5* champing question

SlappyDingle

Hey gang,

So I just pulled my 13th and final cover for OML today and I'm wondering if it would be lunacy to take him all the way to 450. Will my scaling go bananas? I currently have a SS at 370 and nobody else above 280ish. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Bowgentle

If there is ONE 5 who justifies higher scaling and worse MMR, it's OML.

Champ him, never look bad.

But keep your Surfer at 370.

Hendross

I think the general consensus will be, don't do it until you can do 2 or more at once to be competitive.

However, I'm in a similar situation and am interested as what sorts of teams you see in each tier of PvP and how better/worse PvE experience compared to a veteran 4 star roster (20+)

Secondly, the monotony, being regulated to using the same 1 or 2 characters?

SlappyDingle

Oh right, I hadn't thought of that! I guess I'll be stuck using OML forever?

bbigler

SlappyDingle wrote:

Oh right, I hadn't thought of that! I guess I'll be stuck using OML forever?

Variety makes the game interesting, so I'm in no rush to pull 300+ LTs in order to champ 3 x 5*s and be stuck with them for PvE and PvP.

TxMoose

I know several with oml as their only champed 5 and they do just fine with both pve and pvp. they have a large group of boosted 4s to choose from and always have the best boosted 4* of the week to put beside oml. I have mine at 405 and do ok too. if I had 2 more yellows I'd likely champ mine.

Tilesmasher

This is a question for me as well, I just got my 13th covers for OML and PHX on back to back pulls a few days ago, I have 16 champed 4s and was planning on camping 4 more and then champing both OML and PHX.

Anyone in a similar situation have an opinion?

byc

I'm nowhere close to that...

But ever since I leveled my 5* Thanos to 375, I pretty much have to use him for high level nodes or else my chances of losing are very high. I still haven't really regret it, but my team choices are a bit limited due to Thanos' playstyle (self damaging, can't put out tiles, he has to tank everything if green is active).

GrimSkald

I brought my first 5* above 400 about a month ago, and I will say I definitely noticed a change in my PVP MMR - I started seeing a lot more 5* teams (generally a 5* and a 4*.) I think I did stop seeing both 4*s entirely. I added a second last week, and have not noticed a further change.

While I'm sure it moved my PVE Scaling upward, I could definitely handle it. Honestly, you could go either way - it will make your climb in PVP somewhat easier (if a bit less interesting,) and your hops easier (since when you hop you're generally visible to everyone anyway.) It won't have a huge impact on your PVE I think.

What I would say is if you draw another OML cover, definitely champ him. The minor impact to your scaling is definitely well worth not letting the cover go to waste.

TetsujinOni

SlappyDingle wrote:

Hey gang,

So I just pulled my 13th and final cover for OML today and I'm wondering if it would be lunacy to take him all the way to 450. Will my scaling go bananas? I currently have a SS at 370 and nobody else above 280ish. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.

Thanks!

My first champ 5* was OML at a point in time where I had ... 3? Champ 4s (Peggy and some subset of Iceman, Teen Jean, and 4Cyke).

OML is the ONLY 5* I'd run out as gaming-changing, run-as-champ, it's all OK, leading edge.

I'd go so far as to say that it's lunacy NOT to take him to 450. He's definitely the core you can build a consistent 1200 PvP team around for every event but Sharp Dressed...

Arix90

OML is definately getting a much earned nerf soon

Quebbster

Tilesmasher wrote:

This is a question for me as well, I just got my 13th covers for OML and PHX on back to back pulls a few days ago, I have 16 champed 4s and was planning on camping 4 more and then champing both OML and PHX.

Anyone in a similar situation have an opinion?

OML and Phoenix are currently my only fivestar champions. The bad thing about that is that I have to use them all the time (as it would be with any two fivestars). The good thing is that I rarely have to worry about health packs - OML tanks four out of seven colors and can shake off a lot of damage, and Phoenix' resurrection means I don't have to worry too much about her dying.
They are basically a non-factor on defense though as everyone at the fivestar level knows how to deal with them. They are still good on offense though, even if there are better options these days.

amusingfoo1

SlappyDingle wrote:

Hey gang,

So I just pulled my 13th and final cover for OML today and I'm wondering if it would be lunacy to take him all the way to 450. Will my scaling go bananas? I currently have a SS at 370 and nobody else above 280ish. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Do it. Your scaling and MMR will go up, but you'll be able to handle it. Bumping mine from 330 to 390 was a literal game-changer for me. And champing was even better. Be a bit more circumspect about your second, as that will have a bigger impact on MMR and scaling, but don't hesitate on him as first.

halirin

I had IM at 375 and champed him last week. I see a lot more teams with champ 5*s now. I'd say things are a little more difficult than before champing, because at 375, IM was interchangeable with other boosted 4s, but now he's kinda necessary, and not nearly as versatile as oml since he needs people on team IM to really take down other 5*s quickly.


So in your situation I'd do it. Things will be ok, just a little different. And some parts will feel much easier.

Gmax101

I get that a high level 5* makes things easier....

but how does it affect the FUN aspect of the game.. I love the fact I can chop and change my teams in PVE.... and I have 2 fully covered but under-levelled 5* (Dr Strange 270 and Black Widow 255) and Hawkeye is a fair way down the track after a frankly ridiculous run on Bag of Tricks tokens...

