Rant from an original player

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My rant is that ever since this game went to final release the game play has changed to the point where it doesn't matter if you have a full roster of heavily boosted 3 star cards. The goal is no longer to build the strongest team possible but to build a team of 1 star, 2 star, 3 star and event rewards from the last 1 or 2 events only. I've been playing since the game was first released in the preview version and I have spent many many hours, days, weeks and months building up a large roster of 3 star cards over level 70. I probably have 10 3/4 star cards over 70 however I very rarely if ever get to use them in heroic, hunt or other BIG events and it's getting frustrating. Why did I spend so much time buying slots and focusing on building the strongest roster available in a card game when new players are now getting far better rewards? At this point the developers can bite me. I refuse to let them force me to spend more money on the game in this obvious and downright stupid manor.

It just makes no sense to me as an old school player who put the time and effort in to have to sit back and watch new players (who naturally carry a lot of 1 and 2 star cards) get preferential treatment. I recruited my wife and brother to my alliance shortly after final release, they have very minimal powered accounts compared to me however I cannot keep up with either of them because every event they have 3 to 5 boosted cards while I'm lucky to have 1 or 2. No kidding here, there is no way they should be able to routinely kick my **** (score). I feel like I've hit the cap for this game but I want to keep playing because i enjoy the game. It's very frustrating.

_RiO_

Agreed and very recognizable.

Sadly, new characters are the large driving factor behind the sale of token packs and roster slots, so don't expect the developer and/or publisher to let up.

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I'm not sure what your roster looks like, but from the sounds of it you have a bunch of 3* heroes around lvl 70-80 and not much else....is that correct? If so, the problem is you skipped the 2* transition, which is still important because 2* heroes are important during the time you are making the transition, and they still hold value afterwards as well because of boosting during events.

Your 3* heroes are technically worse than maxed 2* heroes. If you read the boards you know that a lvl 100 3* hero is just about equivalent to a lvl 85 2* hero, so that is part of the reason why you aren't doing as well as your friends and family even though you perceive them to have a weaker roster, when in fact there's might actually be better than yours.

There are two paths you can take. You can try and max 2 or 3 heroes, and this will allow you to do very well in PvP, and most PvE

Alternatively, you can level many characters simultaneously. This will make you less competitive in PvP, but you will probably do better in PvE because you will have a greater chance of having boosted character(s) during events.

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I didn't skip any steps as far as I know. I've been playing since launch and have been through my share of 2* cards. In a non boosted event a lvl 85 2* card may be equal to a lvl 100 3* but I'm talking events with boosted cards which is the new flavor of this game. Early on in the release I don't remember any cards being boosted for events.

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CoolB76 wrote:

I didn't skip any steps as far as I know. I've been playing since launch and have been through my share of 2* cards. In a non boosted event a lvl 85 2* card may be equal to a lvl 100 3* but I'm talking events with boosted cards which is the new flavor of this game. Early on in the release I don't remember any cards being boosted for events.

Wolverine was boosted as early as the first The Hulk. Back then there was no indication that they're boosted so you might not have noticed, but they were definitely boosted back then.

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I have 16 3/4 star cards with 7 (sorry I exaggerated earlier about 10+) over lvl 70. I have 22 roster spots. The rest are 2*. I won't waste money/iso/hero on 1 star. My wife and bro each only have 1 2* card maxed. Its not like they are full of maxed 2* cards.

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What lvl are your 2* heroes? Are they maxed?

Because, no offense, but your 3* heroes are worthless at their current levels. Level 70-80 3* heroes can't do much. They are probably equivalent to level 50-60 2* heroes. In other words, in PvP you are going to be targeted and chewed up, and in PvE, they are going to be too weak to do much due to scaling.

You should focus on one or two of your 3* heroes if you can get them soft-capped to above lvl 100, or you should level some of your 2* heroes to lvl 85.

KaioShinDE

You say that boosted chars make only the newest chars viable for the tournaments, but only one or two out of half a dozen or more boosted chars are new. I'd say that boosted characters are one of the prime motivators to build a large roster even and to go back and use different heroes each event and not just your three highest level chars and no one else.

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Mizake wrote:

What lvl are your 2* heroes? Are they maxed?

Because, no offense, but your 3* heroes are worthless at their current levels. Level 70-80 3* heroes can't do much. They are probably equivalent to level 50-60 2* heroes. In other words, in PvP you are going to be targeted and chewed up, and in PvE, they are going to be too weak to do much due to scaling.

You should focus on one or two of your 3* heroes if you can get them soft-capped to above lvl 100, or you should level some of your 2* heroes to lvl 85.

That's the problem. Early in the game there was no direction about this. It would be normal to assume that boosting your strongest cards should be the route to success and it always was until the final release. That's when the game changed.

No offence taken but you are wrong regardless. I do not lose to 2* cards ever!! Did I say ever!! OK once in a while I get a bad board and lose but it's rare.

