Advice on 4* champing
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sinnerjfl said:
Its 10 red AP + 12 other AP... 22 AP ability for nearly 8k when not boosted, so 16k boosted.Bowgentle said:A terrible red?
25K for 12 red AP is bad?
Mkay.
No I dont think that's very good. Yeah sure if he's max champed im sure its 25k but how realistic is it to evalutate a character that way? <_<
Run him with an accelerator for any other colour, then.
Maxchamped? Not really. Last time I had him at 445 and he did 26K on red.
Get some more levels on him, then.
Of course you need to evaluate him at max levels, how else are you going to compare 4s in the long run.0 -
The 12 AP can be Red, and you only have to have the 12 AP as you fire it, not after the cost has been deducted. It's is also not a cost, just a requirement. If you did meet it using a color other than Red you can still use it to fire another ability afterwards, unlike (say) Smash, that actually costs 10 green AP in addition to 14 red. The real problem is that if you do meet that requirement, the damage is only acceptable.sinnerjfl said:Its 10 red AP + 12 other AP... 22 AP ability for nearly 8k when not boosted, so 16k boosted.
fwiw, Agent Venom at 270, boosted to 366 via the weekly boost, does right around ~9100/14,500 damage with Symbiotic Assault at 5 covers. Peggy's Ultimate Soldier does about 13,500 all of the time, and Buncha Fiddle Faddle would be either ~17,500 or ~28,500
I agree it's not helpful to claim that Agent Venom is great because he's boosted to 445. I'm pretty sure even Sandman would be great at 445. You can compare characters at any level you like, as long as it's the same level; the damage ratio is the same between them. As way more people have 4*s near 270 vs near 370, its more helpful in general to compare damage between characters at that level (or boosted equivalents)5 -
Is anyone actually arguing that Agent Venom is better than Blade or Riri? Or are we arguing that he's below them but still useful? Both of these arguments seem silly. No to the first, yes to the second.
Looks like my next two champs will be Fury (isn't he the first 4* ever??) and then Mordo because mine is at 13 covers and he's up next for PVE placement then progression. Not too too excited lol. Still the champ army marches on.0 -
No, he'd definitely be third on my champ list if I didn't have all three of them champed already.
Don't be too hard on Mordo, he's pretty decent now. Power with Purpose hits nearly as hard as Repulsor Punch, but only ever costs 9 AP, and currently (although this will likely be fixed) steals the 5 AP instead of just destroying it. So if you find someone stockpiling Purple AP, it'll only cost 4 AP, net. It's not great against goon-only missions because they really never accumulate AP, but it's fine against Dark Avengers and such, and should prove damn good against Ultron Sentries.0 -
Ahh okay. Close though!BlackBoltRocks said:
No, Xverine and Invisible Woman were the first two 4*. Nick was the third, and it says a lot about the state of the game 4 years ago that when he came out, Nick was to those two what Thano5 is to 5tarlord currentlyDaredevil217 said:Is anyone actually arguing that Agent Venom is better than Blade or Riri? Or are we arguing that he's below them but still useful? Both of these arguments seem silly. No to the first, yes to the second.
Looks like my next two champs will be Fury (isn't he the first 4* ever??) and then Mordo because mine is at 13 covers and he's up next for PVE placement then progression. Not too too excited lol. Still the champ army marches on.
So I have my own champ dilemma that I need advice on. I ended up #1 in Webbed Wonder and have 2 covers on the vine for Mordo (14 days) as well as my 1 Fury (5 days). I have 480k iso. I could:
1) Champ Nick now and I'll easily have the Iso to champ Mordo before his covers die in 2 weeks.
2) Sell Nick, champ Mordo now and get more use from him in the next PVE since he's featured and PVE is no longer scaling based.
#1 ensures no cover waste and both get champed. But I likely won't do as well in the next PVE. However, I have a feeling my string of top 10 PVE finishes is over anyway now that 5* players will be taking over.
