Completed sets

bk1234

All commons and uncommons, all Origins and all KLD - AER rares complete. I am currently working on legacy mythics and rares and have a long way to go. 

I have 1315 cards which includes 8 MP. 

Mainloop25

khurram said:

Mainloop25 said:

Avatar of woe is way better than people give it credit for. It's not tier 1 but it's way better than an uncommon. I'm sick of people trashing Avatar of Woe :P Ornithopter is also very underrated 

Ornithopter is indeed awesome. I love it.

But I don't think it sheds a very flattering light on Avatar of Woe if it's "better than an uncommon"   

Thanks for conveniently leaving out "way" in your quote

I think it would be correctly tiered as a mythic on part with Apocalypse Demon, and in the overall scheme of things, a high-tier rare. Way better than an uncommon. 

Mainloop25

Llorence said:

GrizzoMtGPQ said:

I'm maxed out. All sets complete, except for 3 exclusives in HOU and the Masterpieces.

how much money have you spent on the game ?

I think he has spent a lot of money pre-"Not Another Dime", but the reason he was able to complete his collection was because he saved duplicates since summer 2016.

FindingHeart8

Mainloop25 said:

Llorence said:

GrizzoMtGPQ said:

I'm maxed out. All sets complete, except for 3 exclusives in HOU and the Masterpieces.

how much money have you spent on the game ?

I think he has spent a lot of money pre-"Not Another Dime", but the reason he was able to complete his collection was because he saved duplicates since summer 2016.

maybe if he was only missing a few mythics/rares before booster crafting was released.  I had been saving since several months before the original announcement, because it was painful of me to trade in DtG dupe for a mere handful of runes.  I played in every event since the announcement, ranked high in most of them, but only had enough orbs after the booster crafting release to complete Origins and maybe 30% of my missing legacy cards.

I've heard of players sinking thousands of dollars into this game, maybe he's one of 'em.

Matthew

FindingHeart8 said:

I've heard of players sinking thousands of dollars into this game, maybe he's one of 'em.

I highly doubt this is the case. @GrizzoMtGPQ has been around for ages. There are multiple players from my own coalition who netted upwards of 250K orbs because they had been saving since long before the announcement of crafting. Their return was so high for a number of reasons, coalition rewards being one of them, but also because many of them were regular competitors in Quick Battle prior to its erasure. I would hazard a guess that Grizzo falls into that bucket.

Heck, I started saving around March of last year, and still managed to collect 147K runes myself. And that had absolutely nothing to do with spending money, because prior to the arrival of Bolas, my only purchases were Baral, Herald of Anguish, and one rather foolish $100 crystal bundle.

Don't be so quick to label someone a whale. Many of the folks who are actually active on these boards have been playing since nearly the beginning, and their collections are a reflection of that longevity, myself included. To date, I've purchased the aforementioned two mythics, Bolas, and two $100 crystal bundles (once, as I noted, I was foolishly hoping that it would get me Lightning Runner, and once again just recently with the arrival of crafting, so that I could stretch my orbs a little further with the associated discount). That's a total of $340. Nowhere near the "thousand of dollars" you've heard players spend on this game. My collection stands at just over 1340 cards, with 136 mythics and 4 masterpieces. Just over 80 of those mythics were earned for free through the boosters, crystals, and jewels from events. The rest came after crafting got here.

TL;DR: just because someone has a full collection does not mean they're a "whale".

FindingHeart8

Matthew said:

FindingHeart8 said:

I've heard of players sinking thousands of dollars into this game, maybe he's one of 'em.

I highly doubt this is the case. @GrizzoMtGPQ has been around for ages. There are multiple players from my own coalition who netted upwards of 250K orbs because they had been saving since long before the announcement of crafting. Their return was so high for a number of reasons, coalition rewards being one of them, but also because many of them were regular competitors in Quick Battle prior to its erasure. I would hazard a guess that Grizzo falls into that bucket.