My concern is the event structure and how it recently favors lower tier players. My next concern or curiosity is how much do you get paid to stick up for the game? If you've been playing as long as me then you should understand fully where I am coming from.

NorthernPolarity

KaioShinDE wrote:

You say that boosted chars make only the newest chars viable for the tournaments, but only one or two out of half a dozen or more boosted chars are new. I'd say that boosted characters are one of the prime motivators to build a large roster even and to go back and use different heroes each event and not just your three highest level chars and no one else.

I think OP is saying that the recent events have boosted only the newer released characters. Look at the current PvE for instance: the only 3*s featured are the last 3 that have been released. This is obviously a push by d3 to encourage people to spend money on the newer characters in the game, but it does suck that they stopped boosting old classics like GSBW, IM40, etc. They really should just throw a bone to the older players by boosting a legacy character or two in every event: I can't imagine that it would hurt their revenue stream that much, and its not like giving a 30 level boost to one more character would break the event.

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KaioShinDE wrote:

You say that boosted chars make only the newest chars viable for the tournaments, but only one or two out of half a dozen or more boosted chars are new. I'd say that boosted characters are one of the prime motivators to build a large roster even and to go back and use different heroes each event and not just your three highest level chars and no one else.

Since the final release the boosted cards and special node (the ones where you need a specific char to complete) have been predomenately BP, Thor 3*, Psylock, and Steve Rogers. Over and over and over again.

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NorthernPolarity wrote:

KaioShinDE wrote:

You say that boosted chars make only the newest chars viable for the tournaments, but only one or two out of half a dozen or more boosted chars are new. I'd say that boosted characters are one of the prime motivators to build a large roster even and to go back and use different heroes each event and not just your three highest level chars and no one else.

I think OP is saying that the recent events have boosted only the newer released characters. Look at the current PvE for instance: the only 3*s featured are the last 3 that have been released. This is obviously a push by d3 to encourage people to spend money on the newer characters in the game, but it does suck that they stopped boosting old classics like GSBW, IM40, etc. They really should just throw a bone to the older players by boosting a legacy character or two in every event: I can't imagine that it would hurt their revenue stream that much, and its not like giving a 30 level boost to one more character would break the event.

This exactly!!

*edit* I feel like I'm being phased out of the game.

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Is it even a game anymore if we are being herded and prodded in specific directions by the developers? That's not a game, they might as well be my boss's at work telling me what to do. Talk about taking the joy out of something fun.

HailMary

CoolB76 wrote:

I have spent many many hours, days, weeks and months building up a large roster of 3 star cards over level 70. I probably have 10 3/4 star cards over 70 however I very rarely if ever get to use them in heroic, hunt or other BIG events and it's getting frustrating. Why did I spend so much time buying slots and focusing on building the strongest roster available in a card game when new players are now getting far better rewards? ...

I recruited my wife and brother to my alliance shortly after final release, they have very minimal powered accounts compared to me however I cannot keep up with either of them because every event they have 3 to 5 boosted cards while I'm lucky to have 1 or 2. No kidding here, there is no way they should be able to routinely kick my **** (score). I feel like I've hit the cap for this game but I want to keep playing because i enjoy the game. It's very frustrating.

I'm a bit confused by this. You spent a lot of time buying slots, so presumably you have a lot of slots, yet you have fewer boosted characters than mid/low-level players who have presumably fewer slots?

Also, as people have said above, if you want to maximize your competitiveness, you need to be a generalist and a specialist: level a core 3* team to L141, and keep as many characters as you can. In PVP, sub-L90 3* characters are a nice snack for a strong 3xL85 2* team. In PVE, roster diversity is key.

As for boosting newer characters, it'd be nice if more legacy characters were boosted, but you can get the newer characters in the first place by using strong legacy characters. The massive reward-to-required event chain we're experiencing right now is going to weaken players who didn't win/buy the newer characters, but aside from Essential PVE nodes, it's not going to lock them out. There was a GSBW PVP a few days that gave out Psylocke, a Hulk event that just ended which gave out Torch, and a Punisher PVP is starting soon that will likely give out covers for a newish 3*.

_RiO_

CoolB76 wrote:

Is it even a game anymore if we are being herded and prodded in specific directions by the developers? That's not a game, they might as well be my boss's at work telling me what to do. Talk about taking the joy out of something fun.

Welcome to "free-to-play & monetization"; we hope you'll enjoy your stay. [/snark]

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Just to specify I'm not a hater. I love this game!! I came from a top 50 alliance in Marvel War of Heroes. If you have never played that game don't bother. It's about as greedy as humanly possible and the drop rates suck. This game has done so much right!! I just hate the thought of it derailing just like so many other mobil games becuase of greed.