#2 gives me a better shot at placing well in the current PVE (no matter how small the odds may be), but I'll likely lose two Nick covers (as soon as another 3* Widow pops up I'll have another Fury on the vine). My Winter Soldier is 4/2/4 so three covers would be beyond amazing.
If your ultimate goal is champing everyone, what would you do?0 -
Congrats on the finish. Personally, I didn't find Mordo to be super effective during my initial clear. He's at Level 289 for me, boosted to 394. Even though G4ocket isn't boosted in this event, I still think my most effective team was them, Medusa and G4mora. However, that's just the initial clear of the first sub.Daredevil217 said:
Ahh okay. Close though!BlackBoltRocks said:
No, Xverine and Invisible Woman were the first two 4*. Nick was the third, and it says a lot about the state of the game 4 years ago that when he came out, Nick was to those two what Thano5 is to 5tarlord currentlyDaredevil217 said:Is anyone actually arguing that Agent Venom is better than Blade or Riri? Or are we arguing that he's below them but still useful? Both of these arguments seem silly. No to the first, yes to the second.
Looks like my next two champs will be Fury (isn't he the first 4* ever??) and then Mordo because mine is at 13 covers and he's up next for PVE placement then progression. Not too too excited lol. Still the champ army marches on.
So I have my own champ dilemma that I need advice on. I ended up #1 in Webbed Wonder and have 2 covers on the vine for Mordo (14 days) as well as my 1 Fury (5 days). I have 480k iso. I could:
1) Champ Nick now and I'll easily have the Iso to champ Mordo before his covers die in 2 weeks.
2) Sell Nick, champ Mordo now and get more use from him in the next PVE since he's featured and PVE is no longer scaling based.
#1 ensures no cover waste and both get champed. But I likely won't do as well in the next PVE. However, I have a feeling my string of top 10 PVE finishes is over anyway now that 5* players will be taking over.
#2 gives me a better shot at placing well in the current PVE (no matter how small the odds may be), but I'll likely lose two Nick covers (as soon as another 3* Widow pops up I'll have another Fury on the vine). My Winter Soldier is 4/2/4 so three covers would be beyond amazing.
If your ultimate goal is champing everyone, what would you do?
Normally, if your goal is champing them all (my goal too), I'd lean towards Fury first since covers are expiring, especially if you feel comfortable in your ability to get the ISO for Mordo before his covers expire.0 -
Well, I just found out that Carnage is the next PVP progression reward. Mine is at 13 covers meaning he will be on the vine as well (If I can get to 900). I don't think I'll be able to champ all three and I feel Carnage is best of the three (especially with Medusa), while Mordo will see the most covers incoming (being a Latest). Makes me think Fury is the odd man out. Sucks because I know this is going to come up again when I stumble into a Widow cover.DarthDeVo said:
Congrats on the finish. Personally, I didn't find Mordo to be super effective during my initial clear. He's at Level 289 for me, boosted to 394. Even though G4ocket isn't boosted in this event, I still think my most effective team was them, Medusa and G4mora. However, that's just the initial clear of the first sub.Daredevil217 said:
Ahh okay. Close though!BlackBoltRocks said:
No, Xverine and Invisible Woman were the first two 4*. Nick was the third, and it says a lot about the state of the game 4 years ago that when he came out, Nick was to those two what Thano5 is to 5tarlord currentlyDaredevil217 said:Is anyone actually arguing that Agent Venom is better than Blade or Riri? Or are we arguing that he's below them but still useful? Both of these arguments seem silly. No to the first, yes to the second.
Looks like my next two champs will be Fury (isn't he the first 4* ever??) and then Mordo because mine is at 13 covers and he's up next for PVE placement then progression. Not too too excited lol. Still the champ army marches on.
