Squee - what's the point?

NinjaE
NinjaE Posts: 213 Tile Toppler
in MtGPQ General Discussion
I'll confess my ignorance here... what is the point of this card? It's really expensive and does.... what exactly?
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  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    squee is one of the cards I've been eyeing (and hope I pack), he's basically an unkillable creature (like Relentless Dead from Innistrad), every time he dies he comes back a bit stronger, so he'd be really good to use in a creature sacrifice deck, or with a support that gives your creatures vigilance.

    Also he's the snazziest goblin in all of mtg history

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  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    He gets reinforced when he comes back - but his stats doesn't change. Any deck ideas are welcome, right now he's just a card that'll give me orbs if I get it again
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    He's also an engine for the goblin reinforcement cost effect mechanic.  
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    Gunmix25 said:
    He's also an engine for the goblin reinforcement cost effect mechanic.  
    What card/cards are you referring to?
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    He gets reinforced when he comes back - but his stats doesn't change. Any deck ideas are welcome, right now he's just a card that'll give me orbs if I get it again
    hmmmm, that's unfortunate.  When I read his ruling (since I dont own him yet) I thought his stats wouldn't increase when being reinforced (ex: casting multiple squees or another spell/ability that reinforces a creature) but his own ruling would override that...so basically only he could reinforce himself.

    Not having that rule be true makes him considerably less useful.

  • khurram
    khurram Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    FindingHeart8 said:
    squee is one of the cards I've been eyeing (and hope I pack), he's basically an unkillable creature (like Relentless Dead from Innistrad), every time he dies he comes back a bit stronger, so he'd be really good to use in a creature sacrifice deck, or with a support that gives your creatures vigilance.

    Also he's the snazziest goblin in all of mtg history

    httpsdfep0xlbws1yscloudfrontnetthumbs4cc84cc82e6f6cf2e66199a08b4dd85f8d04jpgresponse-cache-controlmax-age2628000

    When you say it comes back a bit stronger....

    He is still a 3/2 ( or whatever his stats are) even with a hundred reinforcements
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    khurram said:
    FindingHeart8 said:
    squee is one of the cards I've been eyeing (and hope I pack), he's basically an unkillable creature (like Relentless Dead from Innistrad), every time he dies he comes back a bit stronger, so he'd be really good to use in a creature sacrifice deck, or with a support that gives your creatures vigilance.

    Also he's the snazziest goblin in all of mtg history

    httpsdfep0xlbws1yscloudfrontnetthumbs4cc84cc82e6f6cf2e66199a08b4dd85f8d04jpgresponse-cache-controlmax-age2628000

    When you say it comes back a bit stronger....

    He is still a 3/2 ( or whatever his stats are) even with a hundred reinforcements
    yeah I'm realizing that now.  I don't own the card so I was going off my presumption of the rules based on the wording of the card.

  • Froggy
    Froggy Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
    edited May 2018
    Well...

    Graveyard deck... Anyone?...

    Gather the pack...

    Discarding your own hand... And just target your own Squee once with a destroy spell....

    You’ll pay 20 mana once. The rest will be... insane. 

    EDIT: I don’t have this card, but I can’t wait to get my hands on it.
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    Well, then its in the graveyard, comes back and is reinforced, still being a 3/2..or did I miss the irony?
    It's relentless depala - just without the fetch effect of one of those two!

  • Froggy
    Froggy Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
    Not sure. They use the word reinforcementS - that plural. If someone has this card, please be so kind to test it. Pretty please...
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    Froggy said:
    Not sure. They use the word reinforcementS - that plural. If someone has this card, please be so kind to test it. Pretty please...
    I
     have. I did.
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2018

    @Laeuftbeidir

    Here is a snippet of my comment from another thread I was posting in [Leader?]

    "He is basically a respawning unit that provides the fuel for the following cards:

    Fungal Plots: (G) support … UC

    Goblin Barrage: ( R ) Spell … UC

    Goblin Warchief: ( R ) Creature … UC

    Mox Amber: (colorless) Support … M

    Siege-Gang Commander: ( R ) Creature … R

    Skirk Prospector: ( R ) Creature … C

    Torgaar, Famine Incarnate: ( B ) Creature … R

    Vicious Offering: ( B ) Spell … C

    Zahid, Djinn of the Lamp: ( U ) Creature … R


    He easily provides the necessary requirements to cast these cards and the developers cleverly found a way to make sure we would use him by making sure he comes back with all his reinforcements. In short, exile is his achilles heel."


    I hope that helps explain why I said that Squee is an engine for that mechanic


    *** note: not all are goblins of course. but I did focus on cards that Squee would likely be used in conjunction with.


  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    Thanks! I'll definetely make sure to try all mentioned cards (if I have those) and then re-evaluate this card!
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2018
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    Thanks! I'll definetely make sure to try all mentioned cards (if I have those) and then re-evaluate this card!
    You're most welcome! A small favor though, could you give us an honest opinion on how well or effective Squee really is when used in the manner intended? His cost is awful high, So I am making an educated guess that there has to be something that we are missing in the equation regarding his effectiveness. Any feedback would be awesome. Have fun!
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    I'll be curious if anyone could make him work. He seems to pale in comparison to the other Leader, Slimefoot, who is simply awesome.
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    So, first things first : it works as expected.. But it's just a small niche strategy.

    The fungal plot is definetely made for slime foot and doesn't fit him. It eats the saprolings before it eats the squee.

    Zhahid eats supports.

    All goblin related works with him, but the synergies are.. Silver tier IMO. I don't think you could be competitive in platinum or even gold with it. The spell giving - 8..Well.. It works fine, there are just better, more mana efficient cards.

    The best use for him when trying was actually as a target for reclaim, the two belong together.
    The only cards that could make this creature really interesting are
    Mox amber and
    Torgaar, Famine incarnate
    I have neither of those. Without them, I don't think we'll see him a lot in any tier above silver.

    All of those cards work with any (token) reinforcement if I understood it correctly. Most token generators will be superior IMO.
  • Froggy
    Froggy Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    Froggy said:
    Not sure. They use the word reinforcementS - that plural. If someone has this card, please be so kind to test it. Pretty please...
    I
     have. I did.
    Sad to hear it. I was actually looking forward to abusing this card... 😒
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    Laeuftbeidir said:

    All goblin related works with him, but the synergies are.. Silver tier IMO. I don't think you could be competitive in platinum or even gold with it. The spell giving - 8..Well.. It works fine, there are just better,
    totally misread the words I bolded in your comment as "Sliver tier" and got super excited for a moment.  Took a moment to imagine goblins as mtgpq's version of slivers, and then my dreams plummeted like a meteor as I finished reading what you wrote ;)
  • Gunmix25
    Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    So, first things first : it works as expected.. But it's just a small niche strategy.

    The fungal plot is definetely made for slime foot and doesn't fit him. It eats the saprolings before it eats the squee.

    Zhahid eats supports.

    All goblin related works with him, but the synergies are.. Silver tier IMO. I don't think you could be competitive in platinum or even gold with it. The spell giving - 8..Well.. It works fine, there are just better, more mana efficient cards.

    The best use for him when trying was actually as a target for reclaim, the two belong together.
    The only cards that could make this creature really interesting are
    Mox amber and
    Torgaar, Famine incarnate
    I have neither of those. Without them, I don't think we'll see him a lot in any tier above silver.

    All of those cards work with any (token) reinforcement if I understood it correctly. Most token generators will be superior IMO.

    Thank you for taking a moment to give us some feedback. Crud, I had hoped that he would be a bit more competitive.

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