Patch Notes - 5/8 - Storm and Falcon changes

mouser

kermitk50 wrote:

charlesjbarry wrote:

Now I can finally get that black OBW cover I've been waiting over a month for.

Only a month? Im already pretty well into my 3* transition and still are missing two for her black!

I'd recommend buying the 4th cover with HP. It's probably the best bang for the buck out there.

Nonce Equitaur 2

Based on the new Daken and the proposed Storm, I'm guessing everyone at D3 has a mohawk now.

Unknown

Lerysh wrote:

This is a refreshing change. One that seems to help the mid level player. It does, however, raise the question will anyone buy a standard token for 500 ISO again? I guess if you are going 100k at a time for 3*s, but that's about the only time.

Did anybody really ever anyway? 500 iso is better used lvling or using for boosts. Only ppl.buying standards with iso were newer players who didn't know better I thought. Or players with a gambling addiction and no.more hp lol.

TazFTW

Nonce Equitaur 2 wrote:

Based on the new Daken and the proposed Storm, I'm guessing everyone at D3 has a mohawk now.

5 star B.A. Baracus?

Unknown

soenottelling wrote:

Lerysh wrote:

This is a refreshing change. One that seems to help the mid level player. It does, however, raise the question will anyone buy a standard token for 500 ISO again? I guess if you are going 100k at a time for 3*s, but that's about the only time.

Did anybody really ever anyway? 500 iso is better used lvling or using for boosts. Only ppl.buying standards with iso were newer players who didn't know better I thought. Or players with a gambling addiction and no.more hp lol.

TINYKITTY YES! I am a big fan of the 500 ISO standard tokens. I've said this before, my 3* rates are better when I buy tokens with ISO. And now you get more ISO back for the increased rate of 2* that you'll sell.

Unknown

So adding in the +30, bonus, the possible rewards are now

100
130
170
280.

I approve, but I think battleAnge1 (sp?) should give out 3* covers occasionally...

Unknown

IceIX wrote:

Gameplay

These Comic Cover rewards are balanced in frequency so that the overall Iso-8 rewards assuming that you sell all covers is equal to the previous rewards in Versus.

what does that mean exactly??

CNash

The 2* drops are a very welcome change; I was getting tired of having to place in the middle of tournament rankings all the time just to get one 2* cover. Doesn't mean I'll be placing higher than that, of course... it just took extra effort to maintain. "Got to stay within 200 and 500... fight this guy, but not that guy, he'll give me too many points... ah damn, someone lost to me and now I'm rank 190!"

I do think you need to do something about the 3* covers, though. There are far too many and it's impacting on people's ability to level them up, especially as players will be able to jump from 2* to 3* much faster now (and some new players could even just start with 2* rosters and not have to worry about the awkward 1*-2* transitional phase). This will also speed up the core metagame's progression to 3*/4* covers only, which up until now was kinda steady.

Off the top of my head, you'd either have to radically alter the rewards system (the oft-mentioned "colour token" idea would be a good start; a special token that would grant one cover in the given colour, for any hero) or else collapse or break apart the star tiers, amalgamating 1* and 2* and moving some 3* into 4*, then starting to ramp up production of new 4* heroes.

Unknown

ryu600RR wrote:

IceIX wrote:

Gameplay

These Comic Cover rewards are balanced in frequency so that the overall Iso-8 rewards assuming that you sell all covers is equal to the previous rewards in Versus.

what does that mean exactly??

Previous was probably like:

50% 70 ISO
50% 140 ISO
Average of 105 ISO per match.


New is probably something like:

50% 70 ISO
25% 1* (100 ISO)
20% 140 ISO
5% 2* (250 ISO)
Average of 105 ISO (This is just example. I didn't actually do the math here)


I think he meant keeping the 105 ISO average.

CNash

Kyoku wrote:

New is probably something like:

50% 70 ISO
25% 1* (100 ISO)
20% 140 ISO
5% 2* (250 ISO)
Average of 105 ISO (This is just example. I didn't actually do the math here)

I think he meant keeping the 105 ISO average.

With those figures, the average becomes 140 ISO. (Optimally, +30 to that figure for the non-skip bonus.)

Another thing: on the "Chance to win" scroller, only 2* covers appear. Now, I've had ISO rewards instead, which is fine - but was there no room on the ticker for 1* covers? It might be wise to remove the individual colour covers and just display one cover per character in that field.

TheVulture

What a cool change - will spice things up a bit.

