Is there a reason why girls have lower HP?

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  • Dragon_Nexus
    Dragon_Nexus Posts: 3,701 Chairperson of the Boards
    Loki9876 said:
    I think the only "girl" in the game is Riri. Maybe Kamala, but she really more of a young woman...

    As someone in my alliance pointed out, it seems wrong to be pointing out the sexism in the game, and referring to the female characters as "girls"  :D
    But...we have no compunction saying "boys?"
    "I love Hulkbuster, man. He's mah BOY!"...that's what you kids say these days...isn't it?

    But in seriousness you know what I mean. The word "girls" is only derogatory if you ignore context.

    Also you forgot Kamala Khan.


    DFiPL said:
    My understanding was that health is balanced with strength/abilities, which is why dudes like Wolverine and Doctor Strange at the 3* tier have middling health. Both can heal (though only Wolverine's is true healing) and both have an ability with solid damage for the tier.

    And that's an argument I have thought of as well and in most cases it makes sense. Patch has more HP in practise because he's continuously healing. Healy characters tend to have lower HP.

    That said, X-Force wolvie has about 3000 HP less than my X-Force Deadpool. Medusa has a more effective heal than Doctor Strange comparitively and has the same health pool as Carol or Deadpool or X-23. Which again kinda makes Carol stand out.

    The "True healy" characters in 4* land actually have more HP than the OG healer XF Wolvie. And his healing is not even as good as theirs.

    Daiches said:
    Moonstone, the HP tank of the Dark Avengers, refutes your claim.
    Oh absolutely. But I suppose it backs up other peoples' argumen that the more powerful a character is, the less HP they have =3
  • PresidentDoom2020
    PresidentDoom2020 Posts: 180 Tile Toppler
    Carol has to be a bit flimsy, she's already raining damage on you constantly. like my champed Carol is doing 2500 damage to the whole enemy team when boosted with her green power if the strongest color is the same. could you imagine fighting her if she had like 40000+ HP? It's like she's a two foot Snickers bar and you have diabetes
  • spiderpool
    spiderpool Posts: 76 Match Maker
    edited July 2017
    Bowgentle said:
    "Girls"? Really? Sigh.
    Toots? Babe? Sweetcakes? Ah, Princess! You waanna throw me a clue here?  I'm drowning.

    Edit: lmao, I post a Casey Jones quote from a pg rated children's movie,  ninja turtles, and some one flags it as innapropriate. Somebody is thin skinned.
  • UNC_Samurai
    UNC_Samurai Posts: 402 Mover and Shaker
    spiderpool said:
    Bowgentle said:
    "Girls"? Really? Sigh.
    Toots? Babe? Sweetcakes? Ah, Princess! You waanna throw me a clue here?  I'm drowning.
    Just don't call them "broads", the dames hate that.
  • Dragon_Nexus
    Dragon_Nexus Posts: 3,701 Chairperson of the Boards
    BlackBoltRocks said:
    Gwenpool as well. She's extremely squishy, which balances and is balanced by her purple being the best board control power in the game, and her green doing more damage per AP than Moon Knight (Gwenpool does 12576 for 10AP, Moony does 12881 for 12AP). And even her black, which defaults to 3 covers, still negates almost 600 damage
    I'm kind of okay with Gwenpool since she has no super powers beyond comic book nerd knowledge.
    She's just a human girl. So being squishy makes sense.
  • Chrono_Tata
    Chrono_Tata Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    edited July 2017
    In fighting games there is a term for it: <lady part> tax.

    But yeah, generally higher health characters are basically tanky characters that need time to do damage, so they need higher health to stay alive, while characters with lower health are balanced by being able to dish out more damage faster. Tanky characters in games tend to be male, so if you look at rosters on a whole you would see that females tend to have lower health on average. 

    Actually in MPQ I feel that the distribution of health classes for female characters is relatively fair. If you look at games like Street Fighter 4 for example, not even a single female character has average or above average health (although it's interesting to note that the lowest health characters in the game are all male).

    EDIT: Apparently the scientific term for the external part of the female reproductive organ is considered a swear word.
  • StarScream
    StarScream Posts: 147 Tile Toppler
    BlackBoltRocks said:
    Gwenpool as well. She's extremely squishy, which balances and is balanced by her purple being the best board control power in the game, and her green doing more damage per AP than Moon Knight (Gwenpool does 12576 for 10AP, Moony does 12881 for 12AP). And even her black, which defaults to 3 covers, still negates almost 600 damage
    I would still give the edge to Moon Knight since you don't have to match a tile away to use his green. I had Gwenpool for a time and have used her loaner for some nodes in the past. It seemed like every time her gun tile was hidden in a corner somewhere never to be matched. **** Gwenpool. 

    One day I hope to have every character, but this one, I can patiently wait for. I hate random characters and she is made even worse that another of her powers, I have to look online for the codes. This broad should be redrawn to have her making sandwiches for all the boys. **** Gwenpool.
  • Dragon_Nexus
    Dragon_Nexus Posts: 3,701 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited July 2017
    StarScream said:
    BlackBoltRocks said:
    Gwenpool as well. She's extremely squishy, which balances and is balanced by her purple being the best board control power in the game, and her green doing more damage per AP than Moon Knight (Gwenpool does 12576 for 10AP, Moony does 12881 for 12AP). And even her black, which defaults to 3 covers, still negates almost 600 damage
    I would still give the edge to Moon Knight since you don't have to match a tile away to use his green. I had Gwenpool for a time and have used her loaner for some nodes in the past. It seemed like every time her gun tile was hidden in a corner somewhere never to be matched. tinykitty Gwenpool. 

