Who are the legacy events for?

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  • Gilesclone
    Gilesclone Posts: 735 Critical Contributor
    Legacy is a real problem going forward.  I’m in a very solid coalition, but between a third and half of them have no Legacy collections 
  • ard021
    ard021 Posts: 39 Just Dropped In

    Gilesclone said:
    Legacy is a real problem going forward.  I’m in a very solid coalition, but between a third and half of them have no Legacy collections 
    I haven't seen any coalition events that are legacy since I started playing events (around the release of HOU) aside from Avacyn's Madness, and that's PvE and doesn't require legacy cards for its objectives.  I think as long as legacy PvP is limited to non-coalition events, it's fine.
  • Gideon
    Gideon Posts: 356 Mover and Shaker
    edited April 2018
    I wasn’t suggesting that they give us rewards for the  new modes. I am suggesting a buy in or a bet. Let’s say I put up my 15 crystals and you put up your 15 crystals. Then the winner takes the crystals. I would gladly buy into live PvP with crystals 10, 20,30,40,50 . Whatever amount it would be or if they tiered it. It would be awesome. At the end of a week, month or year they could give trophies for platinum,gold, silver, bronze. Then you would get benifits for X amount of time if you win the trophy. I believe this would make people buy more crystals and thus providing another avenue of income for the Oktagon.
  • Houdin
    Houdin Posts: 182 Tile Toppler
    wow! This generated quite the backlash didn't it?

    I have to say I agree 100% with @Gideon on this.

    For me it's two fold.

    I could spend my time playing this event for keeps and unless I hit a random bad rng game I will rank top 5. however for 20 pinks and some dupe cards what's the point?

    or I could play for fun and forget the objectives.
    build the most op ridiculous decks I possibly can.

    would that be fun for me? sure.
    would it be fun for someone else if they have to play against it? probably not.

    I have every card in the game excepting masterpieces and 3 ixn mythics. I don't say that to brag but as a point. I really think they need to 

    1. Fix the tier system. it isn't fair for newer players to have to play against my decks and I shouldn't have to feel bad if I play them.

    2. Some kind of content event geared only to end game players. It shouldn't have exclusive cards or anything like that as rewards. instead it should just have some kind of bling to compete for like foil cards or altered skins for the game. something that people will want that doesn't foster the divide between players like myself and newer players that want to reach the top of the ladder. I for one would welcome them to the end game as new players with new deck ideas to compete against. They will never get their however if the end gamers play in the same events as they do and constantly take the top rewards.

    just my two cents worth of course.
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    I don't really read it as a backlash, he posed a question(it was more a vent disguised as a question), and we answered it sincerely.

    Would we want new content instead? Of course! But in the meantime  I'll play whatever else besides nothing. Heck, I'll even play FirF over nothing. 
  • Pavorus
    Pavorus Posts: 9 Just Dropped In
    Legacy events are my favorite. I like being able to play my legacy decks for more than the tiny training grounds prize. I would even like to see some legacy events on weekends.
  • khurram
    khurram Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    bken1234 said:
    Gideon said:
    All of you are happy playing the stale content and that’s fine. I think they should develop more game modes. I want live PvP scheduled events. Two headed giant. 4 player mode with a cross board like chess 4 How about a March madness tournament. I’m more upset that you all appear to be happy with crumbs. I want more cake.

    It's also borderline insulting to insinuate that people are happy with stale content -- every time I play a legacy event, I use new decks and find something to make it interesting. It's only stale if you let it be. 

    It's also borderline insulting to insinuate that people who want something new and are tired of playing the same old events (when was the first terrors event... 2016?)  are not creative enough to make "new" decks. If people have to make up their own objectives, forgoe them altogether or create their own rules for it to just make things feeling fresh and interesting then it means there must be something lacking in the event itself or that the event probably has been around for too long and people are tired of going for the same thing over and over again and want something new.

    I personally don't mind the SOI events. (although I'd probably play them more if they were just 24 hours mini events, remember those? Those were a hit) Gives me a reason to dust off those werewolves and eldrazis. But I get where the people who are tired of it are coming from. I dont know much about paper magic but the ideas for new events proposed by @Gideon all sound very interesting. Which brings me to my next point.

    The people who essentially responded with "but resources!!" in reply to some very interesting event propositions. I mean, wow.. seriously? This is the most irrational argument. ALL new content requires work by developers and resources. The same response can be given to players' desire to get ANY new content. By your logic developers should just close shop and and sit there until the game dies, because "resources".

