Oh, hey, look - Hulkling

GrimSkald

Just saw the new vault for supports, and then saw the new Support.

Do we really need a new support for each new character?  I guess this means we won't see him as an actual character...

PolarPopBear

I have the same issue with this as all the character specific supports.  Supports as a concept were (badly) sold as a way for us to customise a character.  When you make one so obviously designed to make one character more usable a) it feels like its not fulfilling the role of supoorts and b) makes it feel like they are charging us more money/resources for something they could have just built into the characters abilities from baseline.

also mandatory /yawn another support...

broll

Yeah this is getting old...  On top of them being overwhelmingly underwhelming they are rushing to get them as diluted as everything else in the game.  I only have one thing to say about their strategy:

IceIX

GrimSkald said:

Just saw the new vault for supports, and then saw the new Support.

Do we really need a new support for each new character?  I guess this means we won't see him as an actual character...

A support of a character does not mean that the character cannot exist on their own. It just means that Hulkling (Young Avengers) would not be released in particular. It also goes without saying that any released character that has a support version could not equip themselves...

GrimSkald

IceIX said:

GrimSkald said:

Just saw the new vault for supports, and then saw the new Support.

Do we really need a new support for each new character?  I guess this means we won't see him as an actual character...

A support of a character does not mean that the character cannot exist on their own. It just means that Hulkling (Young Avengers) would not be released in particular. It also goes without saying that any released character that has a support version could not equip themselves...

That makes sense, though to be frank there are so many Marvel characters out there that it hardly makes a difference - you could close off more than a few and not have a huge impact.

Like Broll said, though, you keep releasing new supports while there are very few ways to actually get supports.  I mean, I'm kind of having fun with them, but I don't see this as particularly useful.  The bigger the pool, the harder it is to get the ones you actually want, and unlike character covers these are entirely RNG based.

AlexNapalm

Yup. Would've preferred  Hulkling as a character rather than as a support I will most likely never get. 

FartyJoe

This pretty much sums up my feelings about it

Tensuun

IceIX said:

GrimSkald said:

Just saw the new vault for supports, and then saw the new Support.

Do we really need a new support for each new character?  I guess this means we won't see him as an actual character...

A support of a character does not mean that the character cannot exist on their own. It just means that Hulkling (Young Avengers) would not be released in particular. It also goes without saying that any released character that has a support version could not equip themselves...

Could they be equipped by a character who fights alongside that character? For example, say some future Marvel Comics event does inspire the release of a playable version of Hulklin. If I have Hulkling (Young Avengers) equipped to Wiccan (Billy Kaplan), can I then form a team that contains both Wiccan (Billy Kaplan) and Hulkling (World War Hulkling), or do I have to first un-equip my Hulkling (Young Avengers) support?

Forcing me to unequip sounds like a really complicated set of rules to cover a really weird edge case.

Not forcing me to unequip seems to break the spirit of the rule that forbids different versions of the same character fighting together. After all, my team now contains two copies of Hulkling, even though Hulkling is not directly equipped to Hulkling.

Of course, the rules for this are already pretty confusing; my Web Shooters say they give a bonus when I make them "equip to: Spider-Man", but in fact they only work when they're equipped to some version of Peter Parker; Miles Morales gets no such bonus, even though his mag is called Spider-Man and his subtitle is Spider-Man.

IceIX

Tensuun said:

IceIX said:

A support of a character does not mean that the character cannot exist on their own. It just means that Hulkling (Young Avengers) would not be released in particular. It also goes without saying that any released character that has a support version could not equip themselves...

Could they be equipped by a character who fights alongside that character? For example, say some future Marvel Comics event does inspire the release of a playable version of Hulklin. If I have Hulkling (Young Avengers) equipped to Wiccan (Billy Kaplan), can I then form a team that contains both Wiccan (Billy Kaplan) and Hulkling (World War Hulkling), or do I have to first un-equip my Hulkling (Young Avengers) support?

Forcing me to unequip sounds like a really complicated set of rules to cover a really weird edge case.

Not forcing me to unequip seems to break the spirit of the rule that forbids different versions of the same character fighting together. After all, my team now contains two copies of Hulkling, even though Hulkling is not directly equipped to Hulkling.

Of course, the rules for this are already pretty confusing; my Web Shooters say they give a bonus when I make them "equip to: Spider-Man", but in fact they only work when they're equipped to some version of Peter Parker; Miles Morales gets no such bonus, even though his mag is called Spider-Man and his subtitle is Spider-Man.

You'd end up with a character Hulkling and a support Hulkling. It'd be one of those weird edge cases like how Angel and Archangel can pal around but OML and Wolverine not so much.

Edit: Just a note to cover changes in the future so people don't come back to this in the eventuality that it does change: This is the way it would work with the current system. I'm not a fortune teller and can't read the future!

KC_Hammer

I like supports fine. They don't have a big impact on my gameplay, but I like the concept. I hope they keep making more.

abmoraz

KC_Hammer said:

I like supports fine. They don't have a big impact on my gameplay, but I like the concept. I hope they keep making more.

Dragon_Nexus

I agree with the sentiment that supports look to be kinda fun.