Heck, I started saving around March of last year, and still managed to collect 147K runes myself. And that had absolutely nothing to do with spending money, because prior to the arrival of Bolas, my only purchases were Baral, Herald of Anguish, and one rather foolish $100 crystal bundle.

Don't be so quick to label someone a whale. Many of the folks who are actually active on these boards have been playing since nearly the beginning, and their collections are a reflection of that longevity, myself included. To date, I've purchased the aforementioned two mythics, Bolas, and two $100 crystal bundles (once, as I noted, I was foolishly hoping that it would get me Lightning Runner, and once again just recently with the arrival of crafting, so that I could stretch my orbs a little further with the associated discount). That's a total of $340. Nowhere near the "thousand of dollars" you've heard players spend on this game. My collection stands at just over 1340 cards, with 136 mythics and 4 masterpieces. Just over 80 of those mythics were earned for free through the boosters, crystals, and jewels from events. The rest came after crafting got here.

TL;DR: just because someone has a full collection does not mean they're a "whale".

woah man, you don't need to get on a podium for this.  I said "maybe" he's a whale.  Maybe he isn't.  Only he knows the answer to that question.

However, there are a number of players who participate in these threads who strongly support the whale perspective, some having come out and identified as whales.  It is also not unreasonable to suspect that many players with completed collections are whales, given the incredible difficulty in achieving all of the cards pre-booster crafting, and the steep dupe-to-nondupe conversion rate.

Before we knew about booster crafting, there was no reason to hold onto dupes even if the runes they were converted to were unnecessary.  So I'd wager the idea of a large number of players with tons of dupes pre-announcement of booster crafting as unlikely.

Mainloop25

FindingHeart8 said:

Matthew said:

FindingHeart8 said:

I've heard of players sinking thousands of dollars into this game, maybe he's one of 'em.

I highly doubt this is the case. @GrizzoMtGPQ has been around for ages. There are multiple players from my own coalition who netted upwards of 250K orbs because they had been saving since long before the announcement of crafting. Their return was so high for a number of reasons, coalition rewards being one of them, but also because many of them were regular competitors in Quick Battle prior to its erasure. I would hazard a guess that Grizzo falls into that bucket.

Heck, I started saving around March of last year, and still managed to collect 147K runes myself. And that had absolutely nothing to do with spending money, because prior to the arrival of Bolas, my only purchases were Baral, Herald of Anguish, and one rather foolish $100 crystal bundle.

Don't be so quick to label someone a whale. Many of the folks who are actually active on these boards have been playing since nearly the beginning, and their collections are a reflection of that longevity, myself included. To date, I've purchased the aforementioned two mythics, Bolas, and two $100 crystal bundles (once, as I noted, I was foolishly hoping that it would get me Lightning Runner, and once again just recently with the arrival of crafting, so that I could stretch my orbs a little further with the associated discount). That's a total of $340. Nowhere near the "thousand of dollars" you've heard players spend on this game. My collection stands at just over 1340 cards, with 136 mythics and 4 masterpieces. Just over 80 of those mythics were earned for free through the boosters, crystals, and jewels from events. The rest came after crafting got here.

TL;DR: just because someone has a full collection does not mean they're a "whale".

woah man, you don't need to get on a podium for this.  I said "maybe" he's a whale.  Maybe he isn't.  Only he knows the answer to that question.

However, there are a number of players who participate in these threads who strongly support the whale perspective, some having come out and identified as whales.  It is also not unreasonable to suspect that many players with completed collections are whales, given the incredible difficulty in achieving all of the cards pre-booster crafting, and the steep dupe-to-nondupe conversion rate.

Before we knew about booster crafting, there was no reason to hold onto dupes even if the runes they were converted to were unnecessary.  So I'd wager the idea of a large number of players with tons of dupes pre-announcement of booster crafting as unlikely.

Ok but you're also making assumptions based off of information that you are missing. Since he's in my coalition I would know more than you about him. A lot of people started hoarding dupes around late 2016 after rumors started floating around that Hibernum might do more with dupes than just converting to runes. And even more so after we were told that booster crafting would definitely come sometime in the future, which was in early 2017. Being a Plat player who participates and scores highly in every event gets you lots of free cards. Multiply that over almost two years and you'll have a good amount of people sitting on lots of dupes. 