    I assume and hope that the developers want to hear ideas from players for new game content or otherwise there wouldn't be a suggestions or feedback section. So I'd request the players to try not to shut down new suggestions just because they feel like the developers are not up to it. I think oktagon can decide for themselves where or where not to spend their resources.
  • Coilbox
    Coilbox Posts: 202 Tile Toppler
    bken1234 said:
    Gideon said:
    All of you are happy playing the stale content and that’s fine. I think they should develop more game modes. I want live PvP scheduled events. Two headed giant. 4 player mode with a cross board like chess 4 How about a March madness tournament. I’m more upset that you all appear to be happy with crumbs. I want more cake.
    Would you like to find the resources for all of this extra content. 

    I'm happy to see new content after 6 months, and bugs being addressed. 

    I'll take Terrors without complaining because there is so much more that needs to be addressed.  I don't know of any games that constantly puts out new content (ie different game nodes) at the rate some people here expect Oktagon to. 

    It's unfair to criticize them  they released 2 new events in the last month and a half. 

    It's also borderline insulting to insinuate that people are happy with stale content -- every time I play a legacy event, I use new decks and find something to make it interesting. It's only stale if you let it be. 

    Actually, the last new PW's and mechanics implemented, mixed with some old ones from legacy cards result in really sweet and juicy combos. They are old cards and sets, but they just get stale if you want.

    I really love legacy events/decks, and to me they are always welcome.

    Tho' @Gideon mentioned the word 'Tournament' and that actually sounds great... not sure how it could be implemented, but if possible, it'd be exciting indeed.
  • Gideon
    Gideon Posts: 356 Mover and Shaker
    edited April 2018
    @bken1234 Somethingis stale when it gets old. Terror in the shadows is old and it’s starting to mold. There isn’t any real new game content. All the developers have done is give the same events over and over and over again since SOI. They just keep renaming it and giving it new objectives every time a new set comes out. How much resource does that take? My guess would be close to none. If you keep telling them that you’re ok with stale bread that’s exactly what we’ll keep getting. I wish I had a job with a free think tank like they do.Here are some of the things I like about what they are doing. I like that they are going to keep up with paper MTG it is an awesome goal. Booster crafting is great. I’m pretty sure they made more money off of the $20 mythic bundle than they do from the $40 bundle. It’s so nice they offered it twice. Thank you for those things.
  • Sirchombli
    Sirchombli Posts: 322 Mover and Shaker
    The rewards aren't exciting . That I'll give you . I play these events because it gives me an opportunity to build stupid little theme decks that would get absolutely destroyed anywhere else. Like, where else am I going to play cyclevamps ? I like playing my legacy cards, but tg is mostly "how does my deck handle against koth?" Non coalition events never really had amazing rewards . They're just to have fun with. I'd take a little more variety, but that would probably just be EmO or Fate , and I'm cool with never playing those again 
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    Gideon said:
    @bken1234 Somethingis stale when it gets old. Terror in the shadows is old and it’s starting to mold. There isn’t any real new game content. All the developers have done is give the same events over and over and over again since SOI. They just keep renaming it and giving it new objectives every time a new set comes out. How much resource does that take? My guess would be close to none. If you keep telling them that you’re ok with stale bread that’s exactly what we’ll keep getting. I wish I had a job with a free think tank like they do.Here are some of the things I like about what they are doing. I like that they are going to keep up with paper MTG it is an awesome goal. Booster crafting is great. I’m pretty sure they made more money off of the $20 mythic bundle than they do from the $40 bundle. It’s so nice they offered it twice. Thank you for those things.
    Please, tell me which old events Across Ixalan, RtO and Battle of Four Tribes were recycled from. 

