Crnch73 wrote: I think the biggest problem (someone can correct me if I am wrong) is Fox studios. Fox used to own Marvel. They then sold it to Disney. However, they kept the rights to some stuff (hence why the Marvel part of Universal Studios-Orlando is still around even though they compete with Disney World). They kept the rights to the X-men mostly. If you look, you can tell which studio puts out movies as well. Fox puts out the Xmen movies (days of future past, apocalypse), while Disney/Marvel gets to put out the Avengers, Captain America, Guardians, etc. So, that is why in the Avengers, no one can mention that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are Magneto's kids... because Fox owns Magneto. Therefore, I think it will always be a struggle for them to get more of the Xmen-type-mutant characters into this game. Not sure how they managed to get mags and wolverine in at all, but I think that is where the major hangup is.
Nightglider1 wrote: AFAIK, Marvel was never owned by Fox. They were once owned by New World Pictures. They licensed some of their properties to Fox for movies. Fox does not own Magneto. Fox owns the film rights to Magneto.
CNash wrote: It may be that Marvel doesn't want to promote X-Men characters for some reason, but this never really made any sense to me. Why would Marvel not want more comic book sales and character/brand recognition based on promotion in games, even if Fox reaps most of the benefits through their movie license?
Straycat wrote: Movie rights expire if they aren't used quick enough which is why Daredevil's rights are back to Marvel
Pope Belligerent wrote: The "Marvel is trying to kill the X-Men to get the movie rights back" rumor has been going around for years now, and it's simply not true. The X-Men are front and center in the current big crossover in the comics (Inhumans vs. X-Men) and, when the crossover is finished, another big event, ResurrXion, will begin that reboots the entire X-Men line and starts two core team titles (X-Men Blue and X-Men Gold), a third student-focused team title (Generation X), at least five solo titles (Jean Grey, Iceman, Cable, Weapon X and All-New Wolverine), and likely a few additional titles. Clearly Marvel is not trying to kill off the X-Men (though they did kill off Cyclops, THANK GOD) nor are they trying to suppress marketing them to try to kill the movies. Though they are not the primary rights holders, Marvel does have a stake in the X-Men movies and it would be foolish for them to sabotage their own product.
firethorne wrote: Pope Belligerent wrote: The "Marvel is trying to kill the X-Men to get the movie rights back" rumor has been going around for years now, and it's simply not true. The X-Men are front and center in the current big crossover in the comics (Inhumans vs. X-Men) and, when the crossover is finished, another big event, ResurrXion, will begin that reboots the entire X-Men line and starts two core team titles (X-Men Blue and X-Men Gold), a third student-focused team title (Generation X), at least five solo titles (Jean Grey, Iceman, Cable, Weapon X and All-New Wolverine), and likely a few additional titles. Clearly Marvel is not trying to kill off the X-Men (though they did kill off Cyclops, THANK GOD) nor are they trying to suppress marketing them to try to kill the movies. Though they are not the primary rights holders, Marvel does have a stake in the X-Men movies and it would be foolish for them to sabotage their own product. And yet, Future Fight, with an incredibly deep list of characters, has zero X-Men (and does have Gwenpool but not Deadpool.. what?). We're doing a bit better, but still missing a number of them, despite nearly constant request. Despite how foolish it may or may not be for them to sabotage their own product, it is the impression that disparities like this lead people to assume, and the most logical explanation for the state of some of the games.
CNash wrote: Why would Marvel not want more comic book sales and character/brand recognition based on promotion in games, even if Fox reaps most of the benefits through their movie license?
