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Apologies, I should have said D3, not Oktagon. That being said, Oktagon wouldn't start designing a set until they had the green-light from D3, so it's a wash.
And I agree, the contract likely doesn't require a negotation for every new set. But I absolutely could see the original contract being for the "three main sets per year", when we all thought paper magic was going to that. Hence why we don't see things like duel decks, commander decks, vault, or battlebond included. However, with Core coming back up as an integral part of the cycle, I absolutely could imagine them having to secure the rights to reproduce core each year in addition to the main sets.
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Usually once we post the Pre-Release notes, that's when you know it's getting real close to release day. Until then, it's safe to assume that the team is still busy working on it.Mburn7 said:
Since there haven't been any update notes or card gallery or anything, I highly doubt it. But with the total radio silence, who knows?FindingHeart8 said:You guys think it's happening today? Big updates generally happen on Tuesdays right? I don't remember...maybe I'm just being hopeful because I like Tuesdays about as much as Garfield likes mondays.
When it comes to new sets, we usually begin discussing that with Wizards of the Coast far in advance, but at that early of a stage we can't mention anything yet. (Although we do follow their set release pattern rather closely, so I wouldn't say it's too hard to predict what could potentially be a future set)DumasAG said:I honestly don't think they knew they were going to do M19, and certainly didn't begin working on it in a meaningful way, until we pestered Brigby enough to get a confirmation they were doing it. There's no reason to confirm something until you know you're going to do it, and likewise no reason not to confirm and promote something if you know you're going to do it. Seeing as that was like two or three weeks ago, I'd guess they still have significant design work to do, much less coding and testing. Mid-August is actually probably optimistic. Sadly, that means we're not going to get current bugs fixed until probably mid-to-late September
When it comes to public confirmation, that one can be a bit tricky at times. In short, we learned a lot from the announcement of Booster Crafting. Once we confirm a feature/set is coming, the tricky part is how to address the 5 Ws that start popping up: Who, What, When, Where, Why?
Too early of an announcement, and we may not have enough answers available to provide. Too late of an announcement, and that becomes a lack of communication.
I know it's not exactly the preferred response, but if we find ourselves not revealing anything, then it's likely the case of "it's still in development, but details aren't concrete enough for us to say definitively one thing or another."7 -
I just hope that card spoilers is released in advance - so we won't have another "Ixalan case" (a.k.a. Cards are too expensive but it's already set so wait till update before we touch anything).0
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I'm thinking it'll be another full rotation of the 3 DOM EPs before we see it at the earliest.
Think about it. If it were only a week away, they would almost certainly have something to say about it. Since we haven't heard anything out of them, it's probably safe to assume it'll be longer than one week.
Now obviously they could introduce older EPs to drain us of our jewels. I'm not ruling out that possibility, given the change they just made in how EPs work. It's a perfect opportunity for them to get some goodwill from the community by giving people more shots at older cards while simultaneously draining our coffers. Either way though, my first point still stands: the fact we have not heard a word out of them (coupled with Brigby's post just above) is pretty telling evidence that we won't see it for at least a few more weeks.
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I don't think we've ever seen a major update without prerelease notes at least several days in advance.FindingHeart8 said:You guys think it's happening today? Big updates generally happen on Tuesdays right? I don't remember...maybe I'm just being hopeful because I like Tuesdays about as much as Garfield likes mondays.0 -
Yeah there's usually something a day or two before at least. I think Rivals was one of the quicker releases. We were all surprised by that one.bken1234 said:
I don't think we've ever seen a major update without prerelease notes at least several days in advance.FindingHeart8 said:You guys think it's happening today? Big updates generally happen on Tuesdays right? I don't remember...maybe I'm just being hopeful because I like Tuesdays about as much as Garfield likes mondays.
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I wasn’t. I told everyone I bet it would come fast. I saved crystals and everything. Had a great RIX collection right out of the gate.FindingHeart8 said:
Yeah there's usually something a day or two before at least. I think Rivals was one of the quicker releases. We were all surprised by that one.bken1234 said:
I don't think we've ever seen a major update without prerelease notes at least several days in advance.FindingHeart8 said:You guys think it's happening today? Big updates generally happen on Tuesdays right? I don't remember...maybe I'm just being hopeful because I like Tuesdays about as much as Garfield likes mondays.
