Preventing alliance swapping

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Grazzt wrote:

nazerith wrote:

I don't speak much on the forums but I'll this this, as the leader of the X-men let 5DV do their swapping I wish the best for their morale. Honesty that will be short lived, the game is what it is. We did make another chapter to keep the people close to use that want to see us succeed. Will we swap no, if someone wants to move from X1 to X2 because their play habits change that's what it's there for. As far as S.H.I.E.L.D goes I have a lot of respect for those guys and gals especially Reckless. I'm expecting a very close finish to season 1 and 5DV honestly I don't even factor them in. We did actually get a couple that where unhappy, and good friends with Johnny. Other than that some really great people over there we just couldn't except everyone that wanted to leave 5DV. I love what season 1 has to offer S.H.I.E.L.D and The X-Men in the way of competition, just wish there was a 3rd alliance to compete to make it a bit more interesting. Keep up the good fight S.H.I.E.L.D!!!!!

Sorry to break your little dream here.
Both 5dv and shield have many members haven't done much in the simulator.
Why are you so naive that you think we constantly ranked top 2 in every pvp event but cant do it in season 1?

Lol We finished second without swapping a single member. Guess there are only two top alliances after all. Congratulations on finishing top 25 xmen, lol.

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Wait we are supposed to be playing the SHIELD Simulator?

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Klingsor you could at least be a gracious winner. the xmen pushed both our alliances hard so there is no reason to continue the sly digs. You got the better of them this time. You let your actions do the talking nothing more needs to be said. It was a good event and I would like to give my thanks to all who participated and pushed to the dying minute.

JamieMadrox

theflash12385 wrote:

Wait we are supposed to be playing the SHIELD Simulator?

I thought it was just there for show!

beemand2g wrote:

Klingsor you could at least be a gracious winner. the xmen pushed both our alliances hard so there is no reason to continue the sly digs. You got the better of them this time. You let your actions do the talking nothing more needs to be said. It was a good event and I would like to give my thanks to all who participated and pushed to the dying minute.

No. Your leader publicly insulted all of 5D and sided against us for player swapping. So 5DV beat The X-Men without swapping. And what's this now? The X-Men swapped TWO players in to their alliance AFTER coming at us for it? You're hypocrites and hypocrisy needs to be exposed.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with player swapping, but hypocrisy is something I can't stand.

Also, your hypocrisy negates all arguments you've made thus far that are opposed to player swapping. Good job.

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Sorry who's the leader? No one has attacked you for anything, it was merely a opinion to start discussion I do believe we live in a free society were people are entitled to voice an opinion. I even agreed with your points as an alliance. You won did you not so why would you need to gloat.

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Beee don't waste your time. To argue with irrational people is just irrational.

Clintman

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you all for giving me a reason to visit the Suggestions and Feedback section.

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should we move this post to the Django Alliance Thread?

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Lol i haven't dropped by there for a while

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Jamie Madrox wrote:

No. Your leader publicly insulted all of 5D and sided against us for player swapping.

I did no such thing!!

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Came here to read what was up... Good thing I chose reading this over trying to sleep.

But yeah Reckless is not our leader, but she's an awesome player and best I can tell, a good person.
I didn't take the time to read the whole thread, but I didn't see her insult 5DV.
I like poking at 5DV, but I don't consider what I've done (little competitive trash talk) insulting, maybe I'm wrong?
I think its kind of funny to race with you guys since first and second rewards are the same. But hey my teammates like to play hard, so I try to help them when I can.

Anywho on topic, my opinion:
I think swapping members shortly before the end of a tourney is against the intentions of D3. I like the analogy of a sports team where you have a second and third string, but not a 50th string. So I'd say running anything beyond a few spares is breaching the spirit of the intended 20 man alliance. But I'm sure d3 is pretty happy with your 100 member alliance since it was worth a fair bit of hp.

Just wondering, do the other 5D alliances finish top 100 too?

As far as solutions go, I don't think cool down timers are the way to go, because accidents happen. I think a client and server ban against leaving alliances should be instigated for the last 6 hours of a tourney.
It would be really cool if there was a general alliance reward system ie for every 100k pvp points you alliance earns (while part of that alliance) everyone gets a reward. This could be a running total, separate from season. If someone leave the alliance their points stay, if someone joins they don't bring any points etc.

What do you guys think of this idea?

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If I can just give my 5 cent towards this discussion (the original one).

I know it can be disheartening when your ally is high up in rank and suddenly you best player is been snatched up by another ally or he decides to leave on his own will.
Trying to create a rule that this player has restrictions to not rejoin an ally instantly or on the other hand the ally being punished for kicking/make leave a member.