Unknown

CNash wrote:

Kyoku wrote:

New is probably something like:

50% 70 ISO
25% 1* (100 ISO)
20% 140 ISO
5% 2* (250 ISO)
Average of 105 ISO (This is just example. I didn't actually do the math here)

I think he meant keeping the 105 ISO average.

With those figures, the average becomes 140 ISO. (Optimally, +30 to that figure for the non-skip bonus.)

Eh? Granted, these were made-up figures, but I get 35 + 25 + 28 + 12.5 = 100.5, which is actually pretty close.

CNash wrote:

Another thing: on the "Chance to win" scroller, only 2* covers appear. Now, I've had ISO rewards instead, which is fine - but was there no room on the ticker for 1* covers? It might be wise to remove the individual colour covers and just display one cover per character in that field.

I actually kinda wish there was a subset of the 2*s and 1*s you could win from a given match. Say, this node will only give you Bagman, Daken, CStorm, Juggs, and MBW; this other node will give you Wolvie, Bullseye, OBW, Hawkeye, and IM35; etc. It'd be a somewhat interesting way to entice you to fight a certain battle rather than another.

As far as improving the 3* cover situation, I agree - and probably the best bet would be to provide some mechanism for the player to focus on a given 3* in a way that makes 13 covers likely within about a month (assuming that's about how long it takes to get the ISO to level one). I'll offer a few straw man suggestions:

* Let the player re-roll a given cover for 50-ish HP. The result is the same character, different color.
* Let the player choose the cover they win from a tournament for 200-ish HP.
* Let players trade covers within their alliance for an HP or ISO fee.
* Let players buy and sell covers on a world-wide market. (Bring on the cover brokers!)

Unknown

Oooh, I really like this change! I'll be hopefully able to finally max cover those handful elusive 2* I*'m still missing, and respec the ones for which I got **** covers. And then concentrate more on the 3*.

Unknown

Very nice change. I'm 150 days into the game so I don't really care about 2* covers anymore but it's still more fun to to get a 2* cover for a fighht than "just iso".

And I'll add my voice to the 3* situation that needs to be addressed. After those 150 day of active playing, I have exactly ONE 3* with 13 covers. Ok, it's CMag so I shouldn't complain but the rest of my 3* covers are all over the place. I got all 3* characters (18 unless I miscounted) and I got 7 covers per character on average. Unfortunately, 7 covers are too few to actually use a 3*. They only become useable with 10+ covers.

Unknown

I see 100 ISO is now a possible reward, so the actual rewards are now 70/100/140/1*/2*.

Has anyone gotten 250 ISO as a reward? That is basically the same as the 2* cover, so perhaps that ISO reward is possible as well.

CNash

Mehhh wrote:

Eh? Granted, these were made-up figures, but I get 35 + 25 + 28 + 12.5 = 100.5, which is actually pretty close.

*d'oh* This just goes to show that I shouldn't do maths at 2am... you're right of course, I wasn't factoring in the percentage chance of each reward and just treating them as an equal 25% like the prologue node rewards.

Unknown

I love these reward changes, and they don't even benefit me. All my 2-stars are maxed, but even so it reminds me of the earlier stages of the game when you could get cover rewards for fights. I love it!

Now as a next step, could we maybe ask that when a mission gives 500 iso, there is a chance for a 3-star? That would equal out in terms of iso,and also allow us some better progression in the 3-star area. Especially since there are so many now, and getting more all the time.

kensterr

Pleasant change. If ISO was easier to get I would build up another OBW just to save on health packs.

MarvelMan

Ghast wrote:

I see 100 ISO is now a possible reward, so the actual rewards are now 70/100/140/1*/2*.

Has anyone gotten 250 ISO as a reward? That is basically the same as the 2* cover, so perhaps that ISO reward is possible as well.

I pulled 250 ISO a couple times last night.

Unknown

Milkrain wrote:

soenottelling wrote:

Lerysh wrote:

This is a refreshing change. One that seems to help the mid level player. It does, however, raise the question will anyone buy a standard token for 500 ISO again? I guess if you are going 100k at a time for 3*s, but that's about the only time.

Did anybody really ever anyway? 500 iso is better used lvling or using for boosts. Only ppl.buying standards with iso were newer players who didn't know better I thought. Or players with a gambling addiction and no.more hp lol.

TINYKITTY YES! I am a big fan of the 500 ISO standard tokens. I've said this before, my 3* rates are better when I buy tokens with ISO. And now you get more ISO back for the increased rate of 2* that you'll sell.

I know I did this for a good long while as well along with another friend of mine. I guess it's just the gambling aspect of it. You just MIGHT get that cover you want!