Transformation into a MTGPQ Wereslug?
FindingHeart8
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Hey guys,
Anyone else dragging their feet in playing recently?
With the lack of new events (1 Ixalan mini-event since release), the lack of desire to get new cards, the harder AI but just with old strategies I've already faced hundreds of times before, the few times I've faced a player running new cards they've been a joke at best (they make AI-run cycling decks look challenging), but I've been feeling very "meh" about playing recently.
We're supposed to be on a new chapter of mtg, but it doesn't feel like it for me. These updates seem to translate to "work harder, in the same events, with the same cards, and you don't even want the carrot we'll give you for winning."
Meh
Anyone else dragging their feet in playing recently?
With the lack of new events (1 Ixalan mini-event since release), the lack of desire to get new cards, the harder AI but just with old strategies I've already faced hundreds of times before, the few times I've faced a player running new cards they've been a joke at best (they make AI-run cycling decks look challenging), but I've been feeling very "meh" about playing recently.
We're supposed to be on a new chapter of mtg, but it doesn't feel like it for me. These updates seem to translate to "work harder, in the same events, with the same cards, and you don't even want the carrot we'll give you for winning."
Meh
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Superpowered Greg actually has me excited to play nodes. Before events were just going through the motions. Matches are now not only more challenging, but I am really enjoying carefully watching our smarter AI and figuring out what it can and cannot do.
The more I watch it, the more impressed I am with Oktagon -- as they seem to have figured out how to transform our AI wereslug into something that will eventually be worth playing.
As far as stale content -- I've been playing this game since the first week, it's par for the course.
I am actually enjoying test driving the Ixalan cards, have found some hidden gems and look forward to seeing what they can do in events. Having this time is kindof nice because I get to take the time to understand how they work and the synergy before I have to shove them into decks.0 -
I don't feel like I'm working harder. The AI change is actually a bit refreshing. The lack of new events and XLN packs as rewards is a bit of a bummer. Hopefully Across Ixalan will get fixed soon.1
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Yeah I understand that the more challenging AI is a fairly divisive topic with reasonable minds weighing in on both sides. It's not that I don't enjoy a good brawl with the AI once and a while, it's that the current events can get fairly repetitive; sometimes you want to just clear the level and move onto the next, and not feel like every battle is the Final Boss. And this is still before Octagon's card "re-balancing."bken1234 said:Superpowered Greg actually has me excited to play nodes. Before events were just going through the motions. Matches are now not only more challenging, but I am really enjoying carefully watching our smarter AI and figuring out what it can and cannot do.
The more I watch it, the more impressed I am with Oktagon -- as they seem to have figured out how to transform our AI wereslug into something that will eventually be worth playing.
As far as stale content -- I've been playing this game since the first week, it's par for the course.
I am actually enjoying test driving the Ixalan cards, have found some hidden gems and look forward to seeing what they can do in events. Having this time is kindof nice because I get to take the time to understand how they work and the synergy before I have to shove them into decks.
You've got me beat on game-longevity, but I do remember being excited when Innistrad, Amonkhet, and HoD came out, and hundreds of hours of gameplay later still being happy.
Perhaps if I faced more good Ixalan decks or the new planeswalker (still yet to see her out there), it might refresh my view. Until then though...still meh...
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I'm liking the new AI. Makes the games way more enjoyable. My biggest turn off right now is that the best Ixalan cards I opened were bugged to hell, so I can't play them, and the update also broke my newest and most enjoyable deck. So the devs upped my enjoyment by improving the AI and then took it right back by giving me cards that don't work.
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I have also been playing mtgpq since the start and Ixalan is definitely the least exciting set ever released. Most hyped and most disappointing. I have remained positive when austerity hit and through every rise and fall but the sluggish and tedious direction octagon seems to be taking the game in terms of card design has had me worried for the game.FindingHeart8 said:
Yeah I understand that the more challenging AI is a fairly divisive topic with reasonable minds weighing in on both sides. It's not that I don't enjoy a good brawl with the AI once and a while, it's that the current events can get fairly repetitive; sometimes you want to just clear the level and move onto the next, and not feel like every battle is the Final Boss. And this is still before Octagon's card "re-balancing."bken1234 said:Superpowered Greg actually has me excited to play nodes. Before events were just going through the motions. Matches are now not only more challenging, but I am really enjoying carefully watching our smarter AI and figuring out what it can and cannot do.
