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  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,961 Chairperson of the Boards
    Why can't I just ask you?
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    Ohboy wrote:

    There was an obvious need to stem the flow of mythics.

    Ohboy, do us all a favor and show where that obvious need comes from. Use numbers not opinions. Because as far as I'm concerned that need is unproven, and only serves D3 to give less and sell more.

    Secondly, referring to your links, there is a difference between slowing down the rate you acquire mythics and shrinking the group that acquires mythics. Your links are an example of tbe second.

    Please dont muddy the discussion with your fallacies and produce some proof instead
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Mainloop25 wrote:
    Why can't I just ask you?

    Because I'll say I always thought it was too much difference between first and second and no one will believe me.

    After all, I'm only crusading against coalition rewards because I apparently can't qualify for one.
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,961 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ohboy wrote:
    Mainloop25 wrote:
    Why can't I just ask you?

    Because I'll say I always thought it was too much difference between first and second and no one will believe me.

    After all, I'm only crusading against coalition rewards because I apparently can't qualify for one.

    It's not that no one will believe you, it's that no one will agree with you.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ohboy wrote:
    Mainloop25 wrote:
    Why can't I just ask you?

    Because I'll say I always thought it was too much difference between first and second and no one will believe me.

    After all, I'm only crusading against coalition rewards because I apparently can't qualify for one.
    alve wrote:
    He thinks they should be cut and mentioned that before, but then coalition rewards came and he felt they were a bigger problem.

    .. A bigger problem that just happened to affect you, personally, to a lesser degree...
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    shteev wrote:
    Ohboy wrote:
    Mainloop25 wrote:
    Why can't I just ask you?

    Because I'll say I always thought it was too much difference between first and second and no one will believe me.

    After all, I'm only crusading against coalition rewards because I apparently can't qualify for one.
    alve wrote:
    He thinks they should be cut and mentioned that before, but then coalition rewards came and he felt they were a bigger problem.

    .. A bigger problem that just happened to affect you, personally, to a lesser degree...


    Yeah, that's why I felt a mechanic that gave out 400-600 mythics a week was a bigger problem than one that gave out 15-20 a week.

    Because it affected me personally. One that you guys have repeatedly stated I could fix easily by just joining another coalition. Sure.
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    Ohboy wrote:

    .. A bigger problem that just happened to affect you, personally, to a lesser degree...
    One that you guys have repeatedly stated I could fix easily by just joining another coalition. Sure.[/quote]
    Quoted for emphasis, apparantly your crusade runs on sour grapes, not wantibg others to get something you arent willing to put ths same effort into.

    Again, you keep stating that mythics in event rewards is bad for the game. PROVE IT!

    I assume you cant or you would have done so allready.
  • Eladamriel
    Eladamriel Posts: 4 Just Dropped In
    Ok back to the Droprates again icon_e_biggrin.gif

    When it comes to droprates I really like the system of Hearthstone. There you can get legendarys wich is the equivalent to mythics.

    When you open packs you get at least 1 mythic in 20 packs. So when you open packs the droprates of a mythic increases everytime until you reach the 100% with youre 20th pack. This way the players are moralized to open packs, cause they actually get mythics. And you are more motivated to spend money to get more packs to open.

    Greetings Eladamriel
  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    Eladamriel wrote:
    When it comes to droprates I really like the system of Hearthstone. There you can get legendarys wich is the equivalent to mythics.

    When you open packs you get at least 1 mythic in 20 packs. So when you open packs the droprates of a mythic increases everytime until you reach the 100% with youre 20th pack. This way the players are moralized to open packs, cause they actually get mythics. And you are more motivated to spend money to get more packs to open.
    It's 40 packs, but I completely agree it's an excellent solution to avoiding the feel-bad from getting terrible luck - it's basically putting a limit on how much bad luck any one player can have. I have said on a number of occasions that d3go should consider implementing something similar.
  • AngelForge
    AngelForge Posts: 325 Mover and Shaker
    Eladamriel wrote:
    Ok back to the Droprates again icon_e_biggrin.gif

    When it comes to droprates I really like the system of Hearthstone. There you can get legendarys wich is the equivalent to mythics.

