Standard

shteev

Wow. Playing in Standard kinda sucks.

I mean, I thought my deck was bad, but I'm playing against a War Oracle right now.

A War Oracle.

In Platinum Tier.

In an Event Deck.

shteev

Now I'm fighting an Enthralling Victor.

In Platinum Tier.

Corn_Noodles

You should git gud.

wereotter

This is what happens then the power explosion from Innistrad disappears. I'm not at all upset by this change. 

Mainloop25

Hell, I use the little mummy cat in my Trials white node deck. Quite shamelessly. Other than the black kill spell, that and the white Cartouche are surprisingly standout commons...

wereotter

Mainloop25 said:

Hell, I use the little mummy cat in my Trials white node deck. Quite shamelessly. Other than the black kill spell, that and the white Cartouche are surprisingly standout commons...

Rhet-Crop Spearmaster has been pretty good for a common too. Especially when combined with Djeru's Resolve if it would otherwise die.

Thuran

And this thread is why I'm loving standard! The game feels fresh and exciting, and the flatter power curve allows room for cards that would otherwise not see play. 

I, for one, really like skywhaler's shot as virtually unconditional white removal! 

Steeme

I'm playing with cards I would have never used before.  This is a good thing.

damonsteine

kinda enjoyed tinkering decks for "standard", at least for today. an extra deck slot just for standard would be helpful. 

devs, can we stop the counter intuitive objectives that forces us to do things like kill our own creatures? 

shteev

I appreaciate that the lower Tiers probably like the challenge of playing against weak cards, but I did not make my way to Platinum Tier to play against cards like Enthralling Victor.

Steeme

shteev said:

I appreaciate that the lower Tiers probably like the challenge of playing against weak cards, but I did not make my way to Platinum Tier to play against cards like Enthralling Victor.

Matchmaking is the issue.  Not standard.  I've faced weak decks, and I've also faced very strong decks.  The stronger decks of course had no AKH cards, as they ignored objectives.

shteev

Steeme said:

shteev said:

I appreaciate that the lower Tiers probably like the challenge of playing against weak cards, but I did not make my way to Platinum Tier to play against cards like Enthralling Victor.

Matchmaking is the issue.  Not standard.  I've faced weak decks, and I've also faced very strong decks.  The stronger decks of course had no AKH cards, as they ignored objectives.

Well, you're right there. Matchmaking (and, also, card balance). The guy I'm just facing now doesn't appear to be playing for the objectives in TOA.... Gideon 1 playing Enlightened Ascetic and Murder Investigation (also, a Dynavolt Tower!).

Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter if it's not Standard's fault that it's being broken by matchmaking, and card balance. These problems exist, they aren't going anywhere, and Standard will suffer badly as a result.

Playing with cards that you've never used before is good. Playing against terrible cards that no-one has ever played before with good reason, that's not good.

Steeme

shteev said:

Steeme said:

shteev said:

I appreaciate that the lower Tiers probably like the challenge of playing against weak cards, but I did not make my way to Platinum Tier to play against cards like Enthralling Victor.

Matchmaking is the issue.  Not standard.  I've faced weak decks, and I've also faced very strong decks.  The stronger decks of course had no AKH cards, as they ignored objectives.

Well, you're right there. Matchmaking (and, also, card balance). The guy I'm just facing now doesn't appear to be playing for the objectives in TOA.... Gideon 1 playing Enlightened Ascetic and Murder Investigation (also, a Dynavolt Tower!).

Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter if it's not Standard's fault that it's being broken by matchmaking, and card balance. These problems exist, they aren't going anywhere, and Standard will suffer badly as a result.

Playing with cards that you've never used before is good. Playing against terrible cards that no-one has ever played before with good reason, that's not good.

It begs the question how that player made it into platinum in the first place.  Perhaps it's also an issue where a player's mastery should be based on the current level of mastered cards, and not total mastery level.

Another theory is, since this is a brand new set, perhaps some players have come back after a lengthy break?

Also ****?  I ran into the Enlightened Ascetic as well.  No match for my new bird warrior.

Edit: Blasted censorship.

ElfNeedsFood

shteev said:

Wow. Playing in Standard kinda sucks.

I mean, I thought my deck was bad, but I'm playing against a War Oracle right now.

A War Oracle.

In Platinum Tier.

In an Event Deck.

My "What the?" moment was seeing Bonded Construct in Platinum....

ElfNeedsFood

Steeme said:

shteev said:

Playing with cards that you've never used before is good. Playing against terrible cards that no-one has ever played before with good reason, that's not good.

Another theory is, since this is a brand new set, perhaps some players have come back after a lengthy break?

I'm wondering if Autofill has something to do with this too. People enter a deck with lots of now banned cards and autofill while they either don't play or play other nodes before they fix the deck up...

EDHdad

@ElfNeedsFood - it's possible you saw a combo piece, and that the AI failed to launch the combo.

In a Saheeli deck, for example, Bonded Construct has synergy with her 1st ability (with Thopters on board, it can attack), her 2nd ability (it's a construct, so it gets a pump), and her 3rd ability (casting a Bonded Construct will help to power up any vehicles which are in your hand).  It casts for free with Day's Undoing.  Also, with Day's Undoing, if you discard a Scrapheap Scrounger when you cast Day's, and if the Day's spawns a Bonded Construct, and if that Bonded Construct should meet with an unfortunate accident, then the Scrapheap Scrounger can be cheated into play.

@shteev - you complain about cards which you think are overpowered, and you complain about cards you think are underpowered.  If you can't deal with War Oracle, "run more removal".

shteev

EDHdad said:

@shteev - you complain about cards which you think are overpowered, and you complain about cards you think are underpowered.  If you can't deal with War Oracle, "run more removal".

It's weird, isn't it, it's almost as if I want the game to be properly balanced.

Today I fought someone playing Rhox Maulers, and Thopter Spy Network. I don't even know what to think about that.

speakupaskanswer

But we're in a phase of accomodating to the new circumstances. I really appreciate it personally because I don't want to still face Olivia and the Pig and whatnot three blocks from now. Also, this will change once the new good cards become more available. I played against an almost completely rare/mythic-AKH deck today and it was not easy. This is what change feels like.

shteev

speakupaskanswer said:

But we're in a phase of accomodating to the new circumstances. I really appreciate it personally because I don't want to still face Olivia and the Pig and whatnot three blocks from now.

Yes, isn't it great that we wont have to face current broken cards in Standard in a year's time.

LakeStone said:

Cards like Deploy the Gatewatch, Olivia, Mobilized for War, Mirrorpool, etc. are incredibly strong, and we want to be able to make more cards like these in the future.

Ohboy

Standard is fine.

War oracle is playable.

Not everyone got multiple mythics for free every week for almost a year.

Not everyone started at origins and have great origin cards.

Not everyone has the vast collections of The Shteev.

shteev

Ohboy said:

Standard is fine.

War oracle is playable.

Not everyone got multiple mythics for free every week for almost a year.

Not everyone started at origins and have great origin cards.

Not everyone has the vast collections of The Shteev.

Indeed. But there is literally no reason why I should play my games against those people. I've got loads of mythics from Origins and Kaladesh. So have a lot of other players. I should be playing against them. And, I bet, all those people who don't have my awesome collection probably wish they didn't have to play against me.