Any news on dupes from Elite packs?

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  • tfg76
    tfg76 Posts: 258 Mover and Shaker
    What I'm wondering is - if Elite packs guarantee non-dupes, what's the difference between that and crafting (other than perhaps timing)?

    I don't really mind randomness too much, but perhaps a good middle ground is to have rapidly changing packs (daily?) with a random set of 1-2 masterpieces, 3-5 mythics and 3-5 rares. Then, it'll be exciting to check what's available that day, and consider the value of trying to purchase a pack based on what's possible and what you already have. That kind of "fix" at least seems to be mostly a "tuning" of the existing experience rather than create an entirely new one.
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    andrewvanmarle said:
    At some point in the past the Devs said that they would  improve player experience regarding to getting dupes.

    Something about being mayor of valuetown?

    nothing changed.....

    Eilte packs give dupes while the jewels are still hard to come by  (400 per moth on average), so getting a dupe from a moths playing is a slap in the face


    400 per month is only if you're doing Across Ixalan, right? Because you do accrue them faster if you're playing Trial of the Planes and the big events on the weekend. I don't play TotP, but I'm pretty sure I clear more than 550 per month.
  • ZW2007-
    ZW2007- Posts: 812 Critical Contributor
    edited July 2018
    https://youtu.be/mEprvK39vhQ
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  • Mark_Tedin
    Mark_Tedin Posts: 167 Tile Toppler
    ZW2007- said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEprvK39vhQ

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    This happens often with me. They need to fix the chance of duplicates urgently. 
    Until the masterpieces are duplicates. The system seems to be buggy
  • Machine
    Machine Posts: 857 Critical Contributor
    stikxs said:
    I feel like if they did decide to make it so you can't get dupes from pinks, we'd see a significant reduction in the amount of pinks from events. Which would probably be better than the feeling of getting a dupe, given that everything was equal. Maybe a compromise would be when the system is determining which card is in the pack it would reroll X times if it came up with a dupe. You could still get a dupe but it would be less likely if you don't have many of the cards. I think it would be hard to convince that shot-callers to a system where if you're only missing 1 or 2 rares in the elite pack that you would be guaranteed to get exactly what you are missing.

    This seems like a great proposal. MPs stay MPs while chances on dupes are a lot less. There might be other solutions to ease this pain, but until something changes, I'm no longer spending unobtainium if I have at least 1 card in the pack. I mean, come on... two times in a row a dupe with only two mythics in that particular pack in my collection.
  • IM_CARLOS
    IM_CARLOS Posts: 640 Critical Contributor
    Pulled my 4th yet. First from PP and 3 from EP. Nice Orb Push but ... I think some MP are more common than other. 
  • DBJones
    DBJones Posts: 803 Critical Contributor
    With how mediocre the current Masterpieces are, I've just been getting rare+ packs. The current percentages mean you get around the same number of mythics per spent jewels, and I've managed to get more and some good rares. Still missing Lich's Mastery though…
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards
    I spent 1200 jewels yesterday to buy 10 rare+ elite packs... 1 new rare, 1 new mythic, 8 dupe rares.  Felt pretty darn bad...
  • GrizzoMtGPQ
    GrizzoMtGPQ Posts: 776 Critical Contributor
    babar3355 said:
    I spent 1200 jewels yesterday to buy 10 rare+ elite packs... 1 new rare, 1 new mythic, 8 dupe rares.  Felt pretty darn bad...
    Whoa, that's really awful. Sorry.
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    babar3355 said:
    I spent 1200 jewels yesterday to buy 10 rare+ elite packs... 1 new rare, 1 new mythic, 8 dupe rares.  Felt pretty darn bad...
    How many of the rares did you already own though?  If you already owned most of them this is unfortunate, but not exactly unlikely.

    If you pulled the same dupe rare 8 times that's a whole other level of pain.
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards
    Yeah, I owned most of the rares.. my new was a slimefoot.  It always feels bad when your odds are 30% for mythic + and your realized outcome is 10%.

    The big problem is my coalition mates who keep buying the 120 packs and flashing their new mythics and MPs every time I turn around... Looking at you @ironer! =)

  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    babar3355 said:
    Yeah, I owned most of the rares.. my new was a slimefoot.  It always feels bad when your odds are 30% for mythic + and your realized outcome is 10%.

