Where is the sweet spot?

maguirenumber6

So levelling to 360 for a 5* character is still "safe" as boosted champed 4*s are slightly above them?

Waddles_Pines

maguirenumber6 said:

So levelling to 360 for a 5* character is still "safe" as boosted champed 4*s are slightly above them?

Based on what ppl are saying, that sounds about right.  That's assuming you have a majority of 4*s boosted.  Otherwise,if you only have one or two boosted, the 360 5* will pull up your MMR for that boost week.  

maguirenumber6

Waddles_Pines said:

maguirenumber6 said:

So levelling to 360 for a 5* character is still "safe" as boosted champed 4*s are slightly above them?

Based on what ppl are saying, that sounds about right.  That's assuming you have a majority of 4*s boosted.  Otherwise,if you only have one or two boosted, the 360 5* will pull up your MMR for that boost week.  

This is useful to know. In the process of champing all my 4*s. On 58 so far. After I've done the rest (bar the latest of course), I will then turn my attention to putting some iso into my 5*s.

Straycat

maguirenumber6 said:

So levelling to 360 for a 5* character is still "safe" as boosted champed 4*s are slightly above them?

I mean, even max champed 3*s are boosted higher than 360

smkspy

I'd say the sweet spot is have over 75% of 4s champed and several max-covered but not champed or leveled 5s.

The reality of the 5 🌟 transition is that once you're locked in, that's it and there is little to zero advancement for those champed characters to help make your champed strong enough to compensate it you lack a meta character in PvP. It really is a purgatory of sorts for people that aren't willing to spend thousands in buy clubs to keep up with latest releases and apply a few champ levels while latest.

Waddles_Pines

smkspy said:

I'd say the sweet spot is have over 75% of 4s champed and several max-covered but not champed or leveled 5s.

@smkspy
Do you softcap your 5* or just leave them unleveled?

smkspy

Waddles_Pines said:

smkspy said:

I'd say the sweet spot is have over 75% of 4s champed and several max-covered but not champed or leveled 5s.

@smkspy
Do you softcap your 5* or just leave them unleveled?

I soft capped those that aren't max covered, but champed 7 that were...time machine, I'd go back and not champ them fwiw. My 450 Spidey and DD are easy PvP grills, and really only useful to me in pve. Case if Spidey or Phoenix only when they're the 5 🌟 essential.

Until there is a clear path for actual advancement thru gameplay for aquiring fives beyond a few lucky extra LL pulls if you max cover someone before they leave. I won't put iso into anyone unless I can champ them, and only because I'm absolutely locked into the five 🌟 tower at this point.

Waddles_Pines

smkspy said:

I soft capped those that aren't max covered, but champed 7 that were...time machine, I'd go back and not champ them fwiw. My 450 Spidey and DD are easy PvP grills, and really only useful to me in pve. Case if Spidey or Phoenix only when they're the 5 🌟 essential.

Until there is a clear path for actual advancement thru gameplay for aquiring fives beyond a few lucky extra LL pulls if you max cover someone before they leave. I won't put iso into anyone unless I can champ them, and only because I'm absolutely locked into the five 🌟 tower at this point.

If you hopped in a way back machine, and wanted to stay in 4* land, what would you soft cap your 5* to; and also what lvl would you stop adding champ levels to for your 4*.  For reference, for MMR my top 5 4* avg ~308.  As you said earlier, once you cross the line to 5* there's no turning back (other than selling).  Since boost lists add ~100 lvls to a 4*, I'm not sure when to stop adding those champ levels as to not be forced into 5* land...

Dormammu

Waddles_Pines said:
...once you cross the line to 5* there's no turning back (other than selling).  Since boost lists add ~100 lvls to a 4*, I'm not sure when to stop adding those champ levels as to not be forced into 5* land...

There's nothing to be afraid of. I remember when I was in 3-star land; I champed every single one of them before ever touching a 4-star. So I had some 3-stars with quite a few champ levels before I ever made the transition. I started seeing 4-stars in PvP, champed ones, due to the boosted levels of my 3-stars. But my boosted 3-stars were better because of how they scale up with those boosted levels and I had no problem competing.