So I have my own champ dilemma that I need advice on. I ended up #1 in Webbed Wonder and have 2 covers on the vine for Mordo (14 days) as well as my 1 Fury (5 days). I have 480k iso. I could:
1) Champ Nick now and I'll easily have the Iso to champ Mordo before his covers die in 2 weeks.
2) Sell Nick, champ Mordo now and get more use from him in the next PVE since he's featured and PVE is no longer scaling based.
#1 ensures no cover waste and both get champed. But I likely won't do as well in the next PVE. However, I have a feeling my string of top 10 PVE finishes is over anyway now that 5* players will be taking over.
#2 gives me a better shot at placing well in the current PVE (no matter how small the odds may be), but I'll likely lose two Nick covers (as soon as another 3* Widow pops up I'll have another Fury on the vine). My Winter Soldier is 4/2/4 so three covers would be beyond amazing.
If your ultimate goal is champing everyone, what would you do?
Normally, if your goal is champing them all (my goal too), I'd lean towards Fury first since covers are expiring, especially if you feel comfortable in your ability to get the ISO for Mordo before his covers expire.0 -
Update! (champ dilemma two: electric bugaloo)Daredevil217 said:
Well, I just found out that Carnage is the next PVP progression reward. Mine is at 13 covers meaning he will be on the vine as well (If I can get to 900). I don't think I'll be able to champ all three and I feel Carnage is best of the three (especially with Medusa), while Mordo will see the most covers incoming (being a Latest). Makes me think Fury is the odd man out. Sucks because I know this is going to come up again when I stumble into a Widow cover.DarthDeVo said:
Congrats on the finish. Personally, I didn't find Mordo to be super effective during my initial clear. He's at Level 289 for me, boosted to 394. Even though G4ocket isn't boosted in this event, I still think my most effective team was them, Medusa and G4mora. However, that's just the initial clear of the first sub.Daredevil217 said:
Ahh okay. Close though!BlackBoltRocks said:
No, Xverine and Invisible Woman were the first two 4*. Nick was the third, and it says a lot about the state of the game 4 years ago that when he came out, Nick was to those two what Thano5 is to 5tarlord currentlyDaredevil217 said:Is anyone actually arguing that Agent Venom is better than Blade or Riri? Or are we arguing that he's below them but still useful? Both of these arguments seem silly. No to the first, yes to the second.
Looks like my next two champs will be Fury (isn't he the first 4* ever??) and then Mordo because mine is at 13 covers and he's up next for PVE placement then progression. Not too too excited lol. Still the champ army marches on.
So I have my own champ dilemma that I need advice on. I ended up #1 in Webbed Wonder and have 2 covers on the vine for Mordo (14 days) as well as my 1 Fury (5 days). I have 480k iso. I could:
1) Champ Nick now and I'll easily have the Iso to champ Mordo before his covers die in 2 weeks.
2) Sell Nick, champ Mordo now and get more use from him in the next PVE since he's featured and PVE is no longer scaling based.
#1 ensures no cover waste and both get champed. But I likely won't do as well in the next PVE. However, I have a feeling my string of top 10 PVE finishes is over anyway now that 5* players will be taking over.
#2 gives me a better shot at placing well in the current PVE (no matter how small the odds may be), but I'll likely lose two Nick covers (as soon as another 3* Widow pops up I'll have another Fury on the vine). My Winter Soldier is 4/2/4 so three covers would be beyond amazing.
If your ultimate goal is champing everyone, what would you do?
Normally, if your goal is champing them all (my goal too), I'd lean towards Fury first since covers are expiring, especially if you feel comfortable in your ability to get the ISO for Mordo before his covers expire.
I ended up having Mordo jump the line and champed him first. Champing him really helped in his PVE essential node. I somehow didn't get creamed by 5* rosters and finished #1 in my PVE sub node! While great, if I hold top 10, My 4/2/4 Winter Soldier will be 5/3/5 with a champ level dying next progressional. If I sell two 2* I'll have 360K iso today with three people to champ in about 2 weeks. All are level 140 (to beat Crash), so 348k to champ.
