Hood vs OBW

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Which do you target first?

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Personally, I target Hood first by matching Blue/Purple matches, effectively denying both of them.

Of course, if your opponent has a RYG user like Lazy Thor, you better hope you get enough Purple matches of your own to AR his AP away with your own OBW.

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Hood, definitely. Passive skill is more of a thread than OBW's active.

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I've seen argument to target whoever the third person is as long as it's not someone with more than 5800 HP or Patch, because as long as you kill that guy, there's literally no way you can lose. Normally you'd most likely target The Hood first, who has 4350 HP at level 141. OBW has 3115 HP, and you pretty much have to kill her before she does an Aggressive Recon as well, so you've to do 7465 HP to stop the incoming damage... or just do 5800 damage to the third guy which also completely stops all incoming damage (OBW and The Hood do trivial damage by themselves). This assume the third guy is the damage dealer of the group, though if that guy can't deal damage, it's hard to imagine how you can even lose this fight.

Mawtful

Phantron wrote:

I've seen argument to target whoever the third person is as long as it's not someone with more than 5800 HP or Patch, because as long as you kill that guy, there's literally no way you can lose. Normally you'd most likely target The Hood first, who has 4350 HP at level 141. OBW has 3115 HP, and you pretty much have to kill her before she does an Aggressive Recon as well, so you've to do 7465 HP to stop the incoming damage... or just do 5800 damage to the third guy which also completely stops all incoming damage (OBW and The Hood do trivial damage by themselves). This assume the third guy is the damage dealer of the group, though if that guy can't deal damage, it's hard to imagine how you can even lose this fight.

I think I'll consider this next time I encounter a Hood + oBW combo.
Something else to consider is what spec is oBW running? If she's 3/5/5 and if I'm also running oBW (mine's 5/5/3), then there's a good chance I can steal back the AP (AI is sometimes a bit silly with it's play order). Furthermore, max Hood will be tanking Black and Blue, which would make a 3/5/5 build for oBW sub-optimal (Espionage only firing on Purple).

I do tend to target Hood first.

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Mawtful wrote:

Phantron wrote:

I've seen argument to target whoever the third person is as long as it's not someone with more than 5800 HP or Patch, because as long as you kill that guy, there's literally no way you can lose. Normally you'd most likely target The Hood first, who has 4350 HP at level 141. OBW has 3115 HP, and you pretty much have to kill her before she does an Aggressive Recon as well, so you've to do 7465 HP to stop the incoming damage... or just do 5800 damage to the third guy which also completely stops all incoming damage (OBW and The Hood do trivial damage by themselves). This assume the third guy is the damage dealer of the group, though if that guy can't deal damage, it's hard to imagine how you can even lose this fight.

I think I'll consider this next time I encounter a Hood + oBW combo.
Something else to consider is what spec is oBW running? If she's 3/5/5 and if I'm also running oBW (mine's 5/5/3), then there's a good chance I can steal back the AP (AI is sometimes a bit silly with it's play order). Furthermore, max Hood will be tanking Black and Blue, which would make a 3/5/5 build for oBW sub-optimal (Espionage only firing on Purple).

I do tend to target Hood first.

I do target The Hood first and I usually try to avoid fighting Hood + OBW combo, since if they're paired up with Patch, BP, Captain, or Thor you can't target the third guy first (these guys have as much or more HP as OBW + The Hood combined) and it is a pretty tricky matchup in that case, but I think targetting the third guy first has its merits if the third guy is not one of those four guys (I'm assuming nobody is going to build a IM40 or Hulk + OBW + The Hood team because I have no idea how you'd ever win your games in a sane amount of time).

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If there are both, I definitely bring my own Hood/oBW and target oBW first, then the damager or the Hood, depending if the damager is fast (Punisher, HT, Psylocke, Patch) or slow (Panther, LT, LC).

Edit: Bowgentle's complete mirror comp (including builds) against mine in Army of Pun His team was predictably among the only ones that could give me trouble as Hood/oBW deny absolutely everything barring Projectiles and Anger. These two make LT and BP look like wusses on defense (sorry it's just a fact of life).


Edit: if you do not have the Hood of your own, do kill the Hood first. Or deal with oBW as usual while stunning the Hood. Otherwise he will suck you dry.

Phaserhawk

I bring my own Hood to counter theirs, then focus down OBW. At that point assess do I take down the big threat or Hood.

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Is Hood effective as a counter to Hood/OBW at 3B?