The more I watch it, the more impressed I am with Oktagon -- as they seem to have figured out how to transform our AI wereslug into something that will eventually be worth playing.
As far as stale content -- I've been playing this game since the first week, it's par for the course.
I am actually enjoying test driving the Ixalan cards, have found some hidden gems and look forward to seeing what they can do in events. Having this time is kindof nice because I get to take the time to understand how they work and the synergy before I have to shove them into decks.
You've got me beat on game-longevity, but I do remember being excited when Innistrad, Amonkhet, and HoD came out, and hundreds of hours of gameplay later still being happy.
Perhaps if I faced more good Ixalan decks or the new planeswalker (still yet to see her out there), it might refresh my view. Until then though...still meh...
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The new Planeswalker is embarrassingly bad - easily the worst PW in the game - and the cards she's supposed to work with are also bad, which just compounds the problem. (Not to mention that half of the enrage dinos are....green. The better half, no less!) I have run into a few of her and most of them barely did anything the entire match.FindingHeart8 said:Perhaps if I faced more good Ixalan decks or the new planeswalker (still yet to see her out there), it might refresh my view. Until then though...still meh...
I do think there's got to be some good Ixalan decks possible (under other PWs), particularly around pirates which seem promising (probably a Bolas deck), but I haven't run into any yet. I have a feeling that we're in a lull where the novelty value of playing with new cards has worn off for the big spenders but everyone else hasn't gotten enough Ixalan cards to really make a go of it yet. Unless we see some more events that reward Ixalan packs we may be in that lull for a while.
The impression I'm left with, post-release-of-Ixalan, is that Oktagon thought they could make life easy for themselves by copying WotC's paper cards as closely as possible, with as few changes as possible...and completely failed to grasp the extent to which PQ is a different game with different rules that requires different design choices. Basic mechanics - the way vigilance works, the fact that defender, berserker and vigilance are drawbacks on most creatures, the fact that damage on creatures isn't cleared at the end of a turn, the fact that gem matches can commonly destroy supports without needing to play cards, even the fact that a R/W planeswalker can't run green dinos - I find myself constantly wondering whether Oktagon actually understood these things, which is not the feeling I want to have when I'm using a new set. I've no doubt the folks at Oktagon are big fans of paper MtG, but I seriously wonder how much time they spent playing MTGPQ before they started coding new cards for it.
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I'm finding Ixalan underwhelming sofar also.
But my hope is that Octagon has the future of the game in mind and following sets will make us see the mindset.
Our only comparison is what was there before and we judge and measure against that instead of, again hopefully, Octagon comparing to what will come next.
Usually I'm not a " Glass half-full" kind of guy but this game has something no other game has for me so I'm hoping for the best.0 -
The worst in the game?? Worse than Chandra2 or Lilly1??Stormcrow said:
The new Planeswalker is embarrassingly bad - easily the worst PW in the game - and the cards she's supposed to work with are also bad, which just compounds the problem. (Not to mention that half of the enrage dinos are....green. The better half, no less!) I have run into a few of her and most of them barely did anything the entire match.FindingHeart8 said:Perhaps if I faced more good Ixalan decks or the new planeswalker (still yet to see her out there), it might refresh my view. Until then though...still meh...
Do you know what her final mana bonuses are? I was really hoping she'd be more than a +3 red and +3 white.
Yeah I suspect they didn't put a lot of effort into the set either, as the sneak peek seemed to suggest.
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All three of the new Planeswalkers have level 60 stats listed in the Planeswalker Details section already. Also, the AI spamming Lilly1's first ability can be really annoying. I've only faced Huatli a few times, but I can't see her being that annoying without some pretty nice cards.
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the listing I've seen referenced on here was during the sneek peak release, without specific details to the abilities and no mana bonuses listed. Did I miss a more updated version?DBJones said:All three of the new Planeswalkers have level 60 stats listed in the Planeswalker Details section already. Also, the AI spamming Lilly1's first ability can be really annoying. I've only faced Huatli a few times, but I can't see her being that annoying without some pretty nice cards.
