please explain cascade after cascade

JagerDemon

With all due respect can someone from the game please explain to me why tez gets cascade after cascade everytime I play him. I have beaten before but in the last 5 or 6 matches, this and the last event, it feels as there is no way to win. I get 3 or 4 gem turns and most of them are pw gems and tez gets all his cards out by the 2nd turn with a 40/24 whale by the 3rd turn 3. The 3 matches I have played this event has been this scenario. I enjoy a challenge but this seems unwinnable... if the game is not fun or somewhat fair there is no reason to play.

morgue427

better than me i cant even get to tez, planar bridge is kicking my ****, go in with a deck with 3/4 creatures and cant get any because it is stealing everything before i can even cast it, and yes i have beat this boss before last weekend

andrewvanmarle

Bad luck, but also there seem to be choices that allow you to have cascades or the ai, i cant give exact examples but sometimes the less obvious choice seems to be the better one

JagerDemon

I agree with you. I have seen that many times but in this case I was only given one choice. It only seems to only happen with tez. I understand that it's supposed to be a random generator but it seems broken. Just frustrating...

AngelForge

Random number generation is, as far as I know, not really random but algorithm related.
That can support, that quite unlikely events happen more often, I guess.
Maybe someone who is more into that thematic can say something to that.

Besides that, I don't think that they provided Tzeezeret with an additional chance to have cascades.
It's just good or bad "luck".

Regards!

Mainloop25

morgue427 wrote:

better than me i cant even get to tez, planar bridge is kicking my ****, go in with a deck with 3/4 creatures and cant get any because it is stealing everything before i can even cast it, and yes i have beat this boss before last weekend

If you can build a decent creatureless deck (or cheap creatures that you can buff) that is a much better way to go.

span_argoman

Mainloop25 wrote:

morgue427 wrote:

better than me i cant even get to tez, planar bridge is kicking my ****, go in with a deck with 3/4 creatures and cant get any because it is stealing everything before i can even cast it, and yes i have beat this boss before last weekend

If you can build a decent creatureless deck (or cheap creatures that you can buff) that is a much better way to go.

Or similar to a creatureless deck, build a deck with Westvale Abbey as your sole creature.

Steeme

I messed up on Planar Bridge because I wasn't paying attention, I thought the objective said Win in 8 rounds so I brought Koth. In reality it's Win in 8 rounds or more which means I was supposed to bring Ob Nix. Was just trying to get a match in since I'm at work right now. That's what happens when these bloody events creep into the work week.

On the topic of cascades, the issue is that these PVE encounters are designed to have incredibly lop-sided mana gains in order to present a "challenge". What ends up happening is that, due to lucky cascade chain matching, the mana gain gets exponentiated in favour of the AI. Cascades leading into multiple overload triggers, etc. can sometimes just overwhelm you and if you don't have an answer to it already filled with mana in your hand then just call it a game. Not to mention they really rub it in by forcing you to repeat the same match over again.

Only solution is to use equally broken cards or just cheese the opponent. Get it over with, collect the points, move on. I don't really feel any sense of accomplishment anymore.

Mainloop25

span_argoman wrote:

Mainloop25 wrote:

morgue427 wrote:

better than me i cant even get to tez, planar bridge is kicking my ****, go in with a deck with 3/4 creatures and cant get any because it is stealing everything before i can even cast it, and yes i have beat this boss before last weekend

If you can build a decent creatureless deck (or cheap creatures that you can buff) that is a much better way to go.

Or similar to a creatureless deck, build a deck with Westvale Abbey as your sole creature.

Someone suggested using aspiring aeronaut as your only creature, which is hilarious. Another strategy I saw somewhere was using mindwrack demon as your only creature and never playing it, which is pretty funny too.

madwren

Mainloop25 wrote:

span_argoman wrote:

Mainloop25 wrote:

morgue427 wrote:

better than me i cant even get to tez, planar bridge is kicking my ****, go in with a deck with 3/4 creatures and cant get any because it is stealing everything before i can even cast it, and yes i have beat this boss before last weekend

If you can build a decent creatureless deck (or cheap creatures that you can buff) that is a much better way to go.

Or similar to a creatureless deck, build a deck with Westvale Abbey as your sole creature.

Someone suggested using aspiring aeronaut as your only creature, which is hilarious.

Thanks. It's quite effective.

Ohboy

LOL span actually used the abbey which is better. Once again showing that even when choosing bad creatures, always look at the higher rarity ones.

madwren

Ohboy wrote:

LOL span actually used the abbey which is better. Once again showing that even when choosing bad creatures, always look at the higher rarity ones.

