Bulls said: It's all nice and dandy until you're out of t5 in 7 days event due to 2 tapers...
Clearly they wanted top 5 more than you did.
(Said as someone who can't be bothered to tap. I'll get the rewards I'll get and play in a way I enjoy).
OJSP said: aesthetocyst said: THe 2 times I tapped to win, it was only 2hrs early, on each sub, rather than a marathon on the least profitable, final sub. He knows how to do the other way of tapping already. He was just trying to prove that someone was willing to do it for 24 hours and what sort of advantage it would give. The reason why not doing it on day 1 is likely because he didn't have time to do it. We are talking about someone who are already willing to tap for several hours to get t1 or t2 here, not just your average t10 player. Doing it on the last day showed that all the effort that other players put in from the last 6 days became (excuse the pun) pointless.. I imagine it's pretty demoralising to see our effort for the last 6 days become fruitless.Also, who said he didn't try to out tap the squid from day 1 anyway (those 400 pts lead on the last day wouldn't be due to the simple optimal play or robert missing a clear..)?
aesthetocyst said: THe 2 times I tapped to win, it was only 2hrs early, on each sub, rather than a marathon on the least profitable, final sub.
babinro said: On one hand any player who does stuff like this completely deserves better placement. On the other hand this is a self destructive practice that is not only unhealthy for the game but the players of said game. The SPIRIT of PvE is SPEED. I've made this suggestion before but I'll post it again.PvE Placement Rework1) Remove all node timers. 2) Make every clear attempt worth the same points. After 6 clears all nodes are worth 0 points FOREVER. 3) Implement a timer that starts the instant the game gives you access to your first tile switch and ends when the victory banner appears. 4) Placement is determined by points and ties are awarded to the quickest times. 5) The placement screen now shows total time played so you'd see something like this: - (player name) 12456 points. Clear Time: 1 Hour 23 minutes 15 seconds- (player name) 12456 points. Clear Time: 1 Hour 23 minutes 17 seconds- (player name) 12456 points. Clear Time: 1 Hour 24 minutes 25 seconds- (player name) 12456 points. Clear Time: 1 Hour 24 minutes 45 seconds
tanis3303 said: If you just bracket shop, you can avoid all of this headache. I do it for every new release, all you have to do is join Line and bug the right people until someone tells you there's a new bracket open in your chosen time slice/clearance level. I didn't even use the Line rooms for this one, no one wanted to play in slice 2 CL 6, so I couldn't get any updates and had to jump in blind. Got lucky and joined as #158 in the bracket. Did my clears, and was one of only 5 people that did full clears and stopped to maximize points. Even if those 4 other guys are all 8 hour tappers, who cares? I still get top ten by default. System sucks, I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just saying learn how to game it.
broll said: Rhycar said:And total lol to the idea that this type of play deserves first place. What kind of game do you want this to be if that's considered optimal? I don't think someone deserves to place higher than me because they're in the right timezone, but that's been a thing in the game for as long as I've been playing... If I had the time I'd use tapping to get around that horrible design and get top placement. Sm0keyJ0e said: Tap2Win is at worst at the same level as Pay2Win. They are completely different levels. "Tap2Win" is not what the devs intended; they have come out and said so. They simply implemented a terrible system that allows for this in spite of their claims. "Pay2Win" is exactly what the devs intended.The OP is exactly what's wrong with this game. Sorry, no kudos for you for demonstrating how to completely waste a day. I have no idea what you do for a living but I would get fired if I played this game all damn day long--by my employer and my family. I think effort is more worthy of being rewarded then just having a big bank account. The only reason devs don't intend that is because it devalues Pay2Win which is how they make money.
Rhycar said:And total lol to the idea that this type of play deserves first place. What kind of game do you want this to be if that's considered optimal?
Sm0keyJ0e said: Tap2Win is at worst at the same level as Pay2Win. They are completely different levels. "Tap2Win" is not what the devs intended; they have come out and said so. They simply implemented a terrible system that allows for this in spite of their claims. "Pay2Win" is exactly what the devs intended.The OP is exactly what's wrong with this game. Sorry, no kudos for you for demonstrating how to completely waste a day. I have no idea what you do for a living but I would get fired if I played this game all damn day long--by my employer and my family.
Tap2Win is at worst at the same level as Pay2Win.
aesthetocyst said: This is not true; bracket-watching is no protection against tappers.
hypertwink said: Therefore the whole top10 in pve will eventually be forced to tap here or there. I read that as 'the whole tap10...'
broll said: Rhycar said:And total lol to the idea that this type of play deserves first place. What kind of game do you want this to be if that's considered optimal? I don't think someone deserves to place higher than me because they're in the right timezone, but that's been a thing in the game for as long as I've been playing... If I had the time I'd use tapping to get around that horrible design and get top placement.
Rhycar said: broll said: Rhycar said:And total lol to the idea that this type of play deserves first place. What kind of game do you want this to be if that's considered optimal? I don't think someone deserves to place higher than me because they're in the right timezone, but that's been a thing in the game for as long as I've been playing... If I had the time I'd use tapping to get around that horrible design and get top placement.Rhycar talks here, because formatting sucks on mobile:There are five different starting times. If none of the five work for you, I would submit it's your real life getting in the way and not a timezone. I wake up at 5:15 a.m. to play PvE because it's the only feasible time for me to compete. One of the five will work.
broll said: Rhycar said:And total lol to the idea that this type of play deserves first place. What kind of game do you want this to be if that's considered optimal? I don't think someone deserves to place higher than me because they're in the right timezone, but that's been a thing in the game for as long as I've been playing... If I had the time I'd use tapping to get around that horrible design and get top placement.Rhycar talks here, because formatting sucks on mobile:There are five different starting times. If none of the five work for you, I would submit it's your real life getting in the way and not a timezone. I wake up at 5:15 a.m. to play PvE because it's the only feasible time for me to compete. One of the five will work.