**** Mockingbird (Bobbi Morse) ****
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DrDevilDinosaur said:Pylgrim said:DrDevilDinosaur said:Have Devs forgotten their colour wheel again? Bombshell reads like a Black ability.
Outside of that, looks like some interesting new passives. Looks like her Yellow is why Colossus got reworked.Red is generally attacks with condition to deal increased damage, cf. Rocket Punch, Dive Bomb, Combined Forces, etc.
Black is generally powerful attacks with some drawback, cf. Court Death, Goblin Glider, Overdrive , etc.
In particular, I would compare Bombshell to Kate Bishop's Looking For Trouble. The later deals its damage up front and then the player must remove their own CD or take damage. Bombshell creates two CD's but if one of those is removed, then the ability deals less damage to the enemy and also deals damage to Bobbi. That's a text book definition of high risk/high reward that is the hall mark of Black abilities.
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Dayv said:KGB said:That Yellow power is going to have the potential to create infinite loops.
Imagine opposing teams both with MockingBird + someone with board shake (Juggs/Loki etc). One fired power can cause the 2 Mockingbirds to endlessly trigger the board shake skill that creates a match 4+.
Obviously it's a long shot that it continues for more than an iteration or two but it's definitely possible.
Also curious how this interacts with the Professor and Teen Jean's passive (ie which goes first) in cases of match 5's.
KGB
P.S. Now we have confirmation of why Colossus's power was changed.
on top of that, we don't know if passives will trigger from passively-triggered skills at all -- will they set off Doctor Strange, for example?
I realize any tile cascade can be infinite but this is different in that's it can be infinite due to passive powers. Consider 3* Hulk's Anger. It's possible now to damage Hulk with a power. On his turn the Anger cd(s) resolve creating a match 4/5. That triggers Mockingbird which fires a power that damages Hulk that creates another cd that could create another match 4/5 etc (assumes the new cd would resolve now if it's below the current one).
Just saying this power has the potential to create infinite loops where other passive's do not. I bet there are a ton of quirks related to this power in terms of downing characters via the passive power activating and ordering.
KGB
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The following characters have exactly one active power in each color when paired with Mockingbird, so you will know which one is fired by Mockingbird's passive:
Venom (Eddie Brock) Mr. Fantastic (Reed Richards)<br>Wasp (Janet Van Dyne) Spider-Man (Back in Black)<br>Wasp (Janet Van Dyne) Storm (Classic)<br>Wasp (Janet Van Dyne) Doctor Octopus (Otto Octavius)<br>Wasp (Janet Van Dyne) Rocket & Groot (Most Wanted)<br>Wasp (Janet Van Dyne) Quake (Daisy Johnson)<br>Wasp (Janet Van Dyne) Rocket & Groot (Awesome Mix Volume 2)<br>Wolverine (X-Force) Daken (Dark Avengers)<br>Wolverine (X-Force) Daken (Classic)<br>Black Bolt (Inhuman King) Mr. Fantastic (Reed Richards)<br>Black Panther (Civil War) Beast (Classic)<br>Black Panther (Civil War) Invisible Woman (Classic)<br>The Hulk (Bruce Banner) Beast (Classic)<br>The Hulk (Bruce Banner) Invisible Woman (Classic)<br>Spider-Man (Back in Black) The Hood (Classic)<br>Spider-Man (Back in Black) Luke Cage (Hero For Hire)<br>Spider-Man (Back in Black) Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)<br>Bullseye (Dark Avengers) Spider-Man (Classic)<br>Daken (Dark Avengers) Storm (Mohawk)<br>Storm (Classic) The Hood (Classic)<br>Storm (Classic) Luke Cage (Hero For Hire)<br>Storm (Classic) Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)<br>Daken (Classic) Storm (Mohawk)<br>Doctor Octopus (Otto Octavius) The Hood (Classic)<br>Doctor Octopus (Otto Octavius) Luke Cage (Hero For Hire)<br>Doctor Octopus (Otto Octavius) Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)<br>The Hood (Classic) Rocket & Groot (Most Wanted)<br>The Hood (Classic) Quake (Daisy Johnson)<br>The Hood (Classic) Rocket & Groot (Awesome Mix Volume 2)<br>Luke Cage (Hero For Hire) Rocket & Groot (Most Wanted)<br>Luke Cage (Hero For Hire) Quake (Daisy Johnson)<br>Luke Cage (Hero For Hire) Rocket & Groot (Awesome Mix Volume 2)<br>Quicksilver (Pietro Maximoff) Spider-Man (Classic)<br>Rocket & Groot (Most Wanted) Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)<br>Spider-Man (Classic) Blade (Modern)<br>Spider-Man (Classic) Moon Knight (Marc Spector)<br>Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) Quake (Daisy Johnson)<br>Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) Rocket & Groot (Awesome Mix Volume 2)
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KGB said:I hope Strange's passive fires when the free enemy power fires. That can be easily tested with Colossus Fastball as I assume both are treated the same.