In the end similar people gather together in one alliance. If you are a highly competitive player and don't mind if you play with such people you will end up in an alliance with people of the same kind. If you are a competitive player that does not want to be on top on every event but generally do well you might end up with a to 50 ally and so on.

There is no point in trying to control people by creating restrictions. It's there choice.

Tik

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Shamusyeah wrote:

Came here to read what was up... Good thing I chose reading this over trying to sleep.

But yeah Reckless is not our leader, but she's an awesome player and best I can tell, a good person.
I didn't take the time to read the whole thread, but I didn't see her insult 5DV.
I like poking at 5DV, but I don't consider what I've done (little competitive trash talk) insulting, maybe I'm wrong?
I think its kind of funny to race with you guys since first and second rewards are the same. But hey my teammates like to play hard, so I try to help them when I can.

Anywho on topic, my opinion:
I think swapping members shortly before the end of a tourney is against the intentions of D3. I like the analogy of a sports team where you have a second and third string, but not a 50th string. So I'd say running anything beyond a few spares is breaching the spirit of the intended 20 man alliance. But I'm sure d3 is pretty happy with your 100 member alliance since it was worth a fair bit of hp.

Just wondering, do the other 5D alliances finish top 100 too?

As far as solutions go, I don't think cool down timers are the way to go, because accidents happen. I think a client and server ban against leaving alliances should be instigated for the last 6 hours of a tourney.
It would be really cool if there was a general alliance reward system ie for every 100k pvp points you alliance earns (while part of that alliance) everyone gets a reward. This could be a running total, separate from season. If someone leave the alliance their points stay, if someone joins they don't bring any points etc.

What do you guys think of this idea?

Yes, all 5DA finished top 50, we had Poisons finished #6 this time.
And sorry for Jamie Madrox's confusion about your leader. But his point was right .
As for Nazerith, you lost without any dignity this time.Kissing shield's @ss for preventing swapping while doing your own is so low by any standard. But thank you for the entertainment and for pushing our limits again.

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That's impressive Grazzts that all 5 came top 50 you guys are really doing well on all fronts. I have a lot of respect for that because that takes a lot of teamwork which I do believe you guys don't always get credit for. I do feel however that you guys could have just let the leaderboard do the talking you proved your ability and have proved it consistently since alliances started. I get that you guys felt you were called out on swaps but end of the day you silenced your critics through your performance which was unreal if I am honest. Your late pushes take a lot of ability and I applaud you guys for your style of play. Grand finishes always make the game more enjoyable.

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beemand2g wrote:

That's impressive Grazzts that all 5 came top 50 you guys are really doing well on all fronts. I have a lot of respect for that because that takes a lot of teamwork which I do believe you guys don't always get credit for. I do feel however that you guys could have just let the leaderboard do the talking you proved your ability and have proved it consistently since alliances started. I get that you guys felt you were called out on swaps but end of the day you silenced your critics through your performance which was unreal if I am honest. Your late pushes take a lot of ability and I applaud you guys for your style of play. Grand finishes always make the game more enjoyable.

Thanks Beee, I respect all the top players here including Nazerith, cuz we all spend lots of time/money getting there.
I also hope we can have a friendly competition between each other.

JamieMadrox

Shamusyeah wrote:

Came here to read what was up... Good thing I chose reading this over trying to sleep.

But yeah Reckless is not our leader, but she's an awesome player and best I can tell, a good person.
I didn't take the time to read the whole thread, but I didn't see her insult 5DV.

I was actually referring to the leader of The X-Men. Sorry for the confusion.

Shamusyeah wrote:

I like poking at 5DV, but I don't consider what I've done (little competitive trash talk) insulting, maybe I'm wrong?
I think its kind of funny to race with you guys since first and second rewards are the same. But hey my teammates like to play hard, so I try to help them when I can.{/quote]
All of 5D feels the same. We love to trash talk you guys, but have the utmost respect for what you do in the game. Competing with SHIELD and the other top alliances makes it a lot more fun to play, even for those of us in junior 5D alliances.

Shamusyeah wrote:

Anywho on topic, my opinion:
I think swapping members shortly before the end of a tourney is against the intentions of D3. I like the analogy of a sports team where you have a second and third string, but not a 50th string. So I'd say running anything beyond a few spares is breaching the spirit of the intended 20 man alliance. But I'm sure d3 is pretty happy with your 100 member alliance since it was worth a fair bit of hp.

