Wording on cards vs rules
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Dear Devs,
Words have meaning. Especially Magic words. They carry rules bagage.
'Summoning' is not the same as having 'something enter the battlefield' and is not the same as 'casting'. A 'spell' is everything, not just non-creature and non-support card.
Please fix the following:
1)when a token creature enters the battlefield, have it trigger cards that care about things entering the battlefield. Example: Era of Innovation doesnt trigger when a token enters the battlefield. It should.
The same goes for Molten Nursery.
2) if MTGPQ doesnt want it to work that way on purpose. USE the right words. Like "when you summon" instead.
3) when you steal a creature, it doesnt enter the battlefield. It was already there. Dont have those creatures re-trigger their etb triggers.
Thank you.
Words have meaning. Especially Magic words. They carry rules bagage.
'Summoning' is not the same as having 'something enter the battlefield' and is not the same as 'casting'. A 'spell' is everything, not just non-creature and non-support card.
Please fix the following:
1)when a token creature enters the battlefield, have it trigger cards that care about things entering the battlefield. Example: Era of Innovation doesnt trigger when a token enters the battlefield. It should.
The same goes for Molten Nursery.
2) if MTGPQ doesnt want it to work that way on purpose. USE the right words. Like "when you summon" instead.
3) when you steal a creature, it doesnt enter the battlefield. It was already there. Dont have those creatures re-trigger their etb triggers.
Thank you.
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Althought I totally agree with you in general, and see this as a part of a bigger problem (there are tons of other examples of misleading wording, not to mention the grammar mistakes), I don't get your number one example -
Era of innovation triggers, when a creature with artificier enters the battlefield - as far as I know there are no such tokens. Molten Nursery triggers correctly, when a colorless creature (token) enters the battlefield (Saheeli machine gun) .
Point three didn't even come to my mind, but you're totally right. A lot of card texts need to be revised to give clarity, especially with +1k cards
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AFAIK, creatures' ETB effects didn't trigger when stolen (although they briefly triggered when returned--thankfully that's been fixed!).
Creature tokens will trigger effects on decoction module (and colorless creature tokens will trigger sram's effect).
I haven't experienced the issues you list recently; can you elaborate?0 -
Sarahschmara said:AFAIK, creatures' ETB effects didn't trigger when stolen (although they briefly triggered when returned--thankfully that's been fixed!).
I haven't used Confiscation Coup in a month or two, so I don't know if it has the same effect.
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my experience is creatures borrowed for the turn
(eg turn against) don't trigger etb. creatures
permanently changing sides (lay claim) does
trigger etb.
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Laeuftbeidir said:
Era of innovation triggers, when a creature with artificier enters the battlefield - as far as I know there are no such tokens.0 -
While we are having this conversation - we've lived with poorly worded secondary objectives that require us to "summon" a specific number of creatures. However, it never counts those creatures when you "summon" them with a spell or PW ability. In paper Magic the language is precise and concise. The words are literally part of the artwork on the card. It's how a game this complex has managed to last this long.1
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I'm surprised as well with the confusing wordings and texts they use. MtG is one of the most popular card games, which prides itself with careful uses of wordings so the rules and effects of cards are clearly and concisely described. If I am a higher up in MtG managment, I would never allow a mobile game like his to use MtG name without meeting the standard that MtG should hold.3
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wereotter said:Laeuftbeidir said:
Era of innovation triggers, when a creature with artificier enters the battlefield - as far as I know there are no such tokens.
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Another example: Gideon 3 second ability, which exiles a creature and adds its attack and defense to other creatures you control, does't work if the target creature is disabled. The target is still exiled. But other creatures don't gain a bonus.0
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As the OP, i see now that I was mistaken on Era of Innovation triggers. RTFC, i says "artificer creature" not any creature. So thats solved.
Still, my point on not using careful wording stands. I think Matt Tabak or Eli , rules managers from WotC should look at this and consult.
Summoning isnt synonimous with casting, tokens are summoned too and also enter the battlefield. This also goes for supports. Creatures and supports when cast are spells also until they are on the battlefield, this should also be fixed.
Also, token creatures should always be able to be 'unsummoned/bounced' just like regular creatures. Please fix.
Also temp steal doesnt cause ETB effects to trigger but permanent stealing like Lay Claim do. This is wrong and should be fixed.0 -
How about the fact that reinforced creatures count as multiples for Embalm or if named Scrapheap Scrounger, but NOT when bounced to hand/deck or in the case of Despoiler of Souls?
Don't get me wrong—I understand limited screen space is why they went with the reinforcing idea instead of allowing a player to have 2-3 identical creatures on his/her field at a time. HOWEVER...once a creature has been reinforced, it should count as ONE CREATURE for ALL further purposes—embalm, in-graveyard effects, bounce, whatever—NOT as one creature for some, and multiple creatures for others.1 -
Nathanyel said:How about the fact that reinforced creatures count as multiples for Embalm or if named Scrapheap Scrounger, but NOT when bounced to hand/deck or in the case of Despoiler of Souls?
Don't get me wrong—I understand limited screen space is why they went with the reinforcing idea instead of allowing a player to have 2-3 identical creatures on his/her field at a time. HOWEVER...once a creature has been reinforced, it should count as ONE CREATURE for ALL further purposes—embalm, in-graveyard effects, bounce, whatever—NOT as one creature for some, and multiple creatures for others.0 -
@DumasAG I don't have an issue with the reinforce mechanic; I actually think it's a very reasonable adaptation to the limited field size offered by a phone screen. What I DO have an issue with is that the reinforcing creature is sometimes still treated as a creature for bouncing/destruction/etc., and sometimes it's not.1
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