But the inability to get them and the drip feed of red iso sapped all of the fun out of them. I still haven't really bothered with them. I equipped a few on a few characters, got bored and then gave up.

I still aim for 1000 points in PvP though for the red ISO...because I'm sure eventually they'll be worth going for and I'll be glad for all the red ISO I managed to scrounge together. But...for now they're just a bunch of pictures in a tab I never look at.

Punisher5784

What the heck is a Hulkling?!  I learn so much about today's comics playing MPQ

JHawkInc

Punisher5784 said:

What the heck is a Hulkling?!  I learn so much about today's comics playing MPQ

He's a Kree/Skrull hybrid, parents are Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell, the first Captain Marvel) and a Skrull princess. He is super strong (Kree), and has shapeshifting and healing abilities (Skrull). His shapeshifting abilities are strong, making weapons and armor and stretching his reach and growing wings and stuff. And since he can change his density and composition he can absorb/deflect damage or impacts (getting hit or falling), among other things.

And he's a Young Avenger. The original Young Avengers were modeled after the Avengers themselves. Iron Lad = Iron Man, Patriot (grandson of a non-Steve Captain America) = Captain America, Stature (Cassie Lang, Scott's daughter) = Ant-Man, Hawkeye (Kate) = Hawkeye (Clint), those are straightforward and easy. Wiccan (before he became Wiccan) could fly and do lightning, so he went by the name Asgardian as the YA shoutout to Thor. Then you have Teddy Altman (Hulkling). Well, Teddy can shapeshift and turn big and green and strong, that's close enough to be the Young Avengers Hulk, right? That's how he became Hulkling. In representing the original/early Avengers, it was either Hulk or Wasp, I guess, so they picked one and rolled with it. Why he stayed Hulkling (instead of adopting a more unique identity unrelated to Hulk, the way Billy went from Asgardian to Wiccan), I have no idea.

Also, Wiccan/Hulkling are significant for being a gay couple (as there aren't many LGBT superheroes in general), and generally speaking it would be weird to add one of them without the other to MPQ, so having Wiccan and a Hulkling support is a solid way to represent Pride Month.

Tensuun

IIRC at one point Loki claimed that Hulkling shouldn't exist, and he was actually created by Wiccan's reality-warping powers (Wiccan, in turn, was created by Scarlet Witch, who was apparently created by the High Evolutionary because Magneto can't be in Disney movies). Naturally, this news upset Hulkling, which was rather the point; this was all part of an effort to manipulate Wiccan into using his Demiurge powers to make Loki look more like Tom Hiddleston. But, as usual, it's unclear whether Loki was actually lying about any of this.

gmtosca

Poor Teddy.  His boyfriend is a 4* but he's only a Support

p.s.  I get it now.  Hulkling is a Supportive boyfriend lol

wymtime

IceIX said:

GrimSkald said:

Just saw the new vault for supports, and then saw the new Support.

Do we really need a new support for each new character?  I guess this means we won't see him as an actual character...

A support of a character does not mean that the character cannot exist on their own. It just means that Hulkling (Young Avengers) would not be released in particular. It also goes without saying that any released character that has a support version could not equip themselves...

Ice first thanks for jumping on the forums and talking to the players.
for grim’s post part of the issues we hav with supports is there is only a limited way to get supports, extremely limited resources to level supports, and a lot of the new supports feel like they are designated for one specific character and not to be used for anyone.  Now I know you can place a support on any character we choose but the way supports are now they “FEEL” like they are meant for a specific character.
from my perspective how are you looking to make supports more accessible to get and have the ability to level?

Dormammu

IceIX said:
 It also goes without saying that any released character that has a support version could not equip themselves...

Sure they can, the developers have already broken this rule. The support is called 'Spider Sense'. Look at the 3-star version of Peter Parker and tell me a support called 'Spider Sense' makes a lick of sense.

IceIX

wymtime said:

IceIX said:

GrimSkald said:

Just saw the new vault for supports, and then saw the new Support.

Do we really need a new support for each new character?  I guess this means we won't see him as an actual character...

A support of a character does not mean that the character cannot exist on their own. It just means that Hulkling (Young Avengers) would not be released in particular. It also goes without saying that any released character that has a support version could not equip themselves...

Ice first thanks for jumping on the forums and talking to the players.
for grim’s post part of the issues we hav with supports is there is only a limited way to get supports, extremely limited resources to level supports, and a lot of the new supports feel like they are designated for one specific character and not to be used for anyone.  Now I know you can place a support on any character we choose but the way supports are now they “FEEL” like they are meant for a specific character.
from my perspective how are you looking to make supports more accessible to get and have the ability to level?

We're definitely looking at that. Supports are often designed with one character in mind, but it doesn't mean that they *have* to be used on that character. Oftentimes, the buffs that work for one character will work well for another, you just don't get that bonus little extra thing. So it comes down to a perception issue in those cases. You also have to remember (which is hard sometimes) that Supports can be swapped out on a relatively short timer, so even if you have it on one character, it's not stuck there. Once you get used to swapping Supports around, the specific character bonuses turn into just that, bonuses, instead of being a kind of concrete "setting".