Great job with lose 2 or less creaturss

Morphis

Facing a kiora I know will be hard.
I know if I play any werewolf it will get mooned or frogged and thanks to developers foresight skill I'll lose objective.

So I keep in hand will try to damage slowly then finish off with werewolves...

At turn 6/7 still controlling his ulriches with my spells then...

Season past
Season past
Dubious challange
Moon on my werewolf(fetched BY FORCE cause of dubious challange)
Frog the moon
Frog the frog

Ai has no cards in hand.
Basically I lost(the ribbon that is equal to losing).

They really though deeply about he objectives.

Kudos.

wereotter

Same thing happened to me last time in this event. Sorry

THEMAGICkMAN

I think that they designed them that way specifically because of tie-breakers. Not doing a great job, and actually fixing the tie breakers would be infinitely better. I like the kinds of secondary that are luck based or challenging. Makes it feel that much better when you succeed.

Mainloop25

I always use Hexproof creatures for those objectives. It ain't foolproof, but it gives me a better shot against black decks, for example.

Steeme

Mainloop25 wrote:

I always use Hexproof creatures for those objectives. It ain't foolproof, but it gives me a better shot against black decks, for example.

Right. Then you get the node where you have to kill 2 or less creatures. Then the AI plays creature, reclaim, plays creature, great aurora. ggclose.

Some objectives need a retooling. They should not be affected by AI stupidity or grief decks, they should be more representative of player skill, control, and savoir-faire.

Mainloop25

Steeme wrote:

Mainloop25 wrote:

I always use Hexproof creatures for those objectives. It ain't foolproof, but it gives me a better shot against black decks, for example.

Right. Then you get the node where you have to kill 2 or less creatures. Then the AI plays creature, reclaim, plays creature, great aurora. ggclose.

Some objectives need a retooling. They should not be affected by AI stupidity or grief decks, they should be more representative of player skill, control, and savoir-faire.

I thought we were just trying to tackle the original poster's problem, but you are right about the second part of your reply. Just look at the difference between the OGW objectives and the ones we got nowadays. They seem so much better thought out back then than they are now.

wereotter

Mainloop25 wrote:

I always use Hexproof creatures for those objectives. It ain't foolproof, but it gives me a better shot against black decks, for example.

Except in this case if you do that you fail the other objective. You have to summon at least two wolves or werewolves for the +2 and must summon no more than two creatures for the +1 meaning you must summon exactly two wolves or werewolves for a perfect score, and since there are no hexproof werewolves, this node becomes highly luck based.

Hesturk

It's like having to kill 2 or less creature and the AI kills his own creature. That shouldn't count. If AI kills his creature it's him not me. Same should go for frog and moon. I didn't play the frog, the AI did and he is the one putting the creature into play, not me.

Szamsziel

Easy mode on:
1) use a low level planeswalker (chandra 1 is especially useful)
2) load deck with 2 cheap werewolves, some support for gem conversion, lots of direct damage spells
3) preload werewolves but not cast them
4) destroy all creatures from opponent, direct damage opponent with skills, spells
5) cast WV when you are going for a kill
6) grab your achievements done

tm00

Yeah, I wish I figured it out before selecting my walker, realizing that after was painful.

Mainloop25

wereotter wrote:

Mainloop25 wrote:

I always use Hexproof creatures for those objectives. It ain't foolproof, but it gives me a better shot against black decks, for example.

Except in this case if you do that you fail the other objective. You have to summon at least two wolves or werewolves for the +2 and must summon no more than two creatures for the +1 meaning you must summon exactly two wolves or werewolves for a perfect score, and since there are no hexproof werewolves, this node becomes highly luck based.

You're getting the two events mixed up. Terrors in the Shadows had the "lose two or less creatures" objective.

Mainloop25

But you're right, that objective is not well designed, unless the design was meant to be severely limited in the deck style you want to play with if you want to get all the points. In which case, it wasn't a well designed objective after all, was it?

Even the "kill Tyrant with 10 or less HP remaining," which was considered the most frustrating objective to hit in that event, had many different ways to accomplish it.

wereotter

Oh right. Of course.

Same problem in that case. Kiora uses Dubious Challenge, summons up your werewolf, moon prisons it, moon prisons the moon prison, then turns that to frog and you've lost three creatures rather than summoning four.

Steeme

Mainloop25 wrote:

But you're right, that objective is not well designed, unless the design was meant to be severely limited in the deck style you want to play with if you want to get all the points. In which case, it wasn't a well designed objective after all, was it?

Even the "kill Tyrant with 10 or less HP remaining," which was considered the most frustrating objective to hit in that event, had many different ways to accomplish it.

I don't like the "Win the match with 10 or less HP remaining" objectives because that involves some type of stalling or throttling of the match. It does require skill and luck to pull it off, but I don't like the luck part, and you don't find out whether or not you're going to get unlucky until it's too late.

I'd much rather have deck restrictions as part of the objectives.

Example:
Objective 1. Win the match
Objective 2. Win the match and summon 2 werewolves
Objective 3. Win the match with no