Preventing alliance swapping

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walkyourpath wrote:

klingsor wrote:

I can understand you point of view but I see it as such as small issue that I am honestly surprised you came here to discuss. Here is the bottom line, we didn't do swapping as a tactic when the prizes for #1 mattered and the prizes for #2 didn't.

Only speaking for myself, because I feel like you're taking my post further than I intended it. I went out of my way to say that I wasn't calling you all out for it, so we should be all good. Swapping isn't an issue to me, my only point was to say that last-minute swapping takes a bunch of the fun out of watching the leaderboard at the end and may encourage unnecessary HP spending from teams that are close to the top. Lycra agreed with that.

Just sharing an opinion and my experience with the last tourney. I've been very vocal in praising what your efforts have done to help good players get the rewards they deserve. I don't begrudge you having a pool of talent to develop and draw from; you've put in the work to make that happen. I'd just like to see the very ends of tourneys be a pure race between a set group of players, as it increases my viewing enjoyment. I joined the conversation because I felt some version of the proposed change would make my primary entertainment option more... well, entertaining. I feel it does so without nullifying the advantages your hard work in organizing a huge group of players provides to you. I'm not at all trying to say that 5DV wouldn't post great results without swapping. It's not an attack on the quality of your alliance.

Cool, so I'm fine with freezing swaps in the last hour to increase spectator enjoyment. Sorry if I sounded confrontational. XOXO

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Ultimately, do 5DV need to swap members in/out to secure a top two spot? Surely there is enough quality in the Venoms lineup to score enough points anyway?

I'm pretty neutral about the whole subject of roster swapping, I'm just surprised that 5DV would actually need to do this to finish top two.

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The Ladder wrote:

Ultimately, do 5DV need to swap members in/out to secure a top two spot? Surely there is enough quality in the Venoms lineup to score enough points anyway?

I'm pretty neutral about the whole subject of roster swapping, I'm just surprised that 5DV would actually need to do this to finish top two.

Mighty Ladder, I assure you we do not. We are not swapping this pvp just to prove it, wager or not wager.

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Really? You're complaining about swapping, when you're in an alliance who pays to win... Think you need an attitude adjustment from John Cena... You've nothing to complain about when you're in an alliance who hits 1st more often than not... I say, if any alliances swap members to beat your alliance, keep doing it... There's nothing sweeter than watching a sore loser cry about losing... D3 won't punish you for spending monies, D3 are also not going to punish alliances for switching assets, and that's the bottom line really.

Here's a quote that suits this thread down to a T: "A team is nothing but pieces switched out until you get the job done, its efficient and works."

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It seems pretty clear that swapping is not against either the spirit or the letter of the rules, but there is a problem that's just waiting to happen - when people get jettisoned from their alliances at the last second. While alliances should be allowed to change their membership at will, it seems like the people who get kicked should have a fair opportunity to sign on with new alliances. So, in the spirit of fairness, I'd propose that no one can be kicked from an alliance in the last 24 hours of any event that lasts for 72 hours or more. No restrictions on adding people or people leaving voluntarily.

mouser

Bacon Pants wrote:

I read through some of this discussion...some of it was nonsense. Anywho, treat alliances like the transfer window in professional soccer and lock out transfers at the end of events. Of course, there is no perfect solution to this problem. But, being able to swap players in and out at will can present a distinct advantage over other alliances. Locking out transfers removes this advantage, but also screws you if a player cannot play in the final few hours of an event. So, a second proposition would be to only count the top 15 scores per alliance...or something along those lines.


I didn't see any good sports examples so I will provide two:

Man City is down a goal to United (never) and there are 5 minutes left. Man City pulls off the deal of the century and signs Neymar who happens to be in town. Neymar comes on to the pitch and scores twice for Man City and they win.

Or, Penguins goalie Marc Andre Fleury lets in 4 goals in the first period of a playoff game. The Pens trade for Tukka Rask in the second period and he shuts the door the rest of the way and the Pens come back to win.

That's essentially what's happening (or could happen) with Alliance Swapping.

Fun times indeed.