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Makes me sad the hate Liliana 1 gets. I love her--first PW I maxed. Admittedly I don't play her much now, just give her a bump up on mana.FindingHeart8 said:
The worst in the game?? Worse than Chandra2 or Lilly1??Stormcrow said:8
The new Planeswalker is embarrassingly bad - easily the worst PW in the game - and the cards she's supposed to work with are also bad, which just compounds the problem. (Not to mention that half of the enrage dinos are....green. The better half, no less!) I have run into a few of her and most of them barely did anything the entire match.FindingHeart8 said:Perhaps if I faced more good Ixalan decks or the new planeswalker (still yet to see her out there), it might refresh my view. Until then though...still meh...
Do you know what her final mana bonuses are? I was really hoping she'd be more than a +3 red and +3 white.
Yeah I suspect they didn't put a lot of effort into the set either, as the sneak peek seemed to suggest.3 -
I don't think she's outright bad, exactly.... but one of her big issues right now is that enrage is broken. I've used her third ability to trigger enrage, but if a dino has already been enraged, dealing it damage doesn't trigger it again for some reason. That's a big problem considering how her abilities are set up to help trigger that ability.Stormcrow said:
The new Planeswalker is embarrassingly bad - easily the worst PW in the game - and the cards she's supposed to work with are also bad, which just compounds the problem. (Not to mention that half of the enrage dinos are....green. The better half, no less!) I have run into a few of her and most of them barely did anything the entire match.FindingHeart8 said:Perhaps if I faced more good Ixalan decks or the new planeswalker (still yet to see her out there), it might refresh my view. Until then though...still meh...
I do think there's got to be some good Ixalan decks possible (under other PWs), particularly around pirates which seem promising (probably a Bolas deck), but I haven't run into any yet. I have a feeling that we're in a lull where the novelty value of playing with new cards has worn off for the big spenders but everyone else hasn't gotten enough Ixalan cards to really make a go of it yet. Unless we see some more events that reward Ixalan packs we may be in that lull for a while.
The impression I'm left with, post-release-of-Ixalan, is that Oktagon thought they could make life easy for themselves by copying WotC's paper cards as closely as possible, with as few changes as possible...and completely failed to grasp the extent to which PQ is a different game with different rules that requires different design choices. Basic mechanics - the way vigilance works, the fact that defender, berserker and vigilance are drawbacks on most creatures, the fact that damage on creatures isn't cleared at the end of a turn, the fact that gem matches can commonly destroy supports without needing to play cards, even the fact that a R/W planeswalker can't run green dinos - I find myself constantly wondering whether Oktagon actually understood these things, which is not the feeling I want to have when I'm using a new set. I've no doubt the folks at Oktagon are big fans of paper MtG, but I seriously wonder how much time they spent playing MTGPQ before they started coding new cards for it.I'll agree that pirates have been pretty good. They work in Bolas, but you don't need him to run the deck. I've done it well enough with Sarkhan and Saheeli as well. More consistent mana gains, which is nice. With the cards I've pulled, as long as I can run red, pirates are able to get going.0 -
Liliana 1 is still a serviceable pw with the right cards and still one of the more unique pws ever created. Don't understand L1 hate either.FindingHeart8 said:
The worst in the game?? Worse than Chandra2 or Lilly1??Stormcrow said:
The new Planeswalker is embarrassingly bad - easily the worst PW in the game - and the cards she's supposed to work with are also bad, which just compounds the problem. (Not to mention that half of the enrage dinos are....green. The better half, no less!) I have run into a few of her and most of them barely did anything the entire match.FindingHeart8 said:Perhaps if I faced more good Ixalan decks or the new planeswalker (still yet to see her out there), it might refresh my view. Until then though...still meh...
Do you know what her final mana bonuses are? I was really hoping she'd be more than a +3 red and +3 white.
Yeah I suspect they didn't put a lot of effort into the set either, as the sneak peek seemed to suggest.1 -
L1 is still my go-to for Terrors in the Shadows -- I love her and she holds up better than any of the other original 5 in Platinum.FindingHeart8 said:The worst in the game?? Worse than Chandra2 or Lilly1??
