Please Don't Run BP Again

bk1234
bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
in MtGPQ General Discussion
I've seen many posts asking for BP to be run again so those who lost out on RE because of a messy, buggy update can have another crack at it. This is an absolutely horrible idea -- see the case study below:

Setting: August or September (or both) 2016, Saheeli's Challenge -- coalition event, prize: pre-nerf, awesome Saheeli

What happened: Bugs, etc caused many people to lose out on Saheeli and the event was re-run. The issue is that it's a coalition event, so the people who already had her played just as hard as they did the first time as to not let their coalitions down. This basically resulted in a lot of people getting her twice -- and most of us missing out on her by one or two spots. (I missed her the first time because of two freezes and the second time by -1 -- the leaderboard in my bracket was exactly the same as the first time)

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Breaking Points is also a coalition event, especially in top coalitions, the people who already earned RE are not going to play down to make sure other people get him, they'd be letting their team down -- so basically we are just going to end up with a lot of the same people getting dupes of RE and a lot of the same people walking away with nothing. 

One solution would be to re-run it as an individual event -- but still-- especially in Platinum -- competitive players are going to go all in because they like this game and there's going to be crystals and unobtanium on the line. 

A better solution -- which has been proposed many times on this forum is to change the way exclusive cards and individual rewards are given out in events. As I've seen it suggested and I highly support, individual rewards should not be based on rank -- and let's all agree -- tiebreakers have always and will always be a problem -- rather on max score. So 95-100% of total points would get X card X unobtainium and X crystals, the next step would be a KLD Rare, X unobtainium and X crystals, and so on. 

It's a fair and equitable way to distribute rewards, it gives mid-level and newer players the opportunity to advance faster and more of an incentive to participate in coalition play (which is a huge advantage for them and a great factor in retention) and it restores some of the faith by top players (some who have spent THOUSANDS on this game) who you have pretty much stomped all over and beat to tinykitty. 

But I'm sure you'll just run it again because this is the most in-the-box dev team I've ever met so congrats in advance to @shteev , @ridfrenzy  and all others on your SECOND RE.
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  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    I second the call not to run it again. 

    But running Saheeli again was the most angry I ever was with the game. Especially since the reruns were less grueling than the original. 

    So if you're going to run it again anyway, please don't change the format to make it easier. It should be every bit as hard as the first one, if not harder. It's a freeroll, not a handout. 
  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    AngelForge said:
    Yes, please don't run it again...

    Put the card for $10 in the vault! ;-)
    I agree -- they should sell it. 
  • Theros
    Theros Posts: 490 Mover and Shaker
    edited May 2017
    Myself and 1 of Mt teamate have lost a couple due to crash. I would like to have another shot at the prize but not the way prizes are currently rewarded. What bken has suggested is a good idea but d3 will more likely make it X Unobtanium and X crystals only. Won't be that bad since players can use them to buy elite and packs 
    Anyway it's unlikely for  d3  to rerun the event. No worries 
  • span_argoman
    span_argoman Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    I'm fairly sure Saheeli's Challenge was rerun not because of the bugs but to hype the release of the Kaladesh set in paper MTG. At least that's what I recall from the announcements.
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    AngelForge said:
    Yes, please don't run it again...

    Put the card for $10 in the vault! ;-)
    No. Put it in the vault for 100 crystals. 'Member the crystals they just gave us for the issues the game has been having...?

    But on a related not I, and many others, have been saying that the event exclusive mythics should be the paid mythics, just given out to a select number of players two weeks ahead of when they go on sale. That solution could easily work here. 
  • UweTellkampf
    UweTellkampf Posts: 376 Mover and Shaker
    bken1234 said:

    Breaking Points is also a coalition event, especially in top coalitions, the people who already earned RE are not going to play down to make sure other people get him, they'd be letting their team down -- so basically we are just going to end up with a lot of the same people getting dupes of RE and a lot of the same people walking away with nothing. 


    I don't see this as a valid argument against a re-run. Many of us would have had a realistic chance to get the card and have been robbed of this chance by random crashes, fallouts or buggy ranking. So this is not about *who* competes but rather about *why* we were not able to compete in a fair environment.  

    I also don't mind competing again against the "senior players", because I believe in my chance to end in the top ranks if given a bug-free game. If they get it a second time and I don't - and we all had the same circumstances to reach the goal, then I won't be angry one single bit because then I just lost because I wasn't good or lucky enough and not because the game is broken like the US president. 


  • Froggy
    Froggy Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
    edited May 2017
    Not interested in a re-run. I didn't get the card and not due to game bugs. RE is a wonderful card, but I am at a loss without (of course if I had it...). My reason for not wanting to re-run this is that I don't have the urge to go through it again and I'd much rather just move on to amonkhet. If I get RE in card packs, great! Until then, I want to move on, or re-run older games (Avacyn) or get more story mode going.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2017
    bken1234 said:
    But I'm sure you'll just run it again because this is the most in-the-box dev team I've ever met so congrats in advance to @shteev , @ridfrenzy  and all others on your SECOND RE.
    I missed out. I mean, I KNOW that Jace 2 can't cope with Thopter Spy Network, but I thought, what are the chances of it happening AGAIN???
    Thuran said:
    The flaw with the original argument, is that it assumes rerunning the event is about giving RE to people who don't have it yet. That is not the case.

