Standard is going to kill this game.

ifsandbuts
ifsandbuts Posts: 51 Match Maker
in MtGPQ General Discussion
I have been hanging on by a thread since the unobtanium release, and I think the standard environment, combined with the drop rates, just killed it for me.

Great way to set everyone back to n00b status and make sure that the whales really come out on top. I was hoping all of the rares/mythics I had before you got stingy with your rewards would become unplayable! It is really pleasant after all the garbage you have heaped on this community lately!

And yes, I WAS really looking forward to building all new, **** decks for each of my planeswalkers!
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  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/64591/standard

  • ifsandbuts
    ifsandbuts Posts: 51 Match Maker
    wereotter said:
    Girl, bye.
    Actually, I prefer the pronouns it/sham/youse.

    SELF CRIT OR YOU WILL BE BANNED.

    Also, you say all this now, but once the whales dump a few K into unobtanium and get all the mythics, while you are sitting on some uncommons and the war oracle shteev mentioned in the other thread, I think you are going to change your tune.

    Girl.
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Dumping money into the game to get mythics is never going to be as efficient as the old system of getting 2-3 mythics a week for free for 200 people.

    How come no one thought that was breaking the game then?
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    Sham's just mad he can't use his old, broken cards and now must think when creating a deck.

    Also, here's a newsflash, you can't just dump large amounts of money into the game for unobtanium. There's still a limited amount even if you play every Trial of the Planes and buy every real money offer. Those who want to get them that way can dump money into crystals to spin the wheel on packs, but that's about it. We're all back to a more even field, and it'll be harder for older players to always have a built-in advantage. 
  • ifsandbuts
    ifsandbuts Posts: 51 Match Maker
    edited May 2017
    Ohboy said:
    Dumping money into the game to get mythics is never going to be as efficient as the old system of getting 2-3 mythics a week for free for 200 people.

    How come no one thought that was breaking the game then?
    Because we could actually get mythics in packs then. I have never been in a top 100 coalition, but still have plenty of rares/mythics I got through QB/pack luck.

    Now the only way to get mythics consistently is money. If the game is going ro survive, the whales need f2ps to lord over. If you remove the mythics we already had AND make it nearly impossible to get new ones without the purple stuff, bye bye f2ps.

    Bring back the participant counters in events and we can track it for science!
  • ifsandbuts
    ifsandbuts Posts: 51 Match Maker
    wereotter said:
    Sham's just mad he can't use his old, broken cards and now must think when creating a deck.
    Sham's just mad SHAM, cisnorm oppressor.
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    I've been f2p and this can only be good going forward for f2ps. Seriously...if you think whales are going to be buying as many mythics as they used to hand out for free...you're very much mistaken.

    I don't know what you're talking about. You can still get mythics in packs. The only thing that changed in that list of yours was qb.
  • ifsandbuts
    ifsandbuts Posts: 51 Match Maker
    Also, this game sucks.
  • ifsandbuts
    ifsandbuts Posts: 51 Match Maker
    edited May 2017
    We are just starting the arms race all over again. This is effectively a reset that puts everyone back to zero.

    The money is going to talk and the non-f2p will get the best cards and we f2p have even less chance to compete.

    You can say this is good for the health of the game, and I know that in a business sense it is best in the short term, but we are going to be having the same conversation at the next rotation.

    Assuming the game makes it.
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    Another "x is going to kill this game" thread... Moving along... 
  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor

    Hey guys, since the power level has now been brought down to earth, why do you assume you need Mythics to survive?

    They certainly help, but they're not mandatory.

    In addition, Standard is only for the PVP duels, which is only a subset of the content.

  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    ifsandbuts said:
    This is effectively a reset that puts everyone back to zero.
    ifsandbuts said:
    f2p have even less chance to compete.
    How can both of these things be true?

  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    Intentionally probably because paying players will recover much faster.
    I totally like the new format. It's totally nuts, but I like it that way!
  • ifsandbuts
    ifsandbuts Posts: 51 Match Maker
    Volrak said:
    ifsandbuts said:
    This is effectively a reset that puts everyone back to zero.
    ifsandbuts said:
    f2p have even less chance to compete.
    How can both of these things be true?

    See the post above. Paying players are going to have a much better chance too pull mythics/rares.

    They will outclass the proles very quickly.
  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    ifsandbuts said:

    See the post above. Paying players are going to have a much better chance too pull mythics/rares.

    They will outclass the proles very quickly.
    A reset back to zero puts everyone on a level playing field, momentarily.  Sure, paid players will move ahead at a faster rate, like they've always done.  But instead of moving ahead at a faster rate from 10 miles down the track, a reset would mean they're moving ahead at a faster rate from right beside the f2p players.  A reset would therefore seem to make f2p players more competitive, not less.

  • ifsandbuts
    ifsandbuts Posts: 51 Match Maker
    You are looking at this as if it were happening in the game state that existed 6 months ago.

    The rewards that let the f2p folks get 2/3 of the way to the point where the paid players were do not exist anymore.

    Sure, we are all on a level playing field now, but without the more liberal rewards to the f2p group, they will quickly become outclassed.
  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    Ok, I see where you're coming from now.

    I'd model it with three groups - "paid", "elite", and "the rest".

    I'd say:
    • "The rest" have momentarily been put on a somewhat level playing field with "paid" and "elite", due to Standard
    • The rate at which "paid" will run away from "elite" and "the rest" may be faster now, due to top-level rewards being nerfed
    • The rate at which "elite" will run away from "the rest" may be slower now, due to top-level rewards being nerfed
  • voodoo_gremlin
    voodoo_gremlin Posts: 61 Match Maker
    I'm not happy with my standard experience TODAY and probably for the next few weeks simply because I don't have the cards. I'm willing to reserve judgement for a month.

     For the above reason, we probably shouldn't have standard events based around Amonkhet goals for a month or two, even up to the release of hour of destruction.

    What should be there instead, as loathed as I am to say it, we should still have Kaladesh/Aether Revolt events. I have come to hate energy and vehicle goals in events as much as the next person. I'm bored with it and it's a flawed mechanic and the third main mechanic of the block never got a focused event, fabricate,  but let's face it we have the cards. 
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    @voodoo_gremlin
    Your post totally fits to the proposal some weeks ago, and for which I'm making pub shamelessly right now - link in my signature

    I don't have a problem with paying players having an advantage. Apart from Baral, the advantages are always somehow balanced by the ai not playing perfectly.. Also, the people that pay make this game free for us.

    I think the players who are most skilled in deck building and improvising will set themselves up from the rest, shaking the elite group a bit - some will fall, some will rise, and that also affects paying players. Diversity is a good thing I'd say

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