It just made sense they would develop the block together.0 -
bken1234 said:
I wasn’t. I told everyone I bet it would come fast. I saved crystals and everything. Had a great RIX collection right out of the gate.FindingHeart8 said:
Yeah there's usually something a day or two before at least. I think Rivals was one of the quicker releases. We were all surprised by that one.bken1234 said:
I don't think we've ever seen a major update without prerelease notes at least several days in advance.FindingHeart8 said:You guys think it's happening today? Big updates generally happen on Tuesdays right? I don't remember...maybe I'm just being hopeful because I like Tuesdays about as much as Garfield likes mondays.
It just made sense they would develop the block together.I don't see how it would "just make sense."I mean, it's great that your intuition paid off for yourself, but after waiting months (behind paper mtg schedule) for a release for a set that when it was released, was (and still is) rampant with bugs, and no communication from Octagon about a new set until right before its release; I don't see logical reasoning to conclude that there would then be another release until Octagon informed us of such.
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Of course it just made sense. We waited 6 months for XLN / RIX. Most of the cards have the same mechanics -- which means that they did all the programming when developing the main set of the block. After that it was likely just perfecting B4T and slapping art on the RIX cards and applying the already completed code to each card.FindingHeart8 said:bken1234 said:
I wasn’t. I told everyone I bet it would come fast. I saved crystals and everything. Had a great RIX collection right out of the gate.FindingHeart8 said:
Yeah there's usually something a day or two before at least. I think Rivals was one of the quicker releases. We were all surprised by that one.bken1234 said:
I don't think we've ever seen a major update without prerelease notes at least several days in advance.FindingHeart8 said:You guys think it's happening today? Big updates generally happen on Tuesdays right? I don't remember...maybe I'm just being hopeful because I like Tuesdays about as much as Garfield likes mondays.
It just made sense they would develop the block together.I don't see how it would "just make sense."I mean, it's great that your intuition paid off for yourself, but after waiting months (behind paper mtg schedule) for a release for a set that when it was released, was (and still is) rampant with bugs, and no communication from Octagon about a new set until right before its release; I don't see logical reasoning to conclude that there would then be another release until Octagon informed us of such.
In the case of RIX there was only one new mechanic -- and it applied to only 18 cards.
If the coding wasn't done at the same time, it would just be poor project management. Tie that in with the fact that there was 6 months between blocks -- it makes even more sense they would develop both sets together.
In addition they only released one new event -- perhaps if they had been able to perfect B4T in time, they would have released both sets together? But we knew from forum announcements that the new event would be coming soon, and new events historically come with major updates. (The exception to this is when coalition play begin)
However this backfired in a way -- because the normal 2 months between sets generally allows for them to work out quite a few mechanic bugs and historically the second set has been much cleaner than the first.
Still from a logical perspective, it makes sense that RIX would come quickly after XLN.0 -
bken1234 said:
Of course it just made sense. We waited 6 months for XLN / RIX. Most of the cards have the same mechanics -- which means that they did all the programming when developing the main set of the block. After that it was likely just perfecting B4T and slapping art on the RIX cards and applying the already completed code to each card.FindingHeart8 said:bken1234 said:
I wasn’t. I told everyone I bet it would come fast. I saved crystals and everything. Had a great RIX collection right out of the gate.FindingHeart8 said:
Yeah there's usually something a day or two before at least. I think Rivals was one of the quicker releases. We were all surprised by that one.bken1234 said:
I don't think we've ever seen a major update without prerelease notes at least several days in advance.FindingHeart8 said:You guys think it's happening today? Big updates generally happen on Tuesdays right? I don't remember...maybe I'm just being hopeful because I like Tuesdays about as much as Garfield likes mondays.
It just made sense they would develop the block together.I don't see how it would "just make sense."I mean, it's great that your intuition paid off for yourself, but after waiting months (behind paper mtg schedule) for a release for a set that when it was released, was (and still is) rampant with bugs, and no communication from Octagon about a new set until right before its release; I don't see logical reasoning to conclude that there would then be another release until Octagon informed us of such.
If the coding wasn't done at the same time, it would just be poor project management. Tie that in with the fact that there was 6 months between blocks -- it makes even more sense they would develop both sets together.