Do you know what her final mana bonuses are? I was really hoping she'd be more than a +3 red and +3 white.
Yeah I suspect they didn't put a lot of effort into the set either, as the sneak peek seemed to suggest.
I would say Hautli is worse than her by far --- you can check her abilities and mana gains at any level at www.mtgpq.info1 -
Okay, so....I will confess that when I was writing that, I had entirely forgotten that Chandra 2 even existed, that's how little I've used her. So...Huatli might be tied with Chandra 2, then.The worst in the game?? Worse than Chandra2 or Lilly1??
But Lili 1? You're joking right? Lili 1 is a BEAST if used correctly. Totally a monster. I still haven't lucked into Dreamstealer or I'd use her more often, but she's still extremely dangerous when used correctly. I had a lot of fun with a madness deck when SOI/EMN were the hot thing and I still dust it off occasionally. (Honestly I should probably run it more in Legacy events now, there's less risk of running into other people running madness cards now. It's always been an automatic loss against Welcome to the Fold...) Lili 1's only real issue, like all the original 5, is totally sub-par mana gains.
The worst of the original 5 PWs are Jace and Chandra 1, and it's because they used to be too good (back when there were only 5 PWs, Chandra was the Koth of her day and Jace was just ridiculous) and got over-nerfed by Hibernum. Lili 1 is a strong contender for best of the original 5 though.
I didn't even realize Enrage was broken. I only have the 2 red enrage dinos though, and they're not good so I haven't really bothered to explore it. Probably not a good sign there, if major bugs are going relatively unnoticed because nobody cares enough to try and make the cards work.
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Ask and ye shall receive!Firinmahlazer said:I don't feel like I'm working harder. The AI change is actually a bit refreshing. The lack of new events and XLN packs as rewards is a bit of a bummer. Hopefully Across Ixalan will get fixed soon.0 -
L1 is amazing if you build to her. I use her all the time.FindingHeart8 said:
The worst in the game?? Worse than Chandra2 or Lilly1??Stormcrow said:
The new Planeswalker is embarrassingly bad - easily the worst PW in the game - and the cards she's supposed to work with are also bad, which just compounds the problem. (Not to mention that half of the enrage dinos are....green. The better half, no less!) I have run into a few of her and most of them barely did anything the entire match.FindingHeart8 said:Perhaps if I faced more good Ixalan decks or the new planeswalker (still yet to see her out there), it might refresh my view. Until then though...still meh...
Do you know what her final mana bonuses are? I was really hoping she'd be more than a +3 red and +3 white.
Yeah I suspect they didn't put a lot of effort into the set either, as the sneak peek seemed to suggest.2 -
Yeah, I got all pws that were for gold in the vault, and Lili 1 is one of the few mono walkers I play with regulary..with the right setup one of the best and walkers. I even use her to beat bolas with a creature based deck.
back to topic.. I somehow like the new set. I like the feeling of the cards :but the release was the worst so far. I was able to play one event with those cards, and have been locked out for nearly a week after that. Missed the weekend event (I was able to log in 45 minutes before it ended) All current events give no ixalan cards at all? Other sets were discounted but not ixalan? It feels like they don't want to give us those new toys
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Sort of. Specifically, all three Ixalan Planeswalkers now have official threads here: https://forums.d3go.com/categories/planeswalker-detailsFindingHeart8 said:
the listing I've seen referenced on here was during the sneek peak release, without specific details to the abilities and no mana bonuses listed. Did I miss a more updated version?DBJones said:All three of the new Planeswalkers have level 60 stats listed in the Planeswalker Details section already. Also, the AI spamming Lilly1's first ability can be really annoying. I've only faced Huatli a few times, but I can't see her being that annoying without some pretty nice cards.
All levels of abilities are listed specifically, along with level 60 health and mana gains.
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Also for Hautli -- since she has been released, she is updated on the mtgpq.info site which means you can use her slider and check her stats at any level.FindingHeart8 said:the listing I've seen referenced on here was during the sneek peak release, without specific details to the abilities and no mana bonuses listed. Did I miss a more updated version?1
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