I think better analogies would be Man City makes a trade for Neymar with 5 minutes left and are immediately credited with the two goals that Neymar scored in the 85 minutes of play with his prior team. Man City then plays an eventless final 5 minutes and takes home the win. Or

Marc Andre Fleury lets in 4 goals in the 1st period, leaving the Pen down 4-1 in their game. During intermission the Pens trade for Tukka Rask, who didn't allow any goals in the 1st period of his game, so the Pens head into the 2nd period leading 1-0 now.

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Adamantium wrote:

There's nothing sweeter than watching a sore loser cry about losing...

We've never done anything but congratulate the winners when they take it down, so I don't know where you're coming from with this.

As for P2W:

1. I have done a lot more shield hopping as of late, but I've still never dipped into bought HP to do it. I'm still burning HP from stockpiles I've earned over 6 months of playing. So I'm not "paying" to win at all. I grind like a crazy person. Hell, we've got people sitting on over 20K HP - that's EARNED, not purchased.

2. You're kidding yourself if you think 5DV and X-Men aren't burning shields like crazy (and they've likely got big stockpiles of HP from putting in months of play, too - also not P2W). That's not a differential for our alliance.

Not sure if you read the thread completely, but even 5DV leaders here agree that an hour or two buffer on swapping doesn't punish them. Can we discuss the merits of the proposal instead of mudslinging? The consensus seems to be that there is upside to implementing it, and no penalty to those with multiple alliances for implementing it. Sounds pretty clear.

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What he said lol

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Let's not let the thread degenerate, otherwise the ban policia is going to come running.
I just want to point out that the xmen continue to mysteriously improve their roster. Ghostrider007 wasn't there when I took screenshots. So I take it the forums outrage is against 5DV exclusively because it's trendy to hate us? or can the bastions of fairness that populate these forums also cry in outrage as the xmen continue to swap away? Someone make the swappin stahp!

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Lol at the random John Cena reference. Really?

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The Ladder wrote:

Lol at the random John Cena reference. Really?

You want to prevent some swapping? take the top 15 scores of any alliance so when people are on vacation or are unable to play an entire pve due to a coding glitch, they don't need to leave the alliance or else screw their team. Good place to start imho

PorkBelly

LoreNYC wrote:

You want to prevent some swapping? take the top 15 scores of any alliance so when people are on vacation or are unable to play an entire pve due to a coding glitch, they don't need to leave the alliance or else screw their team. Good place to start imho

This is a great idea that has been mentioned in numerous threads.

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klingsor wrote:

nazerith, I am going to take a screenshot of your alliance membership right now and we will see if you do not swap members before the end. I feel you are full of ****, and as our biggest imitators the xmen have no place in this thread. I was going to ask the venoms to beat your sorry butts without swapping just to spite you, but I believe you will swap in order to win #2. How about we place a wager? Neither one of our alliances swaps, and whoever loses admits publicly on this thread that the other alliance is better. Something along the lines of: "I, Nazerith, admin that the 5DeadlyVenoms beat us and are the super alliance." Deal?

But wait, you are at 19/20 right now? So did you just happen to decide to remove a member? I don't suppose you will fill the gap with the strongest perfoming member of Xmen2 will you? How is that any different? You were 20/20 and are changing your roster to meet your goals. I had no issue with it until you decided to join the me 2 wagon.

Edit: my public relations crew decided i was being too aggro with my response so I edited to remove the edgier bits (Since i don't want to be banned again by the Banwagon.)

Just to put it all in perspective K whatever your name is from 5DV, it don't matter anyhow, but if you read my post properly I stated let you guys do what you do. I don't factor you in because you do what you do, swap and so forth it's not my concern. I run an alliance of 40 people, we work hard as a team, if one person is moved it's because they earned a spot in X1. I don't really do this bickering thing in public not my style I keep my cool about me, that's why you don't ever hear anything about me or my alliance. With that said best of luck to you hope you are able to swap 20k to take over our first place spot in season 1. I really don't care because soon no amount of swapping will help. I hope your squad does well I really do, I just care about how your people feel, I've actually had to ban people talking bad about you, don't need negativity around my men. With that said this will be my last public rebuttal, if you care to continue this pm me. People have better things to do then read gossip and bickering. Keep up the good fight.