1) Fury (2 days)- Second dying cover coming any day from Widow champ level.
2) Carnage (about 14-15 days)-The best of the three, and one I've been wanting most.
3) Winter Soldier (about 15-16 days)- He's esential for the Yondu PVE and I'm guessing better than Fury.
Will also need to dump 30k into Mr. Fantastic to make him crashable and replenish the 2* I'm selling (75k each).
I could:
a) Champ Fury now, likely get two champ levels, not have WS for PVE, risk losing 1 of Carnage/WS if I can't get iso in time (about 730k in 16 days completely free to play).
b) Sell Fury (maybe lose 2 covers), Champ WS now for his PVE, get Carnage in 2 weeks, then stop and replenish the 2 Farm.0 -
Update! (champ dilemma two: electric bugaloo)
Or some middle ground like selling that one Fury cover. When the next GSBW drops, you can hold it for another 14 days before add it to her to essentially have 28 days on the second Fury. By then, your queue may clean up and can safe that cover.
I ended up having Mordo jump the line and champed him first. Champing him really helped in his PVE essential node. I somehow didn't get creamed by 5* rosters and finished #1 in my PVE sub node! While great, if I hold top 10, My 4/2/4 Winter Soldier will be 5/3/5 with a champ level dying next progressional. If I sell two 2* I'll have 360K iso today with three people to champ in about 2 weeks. All are level 140 (to beat Crash), so 348k to champ.
1) Fury (2 days)- Second dying cover coming any day from Widow champ level.
2) Carnage (about 14-15 days)-The best of the three, and one I've been wanting most.
3) Winter Soldier (about 15-16 days)- He's esential for the Yondu PVE and I'm guessing better than Fury.
Will also need to dump 30k into Mr. Fantastic to make him crashable and replenish the 2* I'm selling (75k each).
I could:
a) Champ Fury now, likely get two champ levels, not have WS for PVE, risk losing 1 of Carnage/WS if I can't get iso in time (about 730k in 16 days completely free to play).
b) Sell Fury (maybe lose 2 covers), Champ WS now for his PVE, get Carnage in 2 weeks, then stop and replenish the 2 Farm.
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Quick question.
With 5 champed 4* so far (Carol, Blade, Medusa, Cyclops, Punisher) which one would be better to favourite and fi nish first:
Rulk (currently 4/2/5)
Groot (3/4/4)
I'm looking for a decent AoE character and Rulk was my priority untill I pulled some extra Groots. Groot looks to have really nice AoE plus some extra usefull other abilities.
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Alsmir said:Quick question.
With 5 champed 4* so far (Carol, Blade, Medusa, Cyclops, Punisher) which one would be better to favourite and fi nish first:
Rulk (currently 4/2/5)
Groot (3/4/4)
I'm looking for a decent AoE character and Rulk was my priority untill I pulled some extra Groots. Groot looks to have really nice AoE plus some extra usefull other abilities.
Groot.
He'll go very well with Carol.
Rulk has been left behind by power creep.1 -
Punisher is a strong AOE character. GROOT pairs amazing with both. Medusa and Carol.
Edit: you also don't have to worry about getting the wrong color yet as you have none of them at 5. Also higher chance of getting Grocket as they are still Latest.0 -
In short, both 4* Groot and Rulk are pretty good. Rulk is still a beast when boosted. He is also still a great green battery since he eliminates your opponents green and can fit in very nicely when making teams to accelerate another great green power. As a standalone character though, yes 4* Groot is probably better due to those tiles. For me though, 4* Groot is a little too squishy and a big target for tile stealing characters like Medusa. In addition, he is very luck dependent based on how those initial tiles pan out since many of them can get matched away very early in a match about half of the time. Paired with 4* Carol though, Groot is very dangerous as Bowgentle noted.0
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