I have something like 25+ champed 4* with peggy as my highest at 290... little bit loathe to take a 5* much above that....

GrimSkald

Arix90 wrote:

OML is definately getting a much earned nerf soon

If they nerf him, he will be almost useless to 5* players. As it is he's just plain not great - his value lies in the metagame as he is the most sustainable character there is. I run Black Bolt/Widow and I will gladly take an OML team over pretty much anything else. Black Bolt will do some really serious damage to you pretty much no matter what. Black Widow can one-shot for over 20K under the right circumstances. Phoenix is hell with a good cascade (and she makes good cascades.) IM46 (who is fortunately pretty are) can do absolutely incredible damage. The only way OML will really tinykitty you up is if he a) transforms too early, or b) gets a nasty cascade with "Living Legend" strikes out.

Seriously, guys, stop harping on OML. For PVP purposes, he's just not scary. Nerfing him will only hurt the 4* to 5* transitioners, which is the last thing they should do.

Quibbles

Simple answer on OML is this: wait until you get your 14th cover. Hoard ISO now and champ him then. But there's no value in jumping to become a 5* cupcake. Keep in mind that those of us in 5* land bake cakes with one 5*, a loaner required character and a low level 3/4*. So if you just have one champed 5*, you're a walking cupcake for us if your scaling brings you up that high (sometimes with a boosted character that's likely to happen). So delay the inevitable if you can. Better to be a king of the 4*.

Magic

I agree about OML. When I look at the 5* tier (I am not there myself) he doesn't crack top 5. I think Bolt, Goblin, Spiderman, Thanos, Strange are better. Maybe Hawkeye with cheap skills. Phoenix has her uses. Im46 can do a lot. That leaves only Banner, Black Widow, Captain, Surfer and Panther (no clue about him) clearly below OML level.

But this is how I see a 5* tier if you have them all on the same level.

OML remains the best 5* to be your first leveled 5* as he can be useful as meat-shield with a tooth even if he is not championed. Mine is 3-1-1 and I run him everyday in DDQ and early PvE stages. My Strange is maxed covered (the only 5* I have there but only 3 covers in Yellow) and yet i prefer the 3* variant for PvE. Same goes for Thanos - I use 3* every day but the 5 stays on the bench (lack of covers in this case). I've got some covers for Bolt (0-3-2 so around 1k damage when there are the charged tiles) and he is now getting a bit of run in the low levels but not a lot.

Only OML makes a drastic change for an up-and-coming roster. That's why he remains the uniocorn for many players. The real transition to 5* tiers starts with him (unless you can maxcover 2 or 3 others and champion them at the same time).

Quebbster

Magic wrote:

I agree about OML. When I look at the 5* tier (I am not there myself) he doesn't crack top 5. I think Bolt, Goblin, Spiderman, Thanos, Strange are better. Maybe Hawkeye with cheap skills. Phoenix has her uses. Im46 can do a lot. That leaves only Banner, Black Widow, Captain, Surfer and Panther (no clue about him) clearly below OML level.

I don't Think Spider-man is in the top 5 any more. He was good when everyone was playing OML and Phoenix (who both rely heavily on strike tiles), but against the newer fivestars he falls pretty short. I Think Hawkeye might fill a similar niche though as he has a cheap blue attack skill and a Purple passive that supports both himself and the rest of the team.

GrimSkald

Speaking from experience, Black Bolt isn't a bad transition character - he synergizes very well with a lot of characters as he acts as a very general sort of mana battery, and the "damage per turn" thing when you have 4 charged tiles out adds up. The drawback of him is pretty much the same as any 5* that isn't OML - with as many hit points as they have it means that if you take significant damage you need to use a health pack as the time it takes to recover will be ridiculously long...

This is OML's real value - any other 5* will definitely cost you health packs in the long run, even compared to 4*s.

Anyway, Bolt is also not a real deterrent in PVP, but frankly no 5* alone is...

GrimSkald

Quebbster wrote:

Magic wrote:

I agree about OML. When I look at the 5* tier (I am not there myself) he doesn't crack top 5. I think Bolt, Goblin, Spiderman, Thanos, Strange are better. Maybe Hawkeye with cheap skills. Phoenix has her uses. Im46 can do a lot. That leaves only Banner, Black Widow, Captain, Surfer and Panther (no clue about him) clearly below OML level.

I don't Think Spider-man is in the top 5 any more. He was good when everyone was playing OML and Phoenix (who both rely heavily on strike tiles), but against the newer fivestars he falls pretty short. I Think Hawkeye might fill a similar niche though as he has a cheap blue attack skill and a Purple passive that supports both himself and the rest of the team.

I think I'd agree with this - BSSM is a nuisance if you're not running OML, but hardly scary. His own stun lasts only one turn (maybe the green lasts more? I don't know, it almost never drops,) so unless he's with a great stunner, you'll have plenty of opportunities to take him down. I think OML is probably top 5, but no higher. On the other hand, I don't know good Captain is with his new build (I only have 6 covers for him, myself.) I suspect Panther will be great with certain partners, otherwise fairly mediocre.