In addition they only released one new event -- perhaps if they had been able to perfect B4T in time, they would have released both sets together? But we knew from forum announcements that the new event would be coming soon, and new events historically come with major updates. (The exception to this is when coalition play begin)
However this backfired in a way -- because the normal 2 months between sets generally allows for them to work out quite a few mechanic bugs and historically the second set has been much cleaner than the first.
Still from a logical perspective, it makes sense that RIX would come quickly after XLN.You're probably correct in that's how they went about it. But they didn't disclose that progress to the player-base. All we knew was that there were extensive delays in the Ixalan block, followed by an excessive amount of errors when it was released.You're right in that it did backfire. If you recall, there were a significant number of aggravated players at the time as well, thinking that the low drop-rate of Ixalan rares and mythics were a strategy to get us to spend all of our horded crystals, so we'd have to spend real money to buy Rivals packs (which weren't available in any event at the time).I suspect that either you had a really good unfounded hunch or are experiencing hindsight bias.0 -
It just made sense, and anyone who works in project management with software development would probably look back and agree.FindingHeart8 said:bken1234 said:
Of course it just made sense. We waited 6 months for XLN / RIX. Most of the cards have the same mechanics -- which means that they did all the programming when developing the main set of the block. After that it was likely just perfecting B4T and slapping art on the RIX cards and applying the already completed code to each card.FindingHeart8 said:bken1234 said:
I wasn’t. I told everyone I bet it would come fast. I saved crystals and everything. Had a great RIX collection right out of the gate.FindingHeart8 said:
Yeah there's usually something a day or two before at least. I think Rivals was one of the quicker releases. We were all surprised by that one.bken1234 said:
I don't think we've ever seen a major update without prerelease notes at least several days in advance.FindingHeart8 said:You guys think it's happening today? Big updates generally happen on Tuesdays right? I don't remember...maybe I'm just being hopeful because I like Tuesdays about as much as Garfield likes mondays.
It just made sense they would develop the block together.I don't see how it would "just make sense."I mean, it's great that your intuition paid off for yourself, but after waiting months (behind paper mtg schedule) for a release for a set that when it was released, was (and still is) rampant with bugs, and no communication from Octagon about a new set until right before its release; I don't see logical reasoning to conclude that there would then be another release until Octagon informed us of such.
If the coding wasn't done at the same time, it would just be poor project management. Tie that in with the fact that there was 6 months between blocks -- it makes even more sense they would develop both sets together.
In addition they only released one new event -- perhaps if they had been able to perfect B4T in time, they would have released both sets together? But we knew from forum announcements that the new event would be coming soon, and new events historically come with major updates. (The exception to this is when coalition play begin)
However this backfired in a way -- because the normal 2 months between sets generally allows for them to work out quite a few mechanic bugs and historically the second set has been much cleaner than the first.
Still from a logical perspective, it makes sense that RIX would come quickly after XLN.You're probably correct in that's how they went about it. But they didn't disclose that progress to the player-base. All we knew was that there were extensive delays in the Ixalan block, followed by an excessive amount of errors when it was released.You're right in that it did backfire. If you recall, there were a significant number of aggravated players at the time as well, thinking that the low drop-rate of Ixalan rares and mythics were a strategy to get us to spend all of our horded crystals, so we'd have to spend real money to buy Rivals packs (which weren't available in any event at the time).I suspect that either you had a really good unfounded hunch or are experiencing hindsight bias.
Also, not everyone spent more crystals because drop rates were bad. In fact, I spent less. My months of hoarding gave me about 7K crystals. I was able to buy 10 packs when RIX hit. My XLN purchases very quickly gave me all of the commons and uncommons and that is when I always stop buying packs. I currently have almost 4K crystals saved up for M19 because of this rule.
My Ixalan collection is still much smaller than other sets, but my hunch paid off. RIX dropped fast and I had the crystals to take advantage of it.