Houdin

I am currently missing 21 cards not including exclusives and MPs. 
I have 5 mps currently.

FindingHeart8

Ok but you're also making assumptions based off of information that you are missing. Since he's in my coalition I would know more than you about him. A lot of people started hoarding dupes around late 2016 after rumors started floating around that Hibernum might do more with dupes than just converting to runes. And even more so after we were told that booster crafting would definitely come sometime in the future, which was in early 2017. Being a Plat player who participates and scores highly in every event gets you lots of free cards. Multiply that over almost two years and you'll have a good amount of people sitting on lots of dupes. 

lol ok, sure.  I don't see the need to be defensive.  I have no actual stake here in Grizzio being (or not being) a whale, beyond casual banter and the follow-up explaining my logical reasoning.  Again, I said maybe

As admirable as it is to see you come to your friend's aid, I'm sure Grizzio is a grown adult fully capable of declaring whether he is or is not a whale.  That being said, it doesn't really matter to me whichever he is.

Aside from Grizzio, I'm skeptical about your claim to "A lot of people" hoarding dupes though.  As rumors could would only really be spreading on these threads, which is only a small sample in comparison to the number of players who play this game.

bk1234

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khurram

@FindingHeart8 you keep throwing assumptions that anyone you face with a complete collection has bought their way to the top. You have talked (in other threads) about these "whales" you have faced during events but there is actually no way for you to know if someone has actually "bought" their way to the top just from facing their decks as currently their are only 2 cards that no one could have gotten except from spending money and those aren't tier1. So are you assuming that anyone you face with a card collection better than yours is a whale and therefore bought their way to the top?

I did explain to you how it's perfectly possible for someone to own every card in the game, in another thread which you conveniently chose to not acknowledge. Players who had been playing since 2016 didn't just accumulate duplicates they have also competed in more events than you over the period and have won more rewards. QB was a major part of that. 

I'll take myself as an example. I was an avid QB player and never spent money until aether revolt. I had 100+ mythics by then through free but competitive play. I have Bought total of 5 individual cards since then. Went on to open 3 of them in free packs later. I have enough resources to craft every card in the game except MPs. Enough to craft even the ones I had bought if I hadn't.

Competitive players didn't hoard their duplicates because they knew that another option was coming (we certainly hoped). They did it because there was simply no value for them in converting. You don't have to visit the forums to realise that. Some of us rather wore it like a badge the number of duplicate mythics we owned.

Kindly don't go around throwing ignorant assumptions about players "buying their way to the top" , who have invested a lot of time in this game to get where they are and then act all "casual-and-cool-who-was-just-remarking-while everybody-got-all-defensive-for-no-reason". It's insulting. And an excuse to justify your losses. (you have mentioned facing and losing to so called whales in another thread).

Mainloop25

FindingHeart8 said:

Ok but you're also making assumptions based off of information that you are missing. Since he's in my coalition I would know more than you about him. A lot of people started hoarding dupes around late 2016 after rumors started floating around that Hibernum might do more with dupes than just converting to runes. And even more so after we were told that booster crafting would definitely come sometime in the future, which was in early 2017. Being a Plat player who participates and scores highly in every event gets you lots of free cards. Multiply that over almost two years and you'll have a good amount of people sitting on lots of dupes. 

lol ok, sure.  I don't see the need to be defensive.  I have no actual stake here in Grizzio being (or not being) a whale, beyond casual banter and the follow-up explaining my logical reasoning.  Again, I said maybe

As admirable as it is to see you come to your friend's aid, I'm sure Grizzio is a grown adult fully capable of declaring whether he is or is not a whale.  That being said, it doesn't really matter to me whichever he is.

Aside from Grizzio, I'm skeptical about your claim to "A lot of people" hoarding dupes though.  As rumors could would only really be spreading on these threads, which is only a small sample in comparison to the number of players who play this game.