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Hood is a soft counter to most heroes as he slows down their ability to gather AP. Granted. some luck is involved as if there are only 8 yellow. he won't steal. But it's still useful. Overall good utility hero but really kicks in once you get 5/5/3. Can he counter? Soft counter again.

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Main feature of Hood is preventing AP boosts, especially the palette. OBW has less of that effect obviously.

But a smart attacker will assemble a non-palette team and pack damage boosts.

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Phaserhawk wrote:

I bring my own Hood to counter theirs, then focus down OBW. At that point assess do I take down the big threat or Hood.

Same

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Damage boosts are pretty much the bane of Hood/OBW. Yes, you can say boosts skew things, but I bet most people have a ton of the match 2 color +50% boosts sitting at 30, so it's really not costing you much, if any, to bring them out.

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Wow, I didn't think i would be in the minority with this but I have been taking OBW out first in these teams. She less HP and it seemed every time I would try and go for hood first she would get off a recon or a heal on me and then it was over. I have never thought about trying to take out the third before.. That could get ugly too though I think.

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sms4002 wrote:

Wow, I didn't think i would be in the minority with this but I have been taking OBW out first in these teams. She less HP and it seemed every time I would try and go for hood first she would get off a recon or a heal on me and then it was over. I have never thought about trying to take out the third before.. That could get ugly too though I think.

Taking out the third is solely dependent on the amount of HP the third guy has.

Let's assume you target The Hood has 4350 HP first. This means if something bad happened between doing 0 to 4349 damage, it'd have happened no matter what. Attacking the third guy's first 4349 HP is exactly the same as attacking The Hood first. So now the question is weighting the chance of something bad happening between damage 4350 to the third guy's total HP that could have been prevented by killing The Hood, versus the fact that once the third guy dies, The Hood and OBW will have to spend the rest of the fight trying to yell you to death.

In the screenshot above where the 3rd guy is a boosted Punisher with 8000 HP, it's obviously a bad idea because The Punisher boosted has more HP than The Hood + OBW put together. But if it's a normal Punisher with 5800 HP, you only have to do 1450 HP without something bad happening to wrap up the game. Note that killing The Hood, by itself, obviously does not wrap up the game because OBW is still alive too. And if that team had The Hood boosted? I'm guessing The Hood would have about 6000 HP at level 212, so it'd be a no brainer to kill The Punisher first, since he has less HP than The Hood and killing him still immediately ends almost all possibility of losing the fight.

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Wow i would attack OBW first. The hood is week but you can use Cards with the colors he does not use and he can't do anything. OBW can regain health and take colors. I always take here out first.

over_clocked

mustangkilgore wrote:

Wow i would attack OBW first. The hood is week but you can use Cards with the colors he does not use and he can't do anything. OBW can regain health and take colors. I always take here out first.

Hood steals AP of all 6 colours, why do you think he's so dangerous? oBW is dangerous too but at least she only passively steals her colours and often enough only purple/purple and blue, and you should be able to prevent her active steal.

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I think it partly depends on board composition. If there's a lot of a color you need, I'd take out Hood first. If you need Purple/Blue/ or Black, I'd be more inclined to take out OBW. You also have to take into consideration your team composition versus your opponent's.

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I would go for the Hood first. His stealing is constant and can become annoying really quick when he takes away that one AP you needed to use an expensive ability (or any ability for that matter.) OBW steals a little less now thanks to the newly released patch but can still change the tide of the battle with one use of her purple. Denying OBWs purple while damaging the Hood with tile damage seems to be a good strategy for me so far.

over_clocked

GT-47LM wrote:

I would go for the Hood first. His stealing is constant and can become annoying really quick when he takes away that one AP you needed to use an expensive ability (or any ability for that matter.) OBW steals a little less now thanks to the newly released patch but can still change the tide of the battle with one use of her purple. Denying OBWs purple while damaging the Hood with tile damage seems to be a good strategy for me so far.

oBW was not changed, only AI oBW was changed. AI oBW used to double damage you with black/blue/purple matches even if oBW wasn't having priority on those.

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Whatever that Espionage bug was it must not be very common. It's not like she unconditionally fired off Espionage, because it's very obvious when they can't steal blue due to having a stronger character in blue and that makes the fight against her much easier. For example a level 141 IM40 takes blue away from her, and that's one of the matchup I really like to see because no Espionage on blue is about as good as you can expect (well, no Espionage on purple would be even better, but that's pretty much only possible if she's paired up with Spiderman or GSBW and neither of these combinations makes much sense).