Trial of the Planes - Limited Time Lower Entry Cost

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  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ohboy said:
    You don't buy boosters at all? 

    Do you just rely on event rewards and daily packs or something? 

    That's actually super impressive 

    I buy premium packs, not boosters
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    First time I've participated, and so far have gotten my crystals back via winning all my games through heroic node. I'm fine with this structure and would regularly play if I had a realistic chance of getting my crystals back. I would still SIGNIFICANTLY rather have a random rare as opposed to the free booster. I'll take the guaranteed rare over the (so, so, so low...) chance of a mythic
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    A rare over a booster is too generous, since a premium pack with a guaranteed rare is 300 crystals.  
  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    I hadn't realized how they made the payback much easier until this sale.  Last time I played you had to win 100%, now just 66%. It makes full price look more tempting too. 
  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    I never played TotP at 60 crystals; but at 30 it's attractive enough for me to get into it.
    Kyokudai said:

    Supposedly a premium pack (300 crystal one) has better odds for rares/mythic pulls

    There's no evidence for this; as far as anyone can tell, each 5-card pack in a premium pack is indistinguishable from a stand-alone 5-card pack.
  • Gilesclone
    Gilesclone Posts: 735 Critical Contributor
    Premium pack comes with a bonus rare.  
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    The question really boils down to how much you would pay for a random rare. 


  • speakupaskanswer
    speakupaskanswer Posts: 306 Mover and Shaker
    If they keep it this way, I will play Trial of the Planes every day. It will be hard to go back to the old model.
  • gillkonam
    gillkonam Posts: 70 Match Maker
    This is one of the things they've done right, and I applaud them for it. It kicks a little back to the players.
  • Phillmoore
    Phillmoore Posts: 207 Tile Toppler
    I agree.  This is a much nicer price.  Definitely should get one booster pack and odds are that you should also get your credits back - not always a given but you should pick up some gems or the such as well.  Actually fun and challenging and priced right now 
  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    Suddenly unobtanium feels a touch more obtainable. I just wish the packs had all the cards in them though...
  • gillkonam
    gillkonam Posts: 70 Match Maker
    I don't expect this all the time. I think it's a nice occasional kiss on the cheek for players every once in a while. So again a little more this keeps things feeling a little bit more airy.
  • speakupaskanswer
    speakupaskanswer Posts: 306 Mover and Shaker
    Just to prove my previous statement, I am not paying TotP anymore since it reverted to its former entry fee.
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards

    Well, I am not sure it was as much a kiss on the cheek that we can expect in the future, rather than a one time "sale" to try and lure more players into the mix.

    From a pure math basis it's clearly a good deal for players who can consistently win 8 or 12 nodes.

    Option 1:

    Spend 300 crystals on a premium pack

    Option 2:

    Play TotP every day for two weeks. 10 days x 30 crystals = 300 crystal total cost.

    Option 1 yields: 25 cards + 1 guaranteed rare. 

    Expected cards: Mythic: 1% x 25 = .25 mythics

                               Rares: 4% x 25 = 1 rare. + 1 guaranteed = 2 rares

    Option 2 yields: 200 unobtanium & 10 boosters = 50 cards. 

    Expected returns: Mythics: 1% x 50 = 0.5 mythics, 200 unobtanium = .5 mythics = 1 mythic.

                                 Rares:  4% x 50 = 2 rares

    So you get more expected mythics (including half of a guaranteed, targetable mythic/masterpiece) and the same amount of expected rares.  You don't get a "guaranteed" rare, but you do get 1/2 of a guaranteed mythic.

    I


  • Corn_Noodles
    Corn_Noodles Posts: 477 Mover and Shaker
    I was told there would be no math.
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards
    It just amazes me that we have really solid statistical data on drop rates and yet we seem incapable of answering simple questions like... should I play this?
  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor
    edited June 2017

    I might actually try this event sometime if they fixed the timing.

    1. They don't run it on weekends.  Big mistake.

    2. During the week, when I have time to play, the current event is ending, and the next event doesn't start for another hour after the prior one ends, so I actually don't have time to play either of them.

    Still haven't run this event a single time.  Even during the 30 crystal sale.


    Edit:  Just ran it this morning for kicks (instead of working!), now that I have N3 and Kiora running Drake Haven.  Didn't lose a match, but there were some tough decks that I simply would not have beaten if I wasn't cheating with cycling.

  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    babar3355 said:
    It just amazes me that we have really solid statistical data on drop rates and yet we seem incapable of answering simple questions like... should I play this?

    Seriously? 

    I wasn't even the only one who tried to show the math

    The answers have always been there. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. 

  • Kinesia
    Kinesia Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards
    I really really appreciated the lower cost. I couldn't afford to _risk_ my crystals on the full price. The lower price makes it ok. I can usually get the first booster but not always, I am _not_ at the level of the masterpiece decks that are rampart so competing is hard.
    This is _not_ something people can just afford to take part in. The elitism actually makes it _more_ restrictive and hard for anyone to break in.

    The lower price should be permanent.

    With the masterpieces and mythics... Pricing needs a balance run. There are a lot of things that are good cards but too expensive to play and others that are being gotten out far too quickly and breaking the gameplay balance.

    Doing things like restricting people to 1 masterpiece per deck and 2 mythics per deck would improve balance and let people play against each other better. Since we can't pick our opponents the balancing between people needs to be a lot better.

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