    One day I hope to have every character, but this one, I can patiently wait for. I hate random characters and she is made even worse that another of her powers, I have to look online for the codes. This broad should be redrawn to have her making sandwiches for all the boys. tinykitty Gwenpool.
    That's why you use her purple to target it and do damage at the same time.

    I mean yeah she's tricky to use but after a while you start to remember some of the codes you'd use the most.
  • Felessa
    Felessa Posts: 161 Tile Toppler
    What I really never understood since I started playing, is why CStorm had fewer health than OBW (support) or 2* Torch (glass canon)? I mean, she must have the same physical strength of them, and not the one like a paper...  :/
  • Chrono_Tata
    Chrono_Tata Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    Felessa said:
    What I really never understood since I started playing, is why CStorm had fewer health than OBW (support) or 2* Torch (glass canon)? I mean, she must have the same physical strength of them, and not the one like a paper...  :/
    I assume they balanced her health based on her old power level. Her passive used to stupidly strong and she was the best 2-star after OBW. Having low health also makes it easier to trigger her passive.
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,477 Chairperson of the Boards
    Felessa said:
    What I really never understood since I started playing, is why CStorm had fewer health than OBW (support) or 2* Torch (glass canon)? I mean, she must have the same physical strength of them, and not the one like a paper...  :/

    OBW is a highly trained athlete, whereas that version of Storm relied more on her actual powers (3* Storm being the one who was more physical), so possibly that is why. Not sure about Torch though.
  • Jarvind
    Jarvind Posts: 1,684 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited July 2017
    While there might be a slight "lol its a girl make it squishy" bent to things, I'd wager this has more to do with balancing the strength of their powers. Gwenpool, Medusa, Carol and Riri all have lower than average health, but they also have extremely strong powers (before all you Riri haters start laughing, try using her red sometime. It hits like a truck). 

    Also, while they definitely aren't the majority, there are female characters with high health - Moonstone and 4Thor come to mind.

    To be honest, besides Thanos I can't actually think of any recently-released characters who have really high health. 
  • The Viceroy Returns
    The Viceroy Returns Posts: 493 Mover and Shaker
    UNC_Samurai said:
    spiderpool said:
    Bowgentle said:
    "Girls"? Really? Sigh.
    Toots? Babe? Sweetcakes? Ah, Princess! You waanna throw me a clue here?  I'm drowning.
    Just don't call them "broads", the dames hate that.
    Reminds of Weird Al's UHF:
    "I don't know how many time I've told those boys, 'never call chicks broads.' "
  • The Viceroy Returns
    The Viceroy Returns Posts: 493 Mover and Shaker
    edited July 2017
    Jarvind said:
    To be honest, besides Thanos I can't actually think of any recently-released characters who have really high health. 
    Back in the day, there used to be a fairly well thought out Hit Point Tier ranking per Star category that seemed like it was much more widely used, which tried to standardize how much health is gained per level.  You can see remnants of this if you compare characters on the MPQ Wiki.  You'll notice that a characters falls into a defined health progression.  Over the past year or so it seems like it's not as clearly defined as it once was, or even mentioned at all that its a thing by the devs, as some of them have secretly changed and moved around with little mention.

    But you're right, seems like the last like 7 or 8 4 Star releases have all had what equates to a Tier 7 or 8 ranking, which is more or less right down the middle (There are about 12 total for 4 Stars as of now).  Sandman has been noticeably higher, and Carol & Cloak & Dagger have been slightly lower.  Both newer 3 Stars (exactly the same Health Rank) have also been near the top-middle of the 3 Star health Tiers as well.
  • darkwatcherDEZ
    darkwatcherDEZ Posts: 112 Tile Toppler
    Dragon_Nexus said:

    Is there a reason why girls have lower HP?

    Because Moonstone steals it all (truth + sarcasm)

    Sarcasm aside... Carol Danvers is a super HP tank in her 2* and 3* iterations dwarfing Spiderman, Iron Fist, Deadppol, Magneto, etc. She must have channeled that extra HP into her awesome abilities in 4* land, but we are not upset at that at all.

    Squirrel Girl is no HP lightweight either, and She-Hulk is befitting her green status. Riri is oddly squishy in an Ironman suit, but those gauntlets though! Peggy should have more HP, but she is already a monster.
  • Straycat
    Straycat Posts: 963 Critical Contributor
    In C4rol's case, her energy absorption manifests itself as ap generation rather than health. So there's not a perfect 1 to 1 translation from comic character to game character, but I think her health makes sense. It also helps her be balanced. Although I never thought of her as being particularly weak.
    As for Riri, I haven't read her comics yet, but I would defend her low health since she is such a new hero and so young, she is probably not as durable as she should be. That could have been said about Nova and Kamala Khan too, but he's got the nova force and she's got inhuman healing. 
    I don't think the devs are doing an injustice to its female characters, if thats what the title is suggesting.
  • Berserk_Al
    Berserk_Al Posts: 411 Mover and Shaker
    I hope the developers react to this topic that doesn't actually bother me, by releasing a 5* Moon Girl, that would just be an upscaled Devil Dinosaur with one or two passives added.
    That would also help increase the ethnic diversity of the 5* tier (that I don't care about, either, but I like to comment about because some people think I'm serious).
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,477 Chairperson of the Boards
    There is still the option of having a 5* Carol in her ultimate form: Binary. That would probably break the game though.
  • Dragon_Nexus
    Dragon_Nexus Posts: 3,701 Chairperson of the Boards
    Yeah, after having Carol boosted this week, I'm finding myself less inclined to want to give her the next HP level up...

    But my point absolutely stands for Riri. I can understand having it lower, but it shouldn't be *that* low.
    And I absolutely agree with the comment on her red. It does more damage than Peggy Carter's.

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