I was actually wording it as carefully as I could to not accuse you of being defensive. I was just trying to give you more information  because your musings were based on your lack of it. 

FindingHeart8

Mainloop25 said:

I was actually wording it as carefully as I could to not accuse you of being defensive. I was just trying to give you more information  because your musings were based on your lack of it. 

Thanks for the clarification.  It's easy to misunderstand another's approach on here when all we have to read off of is text, without being able to sense the emotional context behind it.  I was taking the same approach you were; mentioning Grizzio was (to me) merely a gateway to a more abstract conversation, never intended to focus on Grizzio, I thought that was understood when I added "maybe," but perhaps I should have emphasized it further.

As a general rule, I don't get emotionally invested in a thread unless I think it may actually have a significant effect on future game mechanics, which this one does not.  However, I'm glad we're seeing eye to eye

FindingHeart8

khurram said:

@FindingHeart8 you keep throwing assumptions that anyone you face with a complete collection has bought their way to the top. You have talked (in other threads) about these "whales" you have faced during events but there is actually no way for you to know if someone has actually "bought" their way to the top just from facing their decks as currently their are only 2 cards that no one could have gotten except from spending money and those aren't tier1. So are you assuming that anyone you face with a card collection better than yours is a whale and therefore bought their way to the top?

I did explain to you how it's perfectly possible for someone to own every card in the game, in another thread which you conveniently chose to not acknowledge. Players who had been playing since 2016 didn't just accumulate duplicates they have also competed in more events than you over the period and have won more rewards. QB was a major part of that. 

I'll take myself as an example. I was an avid QB player and never spent money until aether revolt. I had 100+ mythics by then through free but competitive play. I have Bought total of 5 individual cards since then. Went on to open 3 of them in free packs later. I have enough resources to craft every card in the game except MPs. Enough to craft even the ones I had bought if I hadn't.

Competitive players didn't hoard their duplicates because they knew that another option was coming (we certainly hoped). They did it because there was simply no value for them in converting. You don't have to visit the forums to realise that. Some of us rather wore it like a badge the number of duplicate mythics we owned.

Kindly don't go around throwing ignorant assumptions about players "buying their way to the top" , who have invested a lot of time in this game to get where they are and then act all "casual-and-cool-who-was-just-remarking-while everybody-got-all-defensive-for-no-reason". It's insulting. And an excuse to justify your losses. (you have mentioned facing and losing to so called whales in another thread).

I never made a claim that everyone with a complete collection has bought their way to the top.  However, (as stated in previous threads that I read before becoming an active on these threads), the calculated amount of money required pre-booster crafting to have obtained all (or even most) of the cards was in $10,000+.  There was also much talk (and data thanks to Volrak) of some cards being considerably easier to acquire than others.  So, given the finite number of events to acquire said cards...while I won't discredit the possibility of some super active players getting super lucky and having most of the best cards pre-booster crafting, I would not conclude that scenario as likely.

While I do not agree with your claims that I "keep throwing assumptions that anyone I face with a complete collection has bought their way to the top," I will admit that I have taken a strong anti-whale stance in previous threads.  However, that was in response to commenters who were advocating for whale elitism, saying things like "F2P players should have no say in this game whatsoever."  As mentioned in previous threads, I am not against players spending money to gain a competitive edge; I just want to help preserve balance so this game is not reduced to a mere pay-to-play.

I do however, apologize for not noticing to your comment in another thread.  I'm fairly active on these threads and sometimes have a lot of catching up to do, I occasionally do miss a response.

JopeX37

I have all of OGW, SOI, and EMN.  I'm two cards away from BFZ(still chasing Drowner), 3 **** rares away from having all of ORI, and Heart of Kiran is the only AER card I'm missing.  I'm about 10 mythics short of KLD and I am still missing a bunch of AKH and HOU, due largely to an extended break I took over the fall.

morgue427

nice wish i was closer, got over 30 rares in bfz then a crazy amount of mythics. amk my next goal jusy 6 mythics left to get on it.