    I’d honestly like to know because they are creative and interesting.  I must be ignoring the predecessors they were cloned from because they are all like nothing I’ve ever played in this game and I’ve been here since the first 2 weeks. 
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    Gideon said:
    @bken1234 Somethingis stale when it gets old. Terror in the shadows is old and it’s starting to mold. There isn’t any real new game content. All the developers have done is give the same events over and over and over again since SOI. They just keep renaming it and giving it new objectives every time a new set comes out. How much resource does that take? My guess would be close to none. If you keep telling them that you’re ok with stale bread that’s exactly what we’ll keep getting. I wish I had a job with a free think tank like they do.Here are some of the things I like about what they are doing. I like that they are going to keep up with paper MTG it is an awesome goal. Booster crafting is great. I’m pretty sure they made more money off of the $20 mythic bundle than they do from the $40 bundle. It’s so nice they offered it twice. Thank you for those things.
    Please do remember that this is an app game, which (at least in my experience of the couple-hundred I've played) have a fairly-limited range when it comes to significantly-different gameplay modes.  Mtgpq already has the option of multiple events and story mode (which I wish they would expand on) and newer events that @bken1234 has already pointed out have very different mechanics.  Honestly, this is one of the most immerse app games I've ever played, which is partially why I've stayed here as long as I have.

    If your issues are that you need substantially different mechanics to enjoy the gameplay, I'd recommend having a few other games to play to satisfy those cravings.  It's unrealistic to expect mtgpq to be your all-compassing, swiss-army knife of app games.

    That being said, I do think a big issue we have here is the lack of events we have had up until a few days ago.  A healthy flow of different events is a refreshing experience.
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited April 2018
    Gideon said:
    And the sheep chime in.Where are these very different mechanics? Point them out to me. I must be missing them.It’s hard for me to believe that you are  blind to these events being almost carbon copies since you have been here since the beginning  . Across Ixalan is Totp all they did was add turn triggers on each node. Do I have to go on. Stop defending what can’t be defended. Nodes to kill a boss . Haven’t done that before right? What....ever. I think I’ll just quit the forums where the bken sheep graze. It is time for me to find greener pastures .
    that's excessive man, we're trying to have an open discussion with you on this.  Just because you don't agree with our points doesn't mean we're mindless sheep.

    However, if your only goal here was an echo chamber for what is now appearing to be a tantrum then yeah...look to other fields.
  • Theros
    Theros Posts: 490 Mover and Shaker
    Legacy PvP is not worth my time considering the mediocre rewards. Indeed legacy has become too stale for me and I would like to see it gone for more refreshing and rewarding content.
    There are people who like legacy PvP but it should not be emphasized over new content, once a week or two is enough.
    Legacy PvE and coalition legacy PvE on the other hand are fun and rewarding
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards
    bken1234 said:
    Please, tell me which old events Across Ixalan, RtO and Battle of Four Tribes were recycled from. 

    I’d honestly like to know because they are creative and interesting.  I must be ignoring the predecessors they were cloned from because they are all like nothing I’ve ever played in this game and I’ve been here since the first 2 weeks. 
    Well Across Ixalan is using the same backdrop as TotP, RtO is a spin on NoP, and BoFT is a spin on Avacyn's madness. They changed the objectives, added some in game overlays (which I like a lot!), but hopefully you can understand his point. Its pretty much the same thing with some tweaks. (Actually wish they would bring back the rotating nodes from the old Terrors).

    I think what @Gideon is looking for is truly new content.  Actual PvP like he mentioned.  What about a gem board with something other than a 7x7 structure? Perhaps a format where you have to play with the same walker/deck in several different fights in a row that get progressively harder.  The power 9 and affiliates are some of the ones who arbitrarily add additional overlays to change up some of the redundant content with internal challenges which is fun.

    It seems to me that Gideon has a valid point.  For people who have been playing for 2+ years we basically get 1 event per week that is worth playing + AX.  Not saying they shouldn't run Terrors.. I am just saying that they need to keep veteran players engaged as well... and I think everyone agrees with that.

    Not sure why this got so contentious.

  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    Gideon said:
    it was excessive. I apologize. 
    for what it's worth, while I do like the old events and hope they stick around, I would also be on board with new and exciting modes of gameplay. Hopefully once Octagon catches up that might be something to discuss :)
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    DumasAG said:
    FindingHeart8 said:
    Gideon said:
    it was excessive. I apologize. 
    for what it's worth, while I do like the old events and hope they stick around, I would also be on board with new and exciting modes of gameplay. Hopefully once Octagon catches up that might be something to discuss :)
    Speaking of new modes, I would LOVE to see a special sealed event the first week of the new set. You get entry to the event and a premium pack (so 5 packs plus the guaranteed rare) of the new set. Then you are only allowed to use those cards in the event! It would help people get a foothold in the new set and get everyone hyped up about the cards! Rewards wouldn't even need to be stellar.
    that would be a lot of fun!  I'd sink some heavy crystals (or maybe even cash) into that. :)

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