    People are asking for a re-run of the event, because they want to be able to compete for it fairly, and felt they were robbed of the chance to earn the reward fair and square. This is not people who went X-4 wanting an easy mythic, but about people who went X-1 who were denied their prize due to bugs, crashes, sudden maintenance, being matched against people 50 levels higher, and a host of other issues.

    Therefore, even if the same people were to compete again, at maximum efficiency and performance, that would actually be the desiderable outcome. Noone is asking for those people to not compete, or for the event to be easier than it was, so having to rerun the event, with just as high a bar to success, is a positive.

    Therefore I feel that the OP fails to understand the basic premise of the situation. People are not asking for an easier event against different people, that is not at all the issue. They are asking for the exact same event, without bugs. As you said yourself in the OP, that is what would happen, due to coalition rewards. Therefore the OP is paradoxically presenting the best argument in FAVOUR of a rerun: It wont be any easier, so people who get it in the rerun still earned and deserve it. 
    I have to agree with this. The people who won Rishkar's Expertise competed hard for it, and they deserve it. It would certainly cheapen the experience of those who had won it the first time if the competiton were to be rerun in an easier format.

    It would be like.... well, in the last event, when a second bracket bracket opened up at the very end of the event, and some players who didn't even own Tezz 2 chanced their arm, entered at the last second, and won a card they had no right to. This actually happened. They risked nothing and received one of the most powerful cards in the game for their efforts.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited May 2017
    Running it again would be counter to their concept of limiting mythics and denying them to all but a fortunate few. 
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards

    So 100/3200 is exclusive but 150 or 200/3200 isn't?  Where does the line even be?

  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    bken1234 said:
    AngelForge said:
    Yes, please don't run it again...

    Put the card for $10 in the vault! ;-)
    I agree -- they should sell it. 
    Yes, please put it in the vault for a REASONABLE price. $10 might actually be reasonable enough that I'd buy it. There's no way I shell out $30-$50 for any of he stuff in the vault, but the $3-$12 is exactly the right spot. I'm CERTAIN that there are many other people out there like me who would actually start spending money on the game if the cost of things were reasonable.
  • Theros
    Theros Posts: 490 Mover and Shaker
    DumasAG said:
    bken1234 said:
    AngelForge said:
    Yes, please don't run it again...

    Put the card for $10 in the vault! ;-)
    I agree -- they should sell it. 
    Yes, please put it in the vault for a REASONABLE price. $10 might actually be reasonable enough that I'd buy it. There's no way I shell out $30-$50 for any of he stuff in the vault, but the $3-$12 is exactly the right spot. I'm CERTAIN that there are many other people out there like me who would actually start spending money on the game if the cost of things were reasonable.
    The make more money in $30-$50 fishing whales than $3-$12 range.

  • hawkyh1
    hawkyh1 Posts: 780 Critical Contributor
    Having not been able to play a single battle since the
    update, I stand to gain the most from a re-run.
    (assuming they fix the bug). I seriously doubt I'll get
    a re-run. as a gesture they could include the exclusive
    mythic re in a special limited time pack amongst other
    cards similar to the elite pack. this would allow some
    possibility for borderline players to roll the dice.

    HH
  • Infested
    Infested Posts: 98 Match Maker
    In the vault or another round of BP. There should be a way for players to get this card with all the errors and server down time with the last update. People will feel like it was not fair and there should be something done.
  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    MADAFAKA said:
    DumasAG said:
    bken1234 said:
    AngelForge said:
    Yes, please don't run it again...

    Put the card for $10 in the vault! ;-)
    I agree -- they should sell it. 
    Yes, please put it in the vault for a REASONABLE price. $10 might actually be reasonable enough that I'd buy it. There's no way I shell out $30-$50 for any of he stuff in the vault, but the $3-$12 is exactly the right spot. I'm CERTAIN that there are many other people out there like me who would actually start spending money on the game if the cost of things were reasonable.
    The make more money in $30-$50 fishing whales than $3-$12 range.

    I honestly do not understand how this is the case. I would seriously welcome an explanation, because it astounds me that the lower price points don't attract more purchases and make up for the "lost" money from the drastically more limited customer base at those higher prices. I'd buy just about anything at $10. With their current schemes though, I can barely ever justify a purchase.
  • Phase
    Phase Posts: 157 Tile Toppler
    It's fair to run the event again for everyone who got screwed by technical issues. If the same people win the mythic again, then great because fewer are released into the wild. If different people win the mythic, then great, they had a second fair shake and were able to get the card they deserved.

    If half of every platinum player who won the mythic managed to win it again, we would be looking at a whopping 50 more new copies distributed into the MtGPQ platinum ecosystem, since there was just the two brackets. I don't think that's a very risky move, personally.

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