I can totally see your side of things and in retrospect I don't completely disagree with reckless' point either, but there has to be a system in place to protect an alliance from multiple top performers leaving an event in the middle that doesn't adversely impact the alliance's standing too much.

Shamusyeah wrote:

Just wondering, do the other 5D alliances finish top 100 too?

2 in the top 10, 2 more in the top 20 (17), and all 5 in the top 50.

Shamusyeah wrote:

As far as solutions go, I don't think cool down timers are the way to go, because accidents happen. I think a client and server ban against leaving alliances should be instigated for the last 6 hours of a tourney.{/quote]
In general I like this, but it could still allow a disgruntled play to not play and thus impact the alliance's standings. This would mean that ever player would have to put up an extra 100 points to cover the inactive player.

Shamusyeah wrote:

It would be really cool if there was a general alliance reward system ie for every 100k pvp points you alliance earns (while part of that alliance) everyone gets a reward. This could be a running total, separate from season. If someone leave the alliance their points stay, if someone joins they don't bring any points etc.

What do you guys think of this idea?

This I can get behind wholeheartedly as a concept, but I think that the alliances are already rewarded more than adequately.

Dormammu

We have a few members in our alliance with underdeveloped rosters who didn't have a Patch cover, which was severely limiting their ability to get points in Heroic Osborne, because they couldn't access the many nodes where a Patch cover is needed. Their only hope of quickly obtaining one was for our alliance to place top 100 in Top Gun. We were all talking about it in the in-game alliance chat. With 30 minutes left in Top Gun last night, we were ranked 105th but a lot of our 'big guns' had capped out and had to shield because attacks would otherwise cause us to lose points. It was on our players with 1* and 2* rosters to come through if we were going to move up, the players who struggle to get 500-600 points in a PvP tourney before they get chewed up and spit out by players like the ones bickering in this thread.

One of those players was celebrating his birthday last night and told everyone earlier in the day he wouldn't be able to participate much because he would be at a friend's cabin partying. He had his phone with him though, and he checked in during those final 30 minutes (with more than a few cocktails in him if his chat typing was any indication) to see how we were doing. He saw how close we were and that the top guys in our alliance wouldn't be able to do much more. He and a couple others jumped into the fray to see if they could eek out a few more points and get us over the top 100 hump. They were awesome, and in the last half hour we jumped nearly 25 places and finished ranked 81st. Everyone was joyous that we were able to get a Patch cover for our newer players who didn't have one. We didn't place 1st, or 2nd, or in the top 10. We finished 81st, but those members who needed Patch didn't care. To them, we still accomplished something great - and we did it as a team. Now we'll be able to do better in Heroic Osborne and chase Daken covers. That's what it's about - small steps.

That's a feeling I would never trade away in place of swapping members. I imagine that felt better than it would have to place #1 or #2 just so we could have bragging rights over some troll in the forums. One day, maybe we will place in the top 10, after we've worked together to help our 1* and 2* players develop their rosters. That'll feel good too, because we will have done it as a 20 man team and felt like we accomplished something over a long haul.

Sorry if this was a bit long-winded and sanctimonious, but I felt like this thread could use a little perspective.

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Thank you for sharing that. It's what the game is about.

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Applauding for the awesome finish that all Top 3 teams had! 5DV proved that they didn't need swapping to post monster scores, which, for the record, I was never in doubt about. Top Gun really reinforces my point about exciting finishes when the top teams are in a true race in the last 2 hrs - all 3 alliances were within 1K of each other, which has NEVER happened before. I haven't been as psyched about the end of a tourney like this since the first Elite. We were all scrambling to figure out the best way to approach the end, cheering on the members who couldn't climb until late, and trying to figure out how 5DV and Xmen would play it. Way more drama, way more fun. Congrats to all, and here's hoping we get more like this in the future.

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beemand2g wrote:

Klingsor you could at least be a gracious winner. the xmen pushed both our alliances hard so there is no reason to continue the sly digs. You got the better of them this time. You let your actions do the talking nothing more needs to be said. It was a good event and I would like to give my thanks to all who participated and pushed to the dying minute.

Bee, in the past i didn't rub victory in other people's faces in spite of my generally cocky demeanor. However, when the leader of the xmen claims there are only two alliances in the game, he is clearly trying to provoke us. Well, he provoked us and got schooled, hence the retaliatory **** talking. When people want to talk smack they need to be ready to bring their A game and back it up. I don't want to add all 40 xmens to my already large list of internet anti-groupies, so I'll leave this at that.

As far as alliance swapping, everything that needed to be said on the issue has already been said, so high fives all around and see you at the finish line for Rags Fiesta.