In any case, I'm really excited to see how good she'll be in the game. Looks like an interesting support character, albeit a bit hard to control since her passive activates a random power.
There are powers that you'd rather want them fired when the time is right to maximize its effect or powers that if you time it wrong it mess up your setup. Take Hulkbuster's red for example, if it's fired, even though it doesn't cost you AP, its effect will drain all of your red AP anyway. And a power that requires you to choose a tile(s) or a character will now be decided randomly if fired by her passive, which means more randomness.
On top of all this, her passive activates when the opponent makes a match of 4 or more, not you. This means it's kinda out of your control. So even though she's a support character like Coulson, it seems to me that you have to be more careful when you want to come up with a team for her.0 -
MadScientist said:
The following characters have exactly one active power in each color when paired with Mockingbird, so you will know which one is fired by Mockingbird's passive:
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himatako said:
There are powers that you'd rather want them fired when the time is right to maximize its effect or powers that if you time it wrong it mess up your setup. Take Hulkbuster's red for example, if it's fired, even though it doesn't cost you AP, its effect will drain all of your red AP anyway. And a power that requires you to choose a tile(s) or a character will now be decided randomly if fired by her passive, which means more randomness.
On top of all this, her passive activates when the opponent makes a match of 4 or more, not you. This means it's kinda out of your control. So even though she's a support character like Coulson, it seems to me that you have to be more careful when you want to come up with a team for her.
That said, maybe all that really means is she's not a great teammate for Hulkbuster. Not a dealbreaker by any means. On the other hand, Firing either of Red Hulk's powers for free seems like a pretty good deal.
Combining with Carol and baiting the AI to make match-4s in its strongest color also seems hilarious.2 -
DrDevilDinosaur said:Have Devs forgotten their colour wheel again? Bombshell reads like a Black ability.
Outside of that, looks like some interesting new passives. Looks like her Yellow is why Colossus got reworked.
The power itself also typifies the generic destructive tendencies of Red more than the ruthlessness of Black. I'd probably have been ok with it either way, actually, although B/Y/P would have made an odd color combination for someone who is clearly not a crime lord (yes, I know C&D aren't crime-lords either).0 -
True, but they got their powers from mad scientist drug dealers conducting human experiments so I'd say it still works.0
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CrookedKnight said:True, but they got their powers from mad scientist drug dealers conducting human experiments so I'd say it still works.0
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jamesh said:MadScientist said:
The following characters have exactly one active power in each color when paired with Mockingbird, so you will know which one is fired by Mockingbird's passive:
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jamesh said:MadScientist said:
The following characters have exactly one active power in each color when paired with Mockingbird, so you will know which one is fired by Mockingbird's passive:
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I think OP's list was just a way of saying, "Hey, if you want to cut down on the randomness or guesswork of which powers will fire, bring these guys along."0 -
If you plan to build up AP just to hold onto it, in case the enemy gets a match-4 or greater, than I think you would have been much further ahead to just build AP to fire powers like normal. Sure it will be fun to have it as an objective during the match, but it's probably much more efficient to just accept it as a surprise when it happens.
Like G4mora's insta-kill, you probably shouldn't plan your whole match around getting it to fire off. Sure it's great when get to a point during the match where it's possible, but making it your main objective could get you wiped out.
Her abilities look cool, there's lots of team combo's that are starting to make sense.
C4rol like always, use her yellow to insta-resolve MB's red cd's for max damage + boost specials. MB's purple to gain tons of your strongest color on top of what Carol is getting from enemy matches.
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Four-star Loki except she can actually do damage. Yikes.
