy update experience everybody got, but I will happy with any of the proposals so far.

PS: I hope I summarized all the proposals and I hope even more that d3/oktagon can listen to us one more time

[Deleted User]

gogol666 said:

Let me recap the options proposed so far, from the most generous to the cheapest towards the players:
1) double TG, double rewards: value 2 TGs
2) double TG, 66% of the rewards: value ~1.4 TGs
3) single TG with two nodes, same reward: value 1 TG
4) alternating TG with double duration: value 1 TG
5) single TG with std/legacy toggle: value 1 TG
6) alternating TG: value 1 TG

Solutions 1 to 5 give both standard and legacy options every day.
Solutions 3 to 5 don't ask for increased rewards.
Solutions 4 and 5 are even super easy to implement (at least 4).
Solution 6 (the current) doesn't allow to choose between standard and legacy.

I personally prefer option 1 as a reward for the players after the lousy update experience everybody got, but I will happy with any of the proposals so far.

PS: I hope I summarized all the proposals and I hope even more that d3/oktagon can listen to us one more time

Great job! i like this summary.

I prefer options 3 and 5 THE MOST because they give the option of both legacy and standard everyday; but, doesn't require me to have to play a specific format for a particular day.

Then options 1, 2, and 4 because they give the option of both legacy and standard everyday; but, require me to play a format I may not want to for that particular day.

And lastly, please erase option 6, it is worthless.

GrizzoMtGPQ

Quick someone make a poll!