Poker talk

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acescracked

Phumade said:

In real world poker (casino gambling),  House backed players are called Shills. Casino/Card houses do this so every game has enough players to keep the action moving and the game fun for paying players.  

The good news is,  the poker dealers will always tell you who is playing on behalf of the house, and the specific betting/calling rules that the shill will play by.  (i.e. If a shill raises,  it means 3 of kind or better).

I share that anecdote to give you a sense of how other forms of entertainment alert players of "in house" experts and how they explicitly define the rules that "in house" players operate under.

draw you own conclusion on how they should self identify

Whoa, alot wrong in the above post.

House players or poker props aren't "shills". A shill conceals their working relationship with the house or whomever.

In "real world poker" the house doesn't have a stake in who wins or loses. The house collects a rake or drop. Thus poker props get paid by the hour to "prop" short games and help start games.

They play their own money so definitely don't have set betting rules. That would be nuts. There are great, good or bad house players.

BTW, in Vegas poker props have to wear a casino ID. Southern California they don't..but if you play with any regularity you know who the props are.

Anyway, the fact that developers play hidden or otherwise wouldn't matter in mpq unless they gave themselves free resources. They have no inherent advantage unless they did. 

Phumade

acescracked said:

Phumade said:

In real world poker (casino gambling),  House backed players are called Shills. Casino/Card houses do this so every game has enough players to keep the action moving and the game fun for paying players.  

The good news is,  the poker dealers will always tell you who is playing on behalf of the house, and the specific betting/calling rules that the shill will play by.  (i.e. If a shill raises,  it means 3 of kind or better).

I share that anecdote to give you a sense of how other forms of entertainment alert players of "in house" experts and how they explicitly define the rules that "in house" players operate under.

draw you own conclusion on how they should self identify

Whoa, alot wrong in the above post.

House players or poker props aren't "shills". A shill conceals their working relationship with the house or whomever.

In "real world poker" the house doesn't have a stake in who wins or loses. The house collects a rake or drop. Thus poker props get paid by the hour to "prop" short games and help start games.

They play their own money so definitely don't have set betting rules. That would be nuts. There are great, good or bad house players.

BTW, in Vegas poker props have to wear a casino ID. Southern California they don't..but if you play with any regularity you know who the props are.

Anyway, the fact that developers play hidden or otherwise wouldn't matter in mpq unless they gave themselves free resources. They have no inherent advantage unless they did. 

aren't there some versions where the house will stake them but tell them you have to check every hand,  bet only on 3s or better blah blah???  They are deffinetly hourly staff, but it was the house's money all the way. and no doubt they were exiting as soon as real paying customers were available

Phumade

I definitely know alot of places that will eliminate the rake if its 3 players or less.  Maybe an "auto" player who's just paying for big and little blinds is actually cheaper than eliminating the rake for 3handed tables?

acescracked

Crazy side derail topic hah. 

None of those things above are correct. House players or not; in poker players can chop the small & big blind and pay a $1 drop instead of the full $7. Heads up it might not be worth to play and pay $7

In California, the casino by law cannot have a stake in poker or table games even (rake or collection). So cannot be the houses money the prop uses.

In Vegas, again the prop uses their own money. Not one poker game in 18 years of playing and about 4 different states have I seen what you've described.

Phumade

acescracked said:

Crazy side derail topic hah. 

None of those things above are correct. House players or not; in poker players can chop the small & big blind and pay a $1 drop instead of the full $7. Heads up it might not be worth to play and pay $7

In California, the casino by law cannot have a stake in poker or table games even (rake or collection). So cannot be the houses money the prop uses.

In Vegas, again the prop uses their own money. Not one poker game in 18 years of playing and about 4 different states have I seen what you've described.

no it was definitely a Nevada casino.  I'm in Tahoe Ca.  so decent variety.  I knew she was a marketing manager in the casino.   I should watched more carefully on how her bankroll got managed.  but she made it super obvious about her betting rules.

Always checked,
never raised,
never called a bet unless she had trips or better.

She personally never said those rules,  but other people were actively discussing it at the table

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abmoraz

Phumade said:

I definitely know alot of places that will eliminate the rake if its 3 players or less.  Maybe an "auto" player who's just paying for big and little blinds is actually cheaper than eliminating the rake for 3handed tables?

 I can't speak for everywhere, but in PA, you must have at least 4 players at a ring table to play.  Less than 3 and the table stops.  The 3 casinos I've played at in PA all wait for 30 minutes for a player(s) to seat to bring them up to 4+ or 30 minutes, at which time they will close the table.  If the players at the table agree before that time limit, the table can be closed then.

The table is at half-rake if there are 6 or less players and full rake if there are 7 or more.