Dormammu wrote: Pope Belligerent wrote: The "Marvel is trying to kill the X-Men to get the movie rights back" rumor has been going around for years now, and it's simply not true. The X-Men are front and center in the current big crossover in the comics (Inhumans vs. X-Men) and, when the crossover is finished, another big event, ResurrXion, will begin that reboots the entire X-Men line and starts two core team titles (X-Men Blue and X-Men Gold), a third student-focused team title (Generation X), at least five solo titles (Jean Grey, Iceman, Cable, Weapon X and All-New Wolverine), and likely a few additional titles. Clearly Marvel is not trying to kill off the X-Men (though they did kill off Cyclops, THANK GOD) nor are they trying to suppress marketing them to try to kill the movies. Though they are not the primary rights holders, Marvel does have a stake in the X-Men movies and it would be foolish for them to sabotage their own product. Actually, it is true. It just isn't true for the comics. Insiders at Marvel (most prominently Chris Claremont via Bleeding Cool News) have outright said that Disney wants tight controls on all promotions of X-Men outside comic book distribution. Toys, collectibles, and yes even video games. Just look at the facts: 1. Marvel cancels Fantastic Four prior to the release of their latest film after word leaked it wasn't screening well. Even though FF wasn't a top seller, the Fantastic Four was Marvel's longest running (and first) monthly book. Disney saw this as an opportunity to help sink any future this franchise had at Fox studios.
2. There is an active ban on all X-Men action figures and there was absolutely zero promotional merchandising done for the last X-film (DoFP). This is because Disney/Marvel still controls all merchandising related to the X-Men and FF, not Fox, and they don't want to help Fox promote the films Disney wants back. Plus, they'd have to pay Fox for a portion of all said merchandising.
3. Marvel editors and writers are under strict instructions (according to Claremont) not to create any new mutant characters in the comics.
The X-Men still have a large presence in the printed comics because they are Marvel's best seller and they recently lost the majority market share to DC after being on top for more than 40 years - they can't afford to stop printing X-Men comics. Now, none of this means games like MPQ can't get their hands on mutants, it's ultimately up to Disney/Marvel, but I imagine its very difficult. But believe me, the cold war with Fox is very, very real.
Pope Belligerent wrote: Actually, FF has been cancelled several times over the years, as have X-Men, Avengers
Pope Belligerent wrote: I personally got a Kitty Pryde action figure as a Christmas gift from my wife.
Pope Belligerent wrote: I don't doubt that Disney want the rights back, and that Marvel are willing to help out with that as they can, but actively sabotaging their properties just doesn't make sense. Add to that the fact that Marvel Studios have a stake in the X-Men movies, and it all just seems so silly.
Phumade wrote: Comic books are still an important revenue stream, but the film revenues are what really makes a difference to the bottom line.
Phumade wrote: CNash wrote: Why would Marvel not want more comic book sales and character/brand recognition based on promotion in games, even if Fox reaps most of the benefits through their movie license? Here was the total comic book industry sales numbers rican Market size, including both print and digital estimates by Comichron and ICV2.com DIGITAL sales for Comics (not counting subscription services) in North America, as calculated by ICV2.com (est.): Physical sales Digital 2011 $715 million $25 million 2012 $805 million $70 million 2013 $870 million $90 million 2014 $935 million $100 million 2015 $1.03 billion $90 million Here are the box office receipts for the last 4 mcu films Box Office History for Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies Release Date Movie Domestic Box Office Aug 1, 2014 Guardians of the Galaxy $333,172,112 May 1, 2015 Avengers: Age of Ultron $459,005,868 Jul 17, 2015 Ant-Man $180,202,163 May 6, 2016 Captain America: Civil War $408,084,349 These are just the domestic numbers. Once you add in the foreign box office revenue... Comic books are still an important revenue stream, but the film revenues are what really makes a difference to the bottom line.
Dormammu wrote: Pope Belligerent wrote: Actually, FF has been cancelled several times over the years, as have X-Men, Avengers When?
Teskal wrote: Dormammu wrote: Pope Belligerent wrote: Actually, FF has been cancelled several times over the years, as have X-Men, Avengers When? The main FF and X-Men series had never been stopped since the sixties. Only about the last few (~3-4) years I'm not sure what happend.