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HailMary wrote:

CoolB76 wrote:

I have spent many many hours, days, weeks and months building up a large roster of 3 star cards over level 70. I probably have 10 3/4 star cards over 70 however I very rarely if ever get to use them in heroic, hunt or other BIG events and it's getting frustrating. Why did I spend so much time buying slots and focusing on building the strongest roster available in a card game when new players are now getting far better rewards? ...

I recruited my wife and brother to my alliance shortly after final release, they have very minimal powered accounts compared to me however I cannot keep up with either of them because every event they have 3 to 5 boosted cards while I'm lucky to have 1 or 2. No kidding here, there is no way they should be able to routinely kick my **** (score). I feel like I've hit the cap for this game but I want to keep playing because i enjoy the game. It's very frustrating.

I'm a bit confused by this. You spent a lot of time buying slots, so presumably you have a lot of slots, yet you have fewer boosted characters than mid/low-level players who have presumably fewer slots?

Also, as people have said above, if you want to maximize your competitiveness, you need to be a generalist and a specialist: level a core 3* team to L141, and keep as many characters as you can. In PVP, sub-L90 3* characters are a nice snack for a strong 3xL85 2* team. In PVE, roster diversity is key.

As for boosting newer characters, it'd be nice if more legacy characters were boosted, but you can get the newer characters in the first place by using strong legacy characters. The massive reward-to-required event chain we're experiencing right now is going to weaken players who didn't win/buy the newer characters, but aside from Essential PVE nodes, it's not going to lock them out. There was a GSBW PVP a few days that gave out Psylocke, a Hulk event that just ended which gave out Torch, and a Punisher PVP is starting soon that will likely give out covers for a newish 3*.

I only mentioned my 7 level 70+ 3 stars and my 9 other 3 stars that I have been unable to boost yet. I have not specified what level my remaining 2 star cards are. Furthermore I don't know what kind of struggles you have gone through but I rarely lose to 2* cards even if they are level 85. This is an assumption but I woudl guess I even defend 30% of attacks which I feel is pretty good. I win at at least 95% of attacks but we're gettign off track here because this has nothign to do with my complaint.

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_RiO_ wrote:

CoolB76 wrote:

Is it even a game anymore if we are being herded and prodded in specific directions by the developers? That's not a game, they might as well be my boss's at work telling me what to do. Talk about taking the joy out of something fun.

Welcome to "free-to-play & monetization"; we hope you'll enjoy your stay. [/snark]

Welcome?? I'm quite familier. Maybe I'm guilty of believing this game was being built a bit differently. .

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I agree with the point about only boosting newer chars to the detriment of those that built solid older chars. However, if you're a regular player you should have the newer chars too - I know I do. So you shouldn't really be missing out compared to other players.

You've been playing longer than I have (I'm on day 159), but I have a solid two star roster, the likes of OBW and C Storm nicely boosted for the current PvE.

I'm confused as to how / why you're feeling phased out. Where exactly are you suffering?

Copps

If you play this game regularly you should have all the new characters anyway. Thor has been given out 4 times cap 7 and torch twice. There have been ample opportunities to get all of these characters. Lvl 90 three stars are pretty useless as well as it seems you have noticed. I'm in the process of levelling most of my used three stars up to 120 then deciding which ones I want to join Thor and punisher at level cap. Newer characters are always going to get boosts and it is important to acquire them however older characters are still more than capable especially if levelled. They also seem to be including many pvp events that boost older characters. I recently had to level up Gsbw for her tourney ( just to 51 but enough to survive). Boosted two stars and alternating simulator rounds have buffed older as well as new heroes too.

While I will agree with you that low level rosters winning pve drives me a little crazy too. They seem to not be able to win any but the weakest pvp events rarely have I seen any two star rosters over 1k points in pvp. And it looks like community scaling is going to lock out everyone without a 5 blue spidey in this hunt anyway so that keeps out the low level teams.

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allorin wrote:

I agree with the point about only boosting newer chars to the detriment of those that built solid older chars. However, if you're a regular player you should have the newer chars too - I know I do. So you shouldn't really be missing out compared to other players.

You've been playing longer than I have (I'm on day 159), but I have a solid two star roster, the likes of OBW and C Storm nicely boosted for the current PvE.

I'm confused as to how / why you're feeling phased out. Where exactly are you suffering?

I can only agree with this because I can dot not spend a lot of money on the game. Still having 22 slots with 16 being 3* star isn't shabby. And to be honest recently I have spent quite a bit in hopes of pulling a Steve Rogers, BP, Thor 3* or psylock. However the only one I have pulled is Psylock and that is out of my hands, I can't control what I pull and without having those specific cards I am unable to compete in events recently to get high enough to win one as a reward.

I could have built 10 armies of 2 star cards but prior to the final release that wasn't necessary. Why would I have built 2* cards in the early days anyways? With the ratio of 3* cards so low for so long I pulled tons of 3's. I had a small army of well buffed 3's probably a month or 2 into the game. 2 star cards were fodder then.