Support removal choosing Treasures needs to stop

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DBJones

wereotter said:

DBJones said:

Kinesia said:

Brakkis said:

Mburn7 said:

I agree its annoying, but it was the same thing with clues.  Just need to find a workaround (destroy multiple at once, if possible).

And as far as I know the only card that still targets the indestructible ones is Demolish, which is definitely a bug

Nissa's Defeat likes those indestructible supports too.

From what I could see Zhalfarin's Void could be targetted by _anything_ including creatures where previous invulnerable supports were only targettable by demolish. So demolish has a problem but also that particular invulnerable support seems different from the previous ones.

We REALLY need some support destruction that is not just "destroy opponents support" but rather "destroy non-token support" or "destroy support with more than 1 shield" etc. These are easy to code and add variety.

Nah, I was talking about the RtO supports when I mentioned Nissa's Defeat messing me up by targeting them (it happened on Monday specifically). I've also seen those Origins elves repeatedly target the indestructible supports, though that was a couple weeks ago.

I don’t think support destroy targets the unkillable node supports, but Nissa’s Defeat will always cast even without a support in play to just draw a card. 

In the most recent RtO, I tried to use Nissa's Defeat to kill enemy supports repeatedly. Sometimes it worked, a few times it hit their indestructible support, once it even hit my indestructible support. All of these times my opponent had at least one support on the board.

arNero

Oh, yeah, I primarily HATE those support destructions that target indestructible supports.

madwren

Dobby said:

Laeuftbeidir said:

Rhasget said:

Is there a way to stop/slow supportdecks from casting at all?

I would like to build a deck to avoid getting hit by some ETB effects from supports.
Wryn Nightmare is the only card I can come up with directly and Divest can discard a support (but also a  creature so not reliable).
There are a few cards that specifically drains creature mana and spell mana and with AKH you had Disposess that could slow a support deck but that is gone.

That could be dispossess, a card I don't like to use.. But if I knew I'd face a lockdown heavy deck, I'd consider it

Insidious Will was a fun card to play with, it would be nice to see another one of those turn up in Standard.

I use Jace's Defeat in some decks. It's not as powerful but it's fun, especially with Nyx.

madwren

One of the cards I said I'd miss the most when Amonkhet rotated out was By Force. Man, do I miss it now.

The inability to target specific supports has always been one of the worst features of this game; it took a primary strategic element of the original game and reduced it to a lottery.

Gilesclone

DBJones said:

wereotter said:

DBJones said:

Kinesia said:

Brakkis said:

Mburn7 said:

I agree its annoying, but it was the same thing with clues.  Just need to find a workaround (destroy multiple at once, if possible).

And as far as I know the only card that still targets the indestructible ones is Demolish, which is definitely a bug

Nissa's Defeat likes those indestructible supports too.

From what I could see Zhalfarin's Void could be targetted by _anything_ including creatures where previous invulnerable supports were only targettable by demolish. So demolish has a problem but also that particular invulnerable support seems different from the previous ones.

We REALLY need some support destruction that is not just "destroy opponents support" but rather "destroy non-token support" or "destroy support with more than 1 shield" etc. These are easy to code and add variety.

Nah, I was talking about the RtO supports when I mentioned Nissa's Defeat messing me up by targeting them (it happened on Monday specifically). I've also seen those Origins elves repeatedly target the indestructible supports, though that was a couple weeks ago.

I don’t think support destroy targets the unkillable node supports, but Nissa’s Defeat will always cast even without a support in play to just draw a card. 

In the most recent RtO, I tried to use Nissa's Defeat to kill enemy supports repeatedly. Sometimes it worked, a few times it hit their indestructible support, once it even hit my indestructible support. All of these times my opponent had at least one support on the board.

I played ND on 4.3 and it targeted the black indestructible gem (technically mine) every single time.  I swapped it out for one of the newer ones.  Its totally bugged.