    When you open packs you get at least 1 mythic in 20 packs. So when you open packs the droprates of a mythic increases everytime until you reach the 100% with youre 20th pack. This way the players are moralized to open packs, cause they actually get mythics. And you are more motivated to spend money to get more packs to open.

    Greetings Eladamriel

    Do you also get packs for free in Hearthstone?
    But anyway, like Volrak said, a good way to limit the bad luck.
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Eladamriel wrote:
    Ok back to the Droprates again icon_e_biggrin.gif

    When it comes to droprates I really like the system of Hearthstone. There you can get legendarys wich is the equivalent to mythics.

    When you open packs you get at least 1 mythic in 20 packs. So when you open packs the droprates of a mythic increases everytime until you reach the 100% with youre 20th pack. This way the players are moralized to open packs, cause they actually get mythics. And you are more motivated to spend money to get more packs to open.

    Greetings Eladamriel

    Lots of things I loved about hearth stone more than mtgpq. Not sure why I made the switch, or why I'm still playing it. I think I do like combat mechanics more here. Arena-like drafting format would be all I would play.

    Didn't forget about you Andrew. Deleted a lengthy post that basically screamed "because I warned everyone long ago these changes would be inevitable if free mythics kept getting dumped and no one listened, and now they're real and still no one's listening".

    Sorry about not using sarcasm tags. I seem to have unintentionally baited you. Should research your insults in future though. Let's just say I put in at least as much effort in the game as you do.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Please lock this thread I simply do not feel the need to explain myself!
  • span_argoman
    span_argoman Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    AngelForge wrote:
    Eladamriel wrote:
    Ok back to the Droprates again icon_e_biggrin.gif

    When it comes to droprates I really like the system of Hearthstone. There you can get legendarys wich is the equivalent to mythics.

    When you open packs you get at least 1 mythic in 20 packs. So when you open packs the droprates of a mythic increases everytime until you reach the 100% with youre 20th pack. This way the players are moralized to open packs, cause they actually get mythics. And you are more motivated to spend money to get more packs to open.

    Greetings Eladamriel

    Do you also get packs for free in Hearthstone?
    But anyway, like Volrak said, a good way to limit the bad luck.
    I just started playing Hearthstone recently and no, you don't get free packs. There are no daily rewards, except during this period as a build-up to the release of the upcoming expansion. No 8-hour free boosters either. To get packs you have to earn gold which comes from every third win against a player-controlled opponent (30 wins to have enough gold for a 5-card pack) or completing quests (you only get 1 new quest a day up to a max of 3, and they only give you gold enough for 40% of a 5-card pack).

    You can also slot up to 2 copies of a card excluding Legendary cards in your decks so you usually need to draw a second copy of a card or craft them. When you're only opening a 5-card pack every 2-3 days, that comes really slowly.

    That said, the pity timer is still a good idea to help players who are experiencing the bad end of the RNG stick. It probably has to be implemented with a different limit though. Like I think it would be a good idea to have a separate pity timer for 5-card packs, super packs and premium packs. Or at least a pity timer for each combined set (BFZ+OGW, SOI + EM, KLD + AER).
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Ohboy wrote:
    shteev wrote:

    .. A bigger problem that just happened to affect you, personally, to a lesser degree...


    Yeah, that's why I felt a mechanic that gave out 400-600 mythics a week was a bigger problem than one that gave out 15-20 a week.

    Because it affected me personally. One that you guys have repeatedly stated I could fix easily by just joining another coalition. Sure.

    Is that the post you reported me for? I mean, honestly, it doesn't seem much worse than a lot of the other posts calling you out in this thread, does it. Do you just report everyone who disagrees with you?
  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor
    Regarding the removal of guaranteed mythics, I think their intent was to burn them down into Mana Jewels instead and spread the rewards a bit.