    I agree its ****, but not entirely unreasonable.

    On the other hand, Slimefoot is better than a lot of the mythics/masterpieces anyway, so congrats!
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    huh, I didn't realize people used the 120 unobtainium option. Is that a common practice? Everyone in my coalition just drops the 400.
  • ArielSira
    ArielSira Posts: 520 Critical Contributor
    I had only Conflux and Jodah so bought a 400 pack....Jodah. The 120 pack was a dupe rare but that was expected as I only missed 3 of the rares. I would have gladly spent 400 pinkies to get Slimefoot instead of a dupe mythic.
  • Brakkis
    Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
    DumasAG said:
    huh, I didn't realize people used the 120 unobtainium option. Is that a common practice? Everyone in my coalition just drops the 400.
    Most of our members use the 120 option. The MP's aren't worth it and most of the Rares are on par with the Mythics.
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    Brakkis said:
    DumasAG said:
    huh, I didn't realize people used the 120 unobtainium option. Is that a common practice? Everyone in my coalition just drops the 400.
    Most of our members use the 120 option. The MP's aren't worth it and most of the Rares are on par with the Mythics.
    weird.  I've done the 120 option 3 times now (twice today) I got 3 mythics instead...

    Mox, Jhoria, Replicator.  Everything but Mox was a dupe but it's interesting to see.  I wonder if anyone else has seen an increase in mythic pulls.
  • GrizzoMtGPQ
    GrizzoMtGPQ Posts: 776 Critical Contributor
    Many members of our crew are buying the 120J Elite Packs.
  • Kinesia
    Kinesia Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards
    I agree with "no dupes" but not with the current structure, as some say it's abuseable.

    Rare, Mythic and Masterpieces need to _all_ be separate, 3 packs instead of 2, and prices adjusted accordingly.


    It's good for the health of the game if people _want_ to buy pinks because it's _always_ a good feeling.
  • span_argoman
    span_argoman Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    Kinesia said:
    I agree with "no dupes" but not with the current structure, as some say it's abuseable.

    Rare, Mythic and Masterpieces need to _all_ be separate, 3 packs instead of 2, and prices adjusted accordingly.


    It's good for the health of the game if people _want_ to buy pinks because it's _always_ a good feeling.
    I'm not sure it will necessarily be good for the health of the game if Jewels don't give duplicates. We already have one currency, Orbs, which guarantees giving new cards. We have two currencies which don't.

    Jewels and Crystals aren't that that different in the sense that they help build up the card count in a set early on but take a step back to Orbs when it comes to the later stage of trying to complete the set.

    As for people wanting to buy Jewels, I think using that line of argument opens them up to people wanting to use the same argument for Crystals. I think it would help for us to first think what the role of Jewels should be in the game.

    Crystals have been established as the primary currency to procure new stuff, whether it is cards, planeswalkers or deck slots. Except Crystals give diminishing returns the more complete their collection is.

    Orbs have been established as the currency for getting guaranteed new cards. Which supplants Jewels as the premium currency since they were initially introduced as a better means of procuring Mythics (and Masterpieces) than Crystals.

    So we have the lingering connotation that Jewels are a premium currency and also the lingering notion of Jewels yielding non-duplicates from the old Elite Pack reroll policy. But where can Jewels be positioned which makes them unique from Crystals or Orbs rather than a wannabe?

    I think the current Elite Pack format works well by positioning them as the better option when your Mythic collection is still fairly bare such that Orbs aren't the best option as yet but after you've collected a good proportion of the set from spending Crystals.

    I believe people are fixated on avoiding the crushing feeling of a duplicate more than having the actual need to have no duplicates from Jewels, which is why I still think the option of getting a greater number of Orbs from an Elite Pack duplicate is a better solution than having no dupes from Elite Packs. You avoid having to deal with all the possible exploits from no dupes while lessening the bad feels from a dupe. It should also an easier thing to implement than overhauling the Elite Pack system.
  • Kinesia
    Kinesia Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards
    It's worth noting that Orbs weren't around when Jewels started, so the whole thing potentially needs rethinking...
    Like, I am frustrated that Orbs aren't on the currency bar, but that would be too crowded and 4 currencies _does_ seem overboard, but some potential changes might be worse.

    And, yes, the _actual_ aim is "removing overwhelming disappointment" rather than any specific suggestion.

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