(PS there are several players who will attest to this prediction -- I was quite vocal about it.)0 -
I'm not calling you a liar bken1234, and perhaps individuals with backgrounds in proj management w/ software development would agree with you.bken1234 said:
It just made sense, and anyone who works in project management with software development would probably look back and agree.FindingHeart8 said:bken1234 said:
Of course it just made sense. We waited 6 months for XLN / RIX. Most of the cards have the same mechanics -- which means that they did all the programming when developing the main set of the block. After that it was likely just perfecting B4T and slapping art on the RIX cards and applying the already completed code to each card.FindingHeart8 said:bken1234 said:
I wasn’t. I told everyone I bet it would come fast. I saved crystals and everything. Had a great RIX collection right out of the gate.FindingHeart8 said:
Yeah there's usually something a day or two before at least. I think Rivals was one of the quicker releases. We were all surprised by that one.bken1234 said:
I don't think we've ever seen a major update without prerelease notes at least several days in advance.FindingHeart8 said:You guys think it's happening today? Big updates generally happen on Tuesdays right? I don't remember...maybe I'm just being hopeful because I like Tuesdays about as much as Garfield likes mondays.
It just made sense they would develop the block together.I don't see how it would "just make sense."I mean, it's great that your intuition paid off for yourself, but after waiting months (behind paper mtg schedule) for a release for a set that when it was released, was (and still is) rampant with bugs, and no communication from Octagon about a new set until right before its release; I don't see logical reasoning to conclude that there would then be another release until Octagon informed us of such.
If the coding wasn't done at the same time, it would just be poor project management. Tie that in with the fact that there was 6 months between blocks -- it makes even more sense they would develop both sets together.
In addition they only released one new event -- perhaps if they had been able to perfect B4T in time, they would have released both sets together? But we knew from forum announcements that the new event would be coming soon, and new events historically come with major updates. (The exception to this is when coalition play begin)
However this backfired in a way -- because the normal 2 months between sets generally allows for them to work out quite a few mechanic bugs and historically the second set has been much cleaner than the first.
Still from a logical perspective, it makes sense that RIX would come quickly after XLN.You're probably correct in that's how they went about it. But they didn't disclose that progress to the player-base. All we knew was that there were extensive delays in the Ixalan block, followed by an excessive amount of errors when it was released.You're right in that it did backfire. If you recall, there were a significant number of aggravated players at the time as well, thinking that the low drop-rate of Ixalan rares and mythics were a strategy to get us to spend all of our horded crystals, so we'd have to spend real money to buy Rivals packs (which weren't available in any event at the time).I suspect that either you had a really good unfounded hunch or are experiencing hindsight bias.
Also, not everyone spent more crystals because drop rates were bad. In fact, I spent less. My months of hoarding gave me about 7K crystals. I was able to buy 10 packs when RIX hit. My XLN purchases very quickly gave me all of the commons and uncommons and that is when I always stop buying packs. I currently have almost 4K crystals saved up for M19 because of this rule.
My Ixalan collection is still much smaller than other sets, but my hunch paid off. RIX dropped fast and I had the crystals to take advantage of it.
(PS there are several players who will attest to this prediction -- I was quite vocal about it.)
But like I said above, from where many of us were sitting, the lack of additional info still made it very uncertain. Being Octagon's first real set, there was a great deal of uncertainty as to how it would be pulled off. I personally was wondering, mtgpq being a sinking ship at that time, if Octagon was going to milk mtgpq for what it had left and then leave it like Adventure Time was abandoned.
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IX RIX had a further thing... Ixalan was widely panned and they would've looked at it, looked at the work involved in fixing it all, looked at RIX which was largely done and filled many of the holes and someone would've gone...
"Ok, we were going to wait and work on things more, but it's actually LESS disruptive to release RIX now than it is to try and deal with this situation in ANY other way."
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Yeah, part of me wondered (presuming Octagon's intentions were more noble than to trick us into spending money) that the quick RIX release was Octagon's way of apologizing to us for Ixalan.Kinesia said:IX RIX had a further thing... Ixalan was widely panned and they would've looked at it, looked at the work involved in fixing it all, looked at RIX which was largely done and filled many of the holes and someone would've gone...
"Ok, we were going to wait and work on things more, but it's actually LESS disruptive to release RIX now than it is to try and deal with this situation in ANY other way."
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I'd rather see 2.7.2 come out and address the bugs than have 2.8 hit with a new set at the moment... Either won't come without pre-release notes, so July 31st at the earliest, August most likely...3
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*cricket noises*
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? Expecting a different answer than the one posted just one week ago?0
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was just supplying the sound effects
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Highly believable sound effectsFindingHeart8 said:was just supplying the sound effects1 -
Im curious if Origins is going to be rotated out of standard as M19 is like origins a core set we lose HOU but do we lose Origins also hoping not.0
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