Hood vs OBW

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i think i would wack down hood too. His AP stealing is too dangerous, over time. Plus his hp is kinda low too, unless you are talking about lvl 141 hood, whom relatively had a low hp too.

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locked wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

I would go for the Hood first. His stealing is constant and can become annoying really quick when he takes away that one AP you needed to use an expensive ability (or any ability for that matter.) OBW steals a little less now thanks to the newly released patch but can still change the tide of the battle with one use of her purple. Denying OBWs purple while damaging the Hood with tile damage seems to be a good strategy for me so far.

oBW was not changed, only AI oBW was changed. AI oBW used to double damage you with black/blue/purple matches even if oBW wasn't having priority on those.

Wait, so you're saying that OBW doesn't do double damage anymore unless she is the strongest character in that color due to the recent patch, but still steals purple, blue and black, even if she isn't the strongest in that color? I was under the impression that in order for double damage and her passive AP stealing to take off, she had to have the strongest color now, due to the recent patch. Unless you misunderstood what I said and we had some miscommunication.

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GT-47LM wrote:

locked wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

I would go for the Hood first. His stealing is constant and can become annoying really quick when he takes away that one AP you needed to use an expensive ability (or any ability for that matter.) OBW steals a little less now thanks to the newly released patch but can still change the tide of the battle with one use of her purple. Denying OBWs purple while damaging the Hood with tile damage seems to be a good strategy for me so far.

oBW was not changed, only AI oBW was changed. AI oBW used to double damage you with black/blue/purple matches even if oBW wasn't having priority on those.

Wait, so you're saying that OBW doesn't do double damage anymore unless she is the strongest character in that color due to the recent patch, but still steals purple, blue and black, even if she isn't the strongest in that color? I was under the impression that in order for double damage and her passive AP stealing to take off, she had to have the strongest color now, due to the recent patch. Unless you misunderstood what I said and we had some miscommunication.

Previously:

When a player used her:
Black Widow steals enemy secrets. When she attacks by making a Purple match and the enemy has Purple AP, she steals 1 from them.
Level Upgrades
etc...

When the AI used her:
Black Widow steals enemy secrets. When anybody attacks by making a Purple match and the enemy has Purple AP, she steals 1 from them.
Level Upgrades
etc...


Now it works like the intended version no matter who uses her:
Black Widow steals enemy secrets. When she attacks by making a Purple match and the enemy has Purple AP, she steals 1 from them.
Level Upgrades
etc...

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gamar wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

locked wrote:

GT-47LM wrote:

I would go for the Hood first. His stealing is constant and can become annoying really quick when he takes away that one AP you needed to use an expensive ability (or any ability for that matter.) OBW steals a little less now thanks to the newly released patch but can still change the tide of the battle with one use of her purple. Denying OBWs purple while damaging the Hood with tile damage seems to be a good strategy for me so far.

oBW was not changed, only AI oBW was changed. AI oBW used to double damage you with black/blue/purple matches even if oBW wasn't having priority on those.

Wait, so you're saying that OBW doesn't do double damage anymore unless she is the strongest character in that color due to the recent patch, but still steals purple, blue and black, even if she isn't the strongest in that color? I was under the impression that in order for double damage and her passive AP stealing to take off, she had to have the strongest color now, due to the recent patch. Unless you misunderstood what I said and we had some miscommunication.

Previously:

When a player used her:
Black Widow steals enemy secrets. When she attacks by making a Purple match and the enemy has Purple AP, she steals 1 from them.
Level Upgrades
etc...

When the AI used her:
Black Widow steals enemy secrets. When anybody attacks by making a Purple match and the enemy has Purple AP, she steals 1 from them.
Level Upgrades
etc...


Now it works like the intended version no matter who uses her:
Black Widow steals enemy secrets. When she attacks by making a Purple match and the enemy has Purple AP, she steals 1 from them.
Level Upgrades
etc...

That's exactly what I meant with my first post in this thread. Locked must have mistook what I meant with something else.

over_clocked

But oBW still steals the same amount of AP, literally nothing about her was changed except the AI oBW in PvE I believe, PvP oBW was never broken to begin with.

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locked wrote:

But oBW still steals the same amount of AP, literally nothing about her was changed except the AI oBW in PvE I believe, PvP oBW was never broken to begin with.

I know for sure that Espionage animatino won't trigger if a higher blue character is present (happens all the time) with OBW in PvP. Now, if there is a bug that makes the effect of Espionage triggering without the animation then I can't say I know for sure, but as a Magneto user, I usually know the moment I lost 1 blue AP because that has a rather profound effect on how the game will turn out and I don't remember ever mysteriously missing a blue AP in PvP. For PvE I can't say since I don't pay attention to who gets what colors when they're all crazy levels.

Unknown

You know what, I'm reversing course on OBW being overpowered. Earlier I was steadfastly in the camp that she was so ubiquitous because she's really good and no other good 2* has her colors, not because she's so good she's unbalanced. And yes, I understand that when you have a team of 141 characters she dissolves like paper. But I'm creeping my roster up on 110-120 now, and I STILL bring my OBW into any battle where there's an enemy OBW or Hood because it's just too risky not to have her to counter them. That's really unfun, I'm sick of USING her, don't get me started on how sick I am of SEEING her.

over_clocked

I will never stop being fond of oBW even if enemy oBW can beat me up with cascades and take my lunch money, because she's not a boring all-damage character. Denying purple to her is a mini-game in its own right

ErikPeter

gamar wrote:

You know what, I'm reversing course on OBW being overpowered. Earlier I was steadfastly in the camp that she was so ubiquitous because she's really good and no other good 2* has her colors, not because she's so good she's unbalanced. And yes, I understand that when you have a team of 141 characters she dissolves like paper. But I'm creeping my roster up on 110-120 now, and I STILL bring my OBW into any battle where there's an enemy OBW or Hood because it's just too risky not to have her to counter them. That's really unfun, I'm sick of USING her, don't get me started on how sick I am of SEEING her.

I pretty much agree (especially adding my recent comments in the Daredevil thread). I feel like the meta would change a lot, and for the better, if there was another uncommon support character (or even a common one, if she could hold her own) that could rival OBW at all for AP denial. Either something simple that fuels a different team composition (Like someone who's really good with Moonstone or something) or just crazy out of the box, like Dr. Strange (and this is me just brainstorming but it sounds awesome) who turns tiles into white tiles that only he can use (e.g. matching them gives you AP in your lowest AP pool), just mucking up the board for your opponent.

Right now there are basically three viable support characters, Spidey, OBW, and Hood. I think Spidey will remain viable after the nerf but obviously less supportive with less stun locking. I've only got 2 blue covers for Hood/Spidey so they're not there yet. So I use OBW, and will continue to do so most of the time, for the foreseeable future. So does everyone else in my tier (the post-85 haze). It gets old.

Spencer75

I bring my own hood (negates opposing hood) and take out obw first