It's the same with 4-stars. So if you have several at level 350 and they get boosted to 450, they're going to be some pretty mean machines and you can compete with freshly champed 5-stars. For example - I'm skipping level 400+ boosted Rogues in the current PvP. I'll take Panthos on over that terror any day of the week.

captainheath

I'm thinking now that you can save a bunch of covers that I don't really need to push to finish championing my last 15 4's.  The only one I'm interested in using is Kate Bishop, and even then I don't think I'd use her much.

It would be far more fun to start using 5's during PVE.  So I'm probably going to level a few to 360 and see how it goes.

DFiPL

Jarvind said:

bluewolf said:

I have never hoarded. JJ is 457. I’m one cover away from a finished Cap. Okoye has 7 covers but still plenty of time. My Thor is 458.  I have 8 champed 5’s.  Haven’t pulled Classics other than some one offs for fun in about a year.

0.68% vs 5%.  Classics vs Latest. Your choice.

This probably works if you play everything to max progression and spend on top of it. For the overwhelming majority, though, it will result in a lot of 5*s sitting at 7-8 covers when they go into Classic purgatory.

I play pve optimally. I get 10 CP per pvp. My spending since the Steam UI change has been $1.99 every 30 days.

I've championed Ghost Rider, JJ, Aclerica, and have Okoye at 9 covers.

Thanos, 5DD, Thor, and 5pidey are also championed.

I've never been more than a VIP subscription buyer, and as mentioned, even that not in a long time. Pve progression plus 575 and committing to Latest = I cover most Latests, and champion most of those I cover.

Dormammu

DFiPL said:

I've never been more than a VIP subscription buyer, and as mentioned, even that not in a long time. Pve progression plus 575 and committing to Latest = I cover most Latests, and champion most of those I cover.

Yeah, I play about the same as you - though I will take events off to avoid burnout - and I am a VIP subscriber. In 3 months I was able to hoard enough to get Okoye and JJ champed (with a couple extra champ levels for each), plus Lumbercap to 12 covers. Had I just opened-as-I-went the results likely would have been similar.

ThaRoadWarrior

I'm a 4* player, a little more than 1/3 of the way through champing 4s. I have some covers on all the 5*s, and for awhile I was putting iso into them. So my 3 highest level 5*s are: lvl 345, 330, 315. 
My 2 highest 4* champs are 285, the other 22 are in the 271-280 range. My MMR is completely manageable; the only time I see champion 5*s are in retaliations after I've pushed up to 900 and I'm worth a bunch of points. Occasionally I'll que up soft-capped unchamped 5* teams depending on the event, but even those are winnable fights depending on who I bring in. I've been a little gunshy about leveling my other 5*s any higher though, i was similarly unsure of what the tipping point might be where I stopped being able to hang.

captainheath

I splurged and brought Dr. Strange up to 345 since he's boosted and this is my first time in a competitive alliance with a new 4-star during non-boss event.  He really helped with my first round of clearing.  Especially with Chavez boosted.

smkspy

Dormammu said:

DFiPL said:

I've never been more than a VIP subscription buyer, and as mentioned, even that not in a long time. Pve progression plus 575 and committing to Latest = I cover most Latests, and champion most of those I cover.

Yeah, I play about the same as you - though I will take events off to avoid burnout - and I am a VIP subscriber. In 3 months I was able to hoard enough to get Okoye and JJ champed (with a couple extra champ levels for each), plus Lumbercap to 12 covers. Had I just opened-as-I-went the results likely would have been similar.

I'm like you, but rng is just too fickle about fives regardless. I'm a straight puller as I have Zero waste. Was ablw to champ Gambit thru GR straight pulls and swaps. 

But only got JJ to 12 covers...praying for a feeder. But have Cap at 9 and O at a dreaded 4/4/0. 

Nevertheless, I'd like to build on earning champ levels rather than they waste away like unfinished classics. The 2/3 farming is just a boring circle for progression especially now that Champing fours is back to old takes months to finish them status.

captainheath

I've played quite a bit since I started this topic two weeks ago.  Cover saving has been awesome.  I got a 14th cover for Jubilee.  But instead of saving up iso for two weeks for a character I'd probably not use much, I've been putting iso into 5 stars that I'll use all the time.  It's been great to have a leveled Doctor Strange (345), Jessica Jones (290), and Okoye (262).  I've also leveled up Cap Infinity to 291 so far for the next event.  He has my most 5 star covers at 12, including 5 in red, so he should be really useful this event.  In the end PVE has been much more enjoyable.