I'd say they're both effective, definitely, but not sure why Abbey would be better. It only takes up one slot, while Aeronaut takes up two, which means you only have to lock down a single slot with another token.

Ohboy

madwren wrote:

Ohboy wrote:

LOL span actually used the abbey which is better. Once again showing that even when choosing bad creatures, always look at the higher rarity ones.

I'd say they're both effective, definitely, but not sure why Abbey would be better. It only takes up one slot, while Aeronaut takes up two, which means you only have to lock down a single slot with another token.

Abbey is completely harmless and can't attack even if Fabricated.

AngelForge

But when the AI cascades like crazy, a lot of priests can come out of the abbey... ^^

span_argoman

I think the way to put it would be, if you only have one destroy-to-token spell then Aspiring Aeronaut works better for blocking up all three slots with ineffectual creatures.

If you have both Turn to Frog and Imprisoned in the Moon, Westvale Abbey nicely blocks the third slot with a creature that cannot attack and cannot block.

Having options is good. The differences between the two are more a matter of circumstance.

Muche

Ohboy wrote:

Abbey is completely harmless and can't attack even if Fabricated.

This is really correct? I don't see anything mentioned on Westvale Abbey implying it could not attack if its attack is raised due to a servo.
I know that Thing in the Ice indeed can't attack even with a servo.

octal9

JagerDemon wrote:

please explain to me why tez gets cascade after cascade

Sure.

1: Tezz makes a match. When that match resolves,
2: new gems fall down to fill - sometimes, those gems make other matches.
3: If those gems make match, goto 2, otherwise,
4: if the current player has no additional swaps, their turn ends

hope that helps!

span_argoman

Muche wrote:

Ohboy wrote:

Abbey is completely harmless and can't attack even if Fabricated.

This is really correct? I don't see anything mentioned on Westvale Abbey implying it could not attack if its attack is raised due to a servo.
I know that Thing in the Ice indeed can't attack even with a servo.

Yes it is, Westvale Abbey cannot attack. It cannot block either. I tested casting a Mantle of Webs on it. It does nothing.

Schlemoc

There are quite a few ways to handle it. Creatures,spells,or supports that cause disables. Deadlock,suppression bonds, consulate, imprison in the moon,turn to frog, etc. Maybe get a combination of cheap creature disable and go at it. Ive seen that as rhe basis for most of these high end matches, and ive seen my success rate jump when i take that approach.

Not impossible, but you have to put some thought in it, and have some playable cards to help. I personally use turn to frog, imprison in the moon, suppression bond, and insidious will. Makes for some fun once you get it going. I have gisella for life steal. At that point i flesh it out with draw cards ro ensure i can keep the control up. Doesnt matter how much he casts if i turn it to a moon prison for 3 mana on the next turn, or it is disabled from the get go.

Hope that is helpful.

madwren

span_argoman wrote:

I think the way to put it would be, if you only have one destroy-to-token spell then Aspiring Aeronaut works better for blocking up all three slots with ineffectual creatures.

If you have both Turn to Frog and Imprisoned in the Moon, Westvale Abbey nicely blocks the third slot with a creature that cannot attack and cannot block.

Having options is good. The differences between the two are more a matter of circumstance.

Westvale is definitely an inspired choice.

I use Saheeli, which means I have the added benefit of being able to Coup the Aeronaut's thopters if I need to spontaneously clear the board of energy. That, plus the ability to effectively lock two slots with one card, is why I prefer the Aeronaut.

But I agree--they're both great options.

span_argoman

madwren wrote:

span_argoman wrote:

I think the way to put it would be, if you only have one destroy-to-token spell then Aspiring Aeronaut works better for blocking up all three slots with ineffectual creatures.

If you have both Turn to Frog and Imprisoned in the Moon, Westvale Abbey nicely blocks the third slot with a creature that cannot attack and cannot block.

Having options is good. The differences between the two are more a matter of circumstance.

Westvale is definitely an inspired choice.

I use Saheeli, which means I have the added benefit of being able to Coup the Aeronaut's thopters if I need to spontaneously clear the board of energy. That, plus the ability to effectively lock two slots with one card, is why I prefer the Aeronaut.

But I agree--they're both great options.

Thanks for explaining the reasoning!

That sounds like a good option especially if one needs to clear the Energize gems. I personally find that I can clear the supports of the Planar Bridge level faster than it can summon them when I use Kiora.