Omniscience is broken!

Monkeynutts
Monkeynutts Posts: 566 Critical Contributor
in MtGPQ General Discussion
Yes its a masterpiece, but ****.
Just got smashed by it in HOU event. Whir of invention and i cant remeber the other spell gave my opponent 14 shields on it as he was able to find and cast over n over.
This gave him Endless FREE creatures and spells.
I mean theres only so much removal you can draw yourself and going against 20 plus cost mythics coming out for free is a joke!
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  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor

    It's already been discussed a bit here:

    https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/66382/hour-of-devastation-card-gallery-updated-7-24-17/p2


  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    This is the outrage I imagine the AI expresses everytime it meets a cycle deck. 

    Try a support removal to remove what I assume is the only support in that deck? 
  • khurram
    khurram Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited July 2017
    You bet the bosses in the weekend event will have it. Just imagine  the havoc. Can you tell how many shields it initially had?
  • fiirst
    fiirst Posts: 438 Mover and Shaker
    It should not make another omniscience cost 0. Then everything should be okay....
  • James13
    James13 Posts: 665 Critical Contributor
    fiirst said:
    It should not make another omniscience cost 0. Then everything should be okay....
    Doesn't matter if the deck has whir of invention.
  • Monkeynutts
    Monkeynutts Posts: 566 Critical Contributor
    Exactly what James said. Im not saying Omniscience becomes 0 cost. Im saying whir of invention will cast it as it searches for it as its the only support you use. if you draw whir of invention again....its 0 cost and will cast and then you get another ominscience cast and so on. meanwhile other cards are drawing and putting massive creatures down at a rate you simply cannot keep up with unless maybe your running the Ob Nixilis removal deck, but even then that deck has a limit of keeping up.
  • James13
    James13 Posts: 665 Critical Contributor
    It's probably still manageable in general.  There's a ton of broken card combo potential this set such that this isn't the only new Gonti's Heart / Deploy scenario of this set.  If it's only running Omniscence that's a potential weakness.  Just have to learn to adapt to the new scenarios as they come.

    But as an unexpected thing I can see how it would be annoying as heck to find yourself against.  Particularly since it should be quite rare at the moment.
  • octal9
    octal9 Posts: 593 Critical Contributor
    4 shield. 
  • ZW2007-
    ZW2007- Posts: 812 Critical Contributor
    My question is this, does it make each card in hand cost 0 all the time? For example, I cast omniscience and it makes all my cards in hand cost 0. Then I cast two creatures for free putting omniscience at 2 shields, followed by casting pull from tomorrow which draws 5 cards and puts omniscience at 1 shield. All 5 cards drawn should now cost 0, the first one is cast for free and omniscience runs out of shields and pops. Does the game revert the rest of my hand back to their normal cost or do they stay at 0? Now it's easy to assume that they should revert back to their normal cost but nothing ever seems to work the way we think it should. It also wouldn't surprise me if a masterpiece had broken interactions that went completely untested because who gets masterpieces anyway?
  • fiirst
    fiirst Posts: 438 Mover and Shaker
    edited July 2017
     James13 said:
    fiirst said:
    It should not make another omniscience cost 0. Then everything should be okay....
    Doesn't matter if the deck has whir of invention.
    If he run only omniscience as only support, all i can do is just casting demolish........
  • Monkeynutts
    Monkeynutts Posts: 566 Critical Contributor
    edited July 2017
    yes and if u dont draw demolish for 3 turns for example.....
    u have demolish and 3 solid enemy creatures.
  • fiirst
    fiirst Posts: 438 Mover and Shaker
    Then, how about make it unreinforced...... or cast no more than x spell each turn?
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    How about we stop being silly. 

    The ai doesn't cast omniscience and then plonks down three creatures he's been saving up. 

    You have a few turns to demolish it. 
  • span_argoman
    span_argoman Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    The AI prioritises casting Creatures over Supports. So when Omniscience is cast there shouldn't be any creatures in hand. Someone correct me if this isn't the case.

    Which means the only way to mass spam creatures like people are fearing is if one of the supports or spells draws additional cards (or fetches creatures) and in which case Omniscience will likely run out of shields rather quickly.

    Otherwise it's a slow roll of stuff coming out for free, in which card you will have time to try to destroy Omniscience... unless you're playing Blue/Black. Then uh good luck.
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    3 black removals is about 21-24 mana cost. 

    You're not really that far behind, considering it's a 3 for 4 trade
  • span_argoman
    span_argoman Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    Ohboy said:
    3 black removals is about 21-24 mana cost. 

    You're not really that far behind, considering it's a 3 for 4 trade

    Unless you have that new Black removal, Lethal Sting, which makes it 3-24 mana. The issue is drawing 3 copies of removal into hand and having more to deal with the upcoming creatures to be freely summoned from Omniscience.
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ohboy said:
    How about we stop being silly. 

    The ai doesn't cast omniscience and then plonks down three creatures he's been saving up. 

    You have a few turns to demolish it. 
    That might be true, but if it is possible, it still is broken. Broken is not good, so why not point it out?
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited July 2017
    Point is that it isn't broken. 

    This is Hixus all over again. This is Thopter spy network. This is sandwurm convergence. 

    The counter to this is easier to pull off than the ones above. 

    He's basically complaining because his deck isn't balanced and has no support removal. 
  • span_argoman
    span_argoman Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    Ohboy said:
    Point is that it isn't broken. 

    This is Hixus all over again. This is Thopter spy network. This is sandwurm convergence. 

    The counter to this is easier to pull off than the ones above. 

    He's basically complaining because his deck isn't balanced and has no support removal. 

    But what if you are playing Tezzeret 2?
  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    Am I missing something here? I thought that card wasn't even available in-game yet.

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