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klingsor wrote:

Let's not let the thread degenerate, otherwise the ban policia is going to come running.
I just want to point out that the xmen continue to mysteriously improve their roster. Ghostrider007 wasn't there when I took screenshots. So I take it the forums outrage is against 5DV exclusively because it's trendy to hate us? or can the bastions of fairness that populate these forums also cry in outrage as the xmen continue to swap away? Someone make the swappin stahp!

I don't see any outrage in this topic, just some people think alliances were created NOT exactly for this and the kind of swapping is not in the spirit of their conception.

Meanwhile if D3 disagrees and this is along the intentions they indeed should implement automation . And if there is agreement on the general matter they could take the simplest hotfix setting the re-join cooldown time to 6h until something better is figured out. That is not ideal but would contain most of the abuse in most of the practical cases.

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LoreNYC wrote:

The Ladder wrote:

Lol at the random John Cena reference. Really?

You want to prevent some swapping? take the top 15 scores of any alliance so when people are on vacation or are unable to play an entire pve due to a coding glitch, they don't need to leave the alliance or else screw their team. Good place to start imho

+1

And this is really funny seeing someone despised swapping while doing it himself.

Nemek

Grazzt wrote:

LoreNYC wrote:

The Ladder wrote:

Lol at the random John Cena reference. Really?

You want to prevent some swapping? take the top 15 scores of any alliance so when people are on vacation or are unable to play an entire pve due to a coding glitch, they don't need to leave the alliance or else screw their team. Good place to start imho

+1

And this is really funny seeing someone despised swapping while doing it himself.

I'm confused about this post, can you elaborate? Has TheLadder been switching teams without anybody knowing? Sorry, I might just be misunderstanding your statement.

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Nemek wrote:

Grazzt wrote:

LoreNYC wrote:

The Ladder wrote:

Lol at the random John Cena reference. Really?

You want to prevent some swapping? take the top 15 scores of any alliance so when people are on vacation or are unable to play an entire pve due to a coding glitch, they don't need to leave the alliance or else screw their team. Good place to start imho

+1

And this is really funny seeing someone despised swapping while doing it himself.

I'm confused about this post, can you elaborate? Has TheLadder been switching teams without anybody knowing? Sorry, I might just be misunderstanding your statement.

We are talking about the xmen.
2 members of them have replied in this post saying they totally agree with reckless.

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Nemek wrote:

Grazzt wrote:

LoreNYC wrote:

The Ladder wrote:

Lol at the random John Cena reference. Really?

You want to prevent some swapping? take the top 15 scores of any alliance so when people are on vacation or are unable to play an entire pve due to a coding glitch, they don't need to leave the alliance or else screw their team. Good place to start imho

+1

And this is really funny seeing someone despised swapping while doing it himself.

I'm confused about this post, can you elaborate? Has TheLadder been switching teams without anybody knowing? Sorry, I might just be misunderstanding your statement.

Lol I believe he is not talking about theLadder. Anyway Xmen, before you guys start singing about your mighty season performance, how about you gloat when the season ends? How do you know that the bottom 10 have started shield training? Perhaps they are using it to tank and that's why you guys are up there? Anyway, good luck to you and congrats for being third.

Nemek

Grazzt wrote:

We are talking about the xmen.
2 members of them have replied in this post saying they totally agree with reckless.

Thank you sir! Was just confused since none of them are in the quote train.

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nazerith wrote:

I don't speak much on the forums but I'll this this, as the leader of the X-men let 5DV do their swapping I wish the best for their morale. Honesty that will be short lived, the game is what it is. We did make another chapter to keep the people close to use that want to see us succeed. Will we swap no, if someone wants to move from X1 to X2 because their play habits change that's what it's there for. As far as S.H.I.E.L.D goes I have a lot of respect for those guys and gals especially Reckless. I'm expecting a very close finish to season 1 and 5DV honestly I don't even factor them in. We did actually get a couple that where unhappy, and good friends with Johnny. Other than that some really great people over there we just couldn't except everyone that wanted to leave 5DV. I love what season 1 has to offer S.H.I.E.L.D and The X-Men in the way of competition, just wish there was a 3rd alliance to compete to make it a bit more interesting. Keep up the good fight S.H.I.E.L.D!!!!!

Sorry to break your little dream here.
Both 5dv and shield have many members haven't done much in the simulator.
Why are you so naive that you think we constantly ranked top 2 in every pvp event but cant do it in season 1?