I foresee seeing her and C4rol together ad nauseum in SHIELD sim. Yay.0 -
DarthDeVo said:jamesh said:MadScientist said:
The following characters have exactly one active power in each color when paired with Mockingbird, so you will know which one is fired by Mockingbird's passive:
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I think OP's list was just a way of saying, "Hey, if you want to cut down on the randomness or guesswork of which powers will fire, bring these guys along."
The only way you could know for certain which power would be fired would be if your team had only a single active power. But since Mockingbird herself has two active powers, this is never the case.
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jamesh said:DarthDeVo said:jamesh said:MadScientist said:
The following characters have exactly one active power in each color when paired with Mockingbird, so you will know which one is fired by Mockingbird's passive:
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I think OP's list was just a way of saying, "Hey, if you want to cut down on the randomness or guesswork of which powers will fire, bring these guys along."
The only way you could know for certain which power would be fired would be if your team had only a single active power. But since Mockingbird herself has two active powers, this is never the case.0 -
jamesh said:The only way you could know for certain which power would be fired would be if your team had only a single active power. But since Mockingbird herself has two active powers, this is never the case.0
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40 years of Mocking Bird history in Marvel and you guys manage to choose the worst and most offensive of all her covers.
I mean, seriously, is Marvel choosing these for you or are you guys doing this on purpose. Because I don't feel enticed to roster her. Hopefully this cover will get switched out by a better one in the future. But for now I'm gonna skip her.1 -
Cthulhu said:edit: In my tests with Mockinbird during the Sinister Six event, the enemy's strongest AP color changed based on which boss was out and the answer is everyone's damage goes up by a flat amount before strike tiles. Then the strike tile does add more damage per what I'm seeing in my play throughs. I should have a confirmation by tomorrow.
1) Chtulu is right, the purple passive (secret mission) is a flat amount of extra damage, doesn't double proc off strike tiles.
2) As long as you have at least one more bombshell tile out, you wont take damage when CD hits. But if you double proc them and one gets matched away, you will take the hit when the third (and last) goes off. But her red is pretty good. Fortified and everything.
3) Dr. Strange does NOT fire off his Flames of Faltine when Opportunist triggers a power from a teammate.
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4) You CAN trigger a teammate power that has you select tiles. Hat tip to Jaedenkaal. Was able to proc GSBWs pistol and sniper rifle and Coulson's purple swap.
5) All the powers proc AFTER opponent finishes tile matching, and you can proc multiple times. I had Riri go off 3 times once.
6) There are a bunch of sexist tools who play this game and visit forum boards. The cover is sweet. Not sure how it can be at all "provocative"
(EDIT) What I can't yet tell is if Opportunist can proc a power that should not proc (like Loki's Trickery is no strike tiles exist). I'm thinking no, and haven't seen anything to make me thing there is an issue. Seems like you will always get some active power going off.
Mockingbird is.....surprisingly good. I started her off 5* SL and Kate since it led to color rainbow and they both have pricey powers. That worked okay, but with boosted Riri, she really started to shine. Riri tanked her red while the blue fed Bombshell (which is awesome when doubled at 18). Though maxed Riri red is clearly superior since the rework.
She is clearly best on a team that can generate AP and matches (Riri can do both) and has staying power so you can hoard AP. Loki was helpful, but Coulson is moreso (especially since his powers cost a bit) and the CD tiles will help build AP. I liked her with Riri, Vulture, C4rol, & Coulson that was good synergy since she really helps with AP generators.
Clearly, she is a nice counter to Switch and Phoenix, Iceman or even Riri. Fills a nice niche as a support character
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@fahq1977, thanks for that, especially points 4 and 5. I was curious how that power worked in action.
Most times the AI triggers a match 5 is through a cascade, so I was curious if as soon as the match happens, everything is put on pause while your power fires. Makes sense that it waits until all tile moving is done to fire friendly powers.
I knew they modified tile selecting powers to auto pick the tile(s), so thought it would be weird to have the AI cascade into a match 5, then all the sudden something like GSBW's purple power changes six random green tiles for you. I figured there had to be some way they would address that.
I wonder if it's just coincidence you haven't had a tile picking power proc yet.0 -
Try her with 3* Steve Rogers and 3* Black Widow. If it really won't use choice-required powers, you'll only ever see her own powers.2
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