    What they didn't expect, however, is that Mana Jewels end up being as dead a currency as crystals due to the fact that, once again, you are at the mercy of the RNG gods for obtaining anything of value. Since they water down the elite packs with trash mythics and dupes, jack up the proc rates of the trash mythics, all of a sudden those Elite packs don't hold much value anymore.

    It's their own fault. The Elite packs are "so expensive" (based on the amount of time and/or money required to obtain them) that they should have instituted some type of guarantee that the player obtains something of value by opening the pack. Getting dupes and/or trash mythics hold no value, so basically there is a good chance that you get nothing. Unacceptable.

    Now, if Elite packs guaranteed something, or allowed the player to choose 1 card from a selection of 3 random choices, then all of a sudden the Mana Jewels regain their intended value and there will be less complaints that the top scores in events are awarded a small pile of jewels. (Note: The amount of Jewels should be adjusted depending on how the Elite pack rewards are adjusted).
  • andrewvanmarle
    andrewvanmarle Posts: 978 Critical Contributor
    Ohboy wrote:

    Didn't forget about you Andrew. Deleted a lengthy post that basically screamed "because I warned everyone long ago these changes would be inevitable if free mythics kept getting dumped and no one listened, and now they're real and still no one's listening".

    Sorry about not using sarcasm tags. I seem to have unintentionally baited you. Should research your insults in future though. Let's just say I put in at least as much effort in the game as you do.

    Warning everybody long ago etc... is not a reason. Let me write your argument out for you: "Taking away mythics from event rewards is good for the game because I warned everyone long ago these changes would be inevitable"

    See how logical that sounds?

    As far as baiting me? nah i'm just calling your fallacies out for what they are.

    And as far as me insulting you? point out the insult why don't you.....
  • mmraie
    mmraie Posts: 21 Just Dropped In
    back on topic, you know what is awesome? grinding out the 400 jewels, getting a pull on the masterpiece collection... drum roll... get the only card i currently own out of that collection: marionette master!

    man was i a happy customer!
  • span_argoman
    span_argoman Posts: 751 Critical Contributor
    mmraie wrote:
    back on topic, you know what is awesome? grinding out the 400 jewels, getting a pull on the masterpiece collection... drum roll... get the only card i currently own out of that collection: marionette master!

    man was i a happy customer!
    Luckily you have a way to solve that problem.
    Brigby wrote:
    BLKDarkness7 wrote:
    Personally, I think it's a sham(e) that a situation such as one I described could happen. However, I appreciate you taking the time to comment at all.
    So after discussing this policy further with my team, we've decided to change it a bit.

    Now if you receive either a duplicate Mythic or a Masterpiece specifically from the Elite Packs, please send in a support ticket, and Customer Support will be able to provide you a one-time exception of another Elite Pack.
    Do not convert your duplicate Marionette Master! Submit the ticket to support so they can credit you with another Elite pack.
  • mmraie
    mmraie Posts: 21 Just Dropped In
    span_argoman wrote:
    mmraie wrote:
    back on topic, you know what is awesome? grinding out the 400 jewels, getting a pull on the masterpiece collection... drum roll... get the only card i currently own out of that collection: marionette master!

    man was i a happy customer!
    Luckily you have a way to solve that problem.
    Brigby wrote:
    BLKDarkness7 wrote:
    Personally, I think it's a sham(e) that a situation such as one I described could happen. However, I appreciate you taking the time to comment at all.
    So after discussing this policy further with my team, we've decided to change it a bit.

    Now if you receive either a duplicate Mythic or a Masterpiece specifically from the Elite Packs, please send in a support ticket, and Customer Support will be able to provide you a one-time exception of another Elite Pack.
    Do not convert your duplicate Marionette Master! Submit the ticket to support so they can credit you with another Elite pack.


    I was sure it was only for masterpieces, not mythics. thank you friend, i will contact them

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