Please Don't Run BP Again

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  • James13
    James13 Posts: 665 Critical Contributor
    Why run again?  The only times events have been repeated explicitly in recent history is when rewards were literally impossible to obtain.

    It's over.  RE is released into the wild in a few weeks in packs and probably appearing soon in elite packs just like event exclusive KLD were.
  • PastrySpider
    PastrySpider Posts: 127 Tile Toppler
    edited May 2017
    I'm in favor of it being run again because me and a bunch of other folks have been locked out of playing since the last update due to an unfixed bug (the "claim match" bug).  
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2017
    James13 said:
    Why run again?  The only times events have been repeated explicitly in recent history is when rewards were literally impossible to obtain.
      Well,  the two barals expertise in my collection do disagree with this statement..?
  • EDHdad
    EDHdad Posts: 609 Critical Contributor
    I crashed and burned miserably in the BP event, since I was lacking the key cards to put my energy decks over the top.

    Since then, I have pulled Deadlock Trap and Lightning Runner, which would have made my decks highly competitive and very likely a contender for top 50.

    Also, I found out that the event was apparently brackets of 3,000 players, so it would have been advantageous to wait until a few hours left on the last day to start slogging away.

    My preference would be for Rishkar's Expertise to be Nerfed into oblivion.  For example "convert 20 gems to green.  Then discard your hand.  At the end of this turn, you lose the game."

    Barring that, however, I would certainly like to have another crack at the card, so that I could enjoy playing it for the two weeks it takes for them to realize that they made a horrible, horrible mistake and end up Nerfing the card anyway.
  • James13
    James13 Posts: 665 Critical Contributor
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    James13 said:
    Why run again?  The only times events have been repeated explicitly in recent history is when rewards were literally impossible to obtain.
      Well,  the two barals expertise in my collection do disagree with this statement..?
    It was broken for the entire run of the event.  A node was unplayable by everyone.

    This even was not broken to anywhere near the same standard, regardless of how miffed people feel.  Plenty of perfect scores were testament to that.

    While I have been hit with uncontrolled technical losses before, I've never once seen those event where I was among a fraction of the community impacted repeated.  Nor did I expect or demand them to be.
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2017
    @james13
    I wanted to point out that the event might have been broken, but it wasn't impossible to collect the reward. Players who have been able to beat all the 3.x fights had no problem to win the reward the first time. I do agree : the event was broken, and there haven't been a fair chance for everyone to win the reward. But not no chance.. And that's exactly how I'd describe the result of the BP event.
  • James13
    James13 Posts: 665 Critical Contributor
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    @james13
    I wanted to point out that the event might have been broken, but it wasn't impossible to comment the reward. Players who have been able to beat all the 3.x fights had no problem to win the reward the first time. I do agree : the event was broken, and there haven't been a fair chance for everyone to win the reward. But not no chance.. And that's exactly how I'd describe the result of the BP event.
    I don't think I agree.  Sorry.  No one gave me another chance in December events where I was in a portion of the community was whitescreened out of matches.

    The (sometimes unintended and sometimes stated) implication is that the people who got Rishkars Expertise this time around were less worthy than others.  And I find that distasteful.  I don't think this is an exception to the mythic award events.  People have had crashed games in Dynavolt, Marvel, etc.  And no exception has been made to "give them another shot".  I move on if I fail to get handed a mythic.

    But I think I've gone on enough here.  So I'm letting this lie as-is.  I just wanted to have a dissenting opinion somewhere on record here and try to give voice to my view on the matter since I sometimes find the forums to be an echo chamber.  You don't have to agree with me, either.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    James13 said:
    Why run again?  The only times events have been repeated explicitly in recent history is when rewards were literally impossible to obtain.
      Well,  the two barals expertise in my collection do disagree with this statement..?

    Baral's Expertise was a progression reward.  They have only re-run an "exclusive mythic reward" event one time, by adding Saheeli Rai events a month after the initial one.
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    madwren said:
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    James13 said:
    Why run again?  The only times events have been repeated explicitly in recent history is when rewards were literally impossible to obtain.
      Well,  the two barals expertise in my collection do disagree with this statement..?

    Baral's Expertise was a progression reward.  They have only re-run an "exclusive mythic reward" event one time, by adding Saheeli Rai events a month after the initial one.

    Yes, they did that only one time - but that doesn't change a thing when it comes to my statement. 
    I was only referring to the very part of the post I quoted: there was at least one event that was bugged and rerun althought the reward was possible to obtain. Nothing more, nothing less. No need to overinterpretate and disagree with it, althought you're right @madwren  , when you want to imply that the circumstances are different.

    In the second post I just compared the both events, with the conclusion, that the bugs of both events resulted in  a distortion of the distribution of the rewards.
    When you brake it down to this, the same happened with the Saheeli event; the re-run was a reaction to the distortion caused by bugs affecting the whole playerbase. The bugs in december however caused also huge distortions, but didn't affect the playerbase as a whole. 
    This is also something I pointed out: not a jugdgement of any kind. Was it fair? Hell, no! But fairness doesn't seem to be the decisive condition to rerun an event.

    James13 said:
    The (sometimes unintended and sometimes stated) implication is that the people who got Rishkars Expertise this time around were less worthy than others.  And I find that distasteful.  I don't think this is an exception to the mythic award events.  People have had crashed games in Dynavolt, Marvel, etc.  And no exception has been made to "give them another shot".  I move on if I fail to get handed a mythic.
    I didn't interpret the statements (you are referring to) in the same way you did, but I get your point and totally understand why you are upset! In my opinion, everyone who was able to collect this reward was "worthy", because they definetely did something right when building and playing their decks ( althought I would never dare to judge on the "worthyness" of others ) . 
    I lost one or two matches, plus some matches were counted as a loss, so even without the crashes I wouldn't have been in the top 50. I actually do not care if the event is rerun; I'd like it to happen, but only because it is a really cool event.
  • ZW2007-
    ZW2007- Posts: 812 Critical Contributor
    Ironically enough, I think the Saheeli Rai event was re-run a third time because a lot of people had issues during the second run. I personally could not even join the event on its second run, got the classic "Something went wrong..." when I tapped join event. The real kicker was that I didn't get my coalition's top 10 placement mythic reward because I didn't join the event and support wouldn't compensate me since I didn't join the event.... but I digress. Point is, based on the third run of the Saheeli Rai event, there is certainly a precedent for them to re-run Breaking Points with Rishkar's Expertise as the reward. Given that new Ajani will be available for crystals next week, it's a perfect opportunity to push everyone into buying him so they can participate. I did not win the exclusive and personally I'd rather they not re-run the event because I don't want to have to bother competing for it again after getting hosed last time. Too much stress for something that is supposed to be fun.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    ZW2007- said:
    Ironically enough, I think the Saheeli Rai event was re-run a third time because a lot of people had issues during the second run.
    I don't believe a word of it. I think Saheeli Rai was rerun beacuse WOTC made them do it.
  • ZW2007-
    ZW2007- Posts: 812 Critical Contributor
    Ha, you're probably quite right about that. I wish they'd flex their license muscles like that more often and force them to improve things around here.
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    What makes you think only the decisions you liked are forced by wotc and the ones you hate are done by the devs lol. 
  • DuskPaladin
    DuskPaladin Posts: 123 Tile Toppler
    I think I can answer that for @zw2007 ,@ohboy. My guess would be because WotC has more than twenty years of experience in their brand and has managed to keep their players interested in their still flourishing game. While on the other hand, D3H only has one and a half year of experience, and already managed to alienate a huge part of their players. We've all lost members.

    Realistically, who would you trust to take the right decisions?

    (I'll preemptively say this, yes I believe that we can compare MTG to PQMTG, despite the fact that they are not exactly the same game.)
  • ridfrenzy
    ridfrenzy Posts: 127 Tile Toppler
    edited May 2017
    I would just lose enough to place outside top 50 tbh. I may be a ****, but I am not 100% a **** :P
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    ridfrenzy said:
    I would just lose enough to place outside top 50 tbh. I may be a tinykitty, but I am not 100% a tinykitty :P
    ...unless it's funny, right @ridfrenzy?
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    bken1234 said:
    ridfrenzy said:
    I would just lose enough to place outside top 50 tbh. I may be a tinykitty, but I am not 100% a tinykitty :P
    ...unless it's funny, right @ridfrenzy?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mU0HfI2jQ

  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    shteev said:
    bken1234 said:
    ridfrenzy said:
    I would just lose enough to place outside top 50 tbh. I may be a tinykitty, but I am not 100% a tinykitty :P
    ...unless it's funny, right @ridfrenzy?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mU0HfI2jQ

    @shteev, @ridfrenzy -- you're both my favorites. Thank you. 
  • ridfrenzy
    ridfrenzy Posts: 127 Tile Toppler
    bken1234 said:
    ridfrenzy said:
    I would just lose enough to place outside top 50 tbh. I may be a tinykitty, but I am not 100% a tinykitty :P
    ...unless it's funny, right @ridfrenzy?
    Well if @shteev was in position 50 and I had to lose points not to place in the top 50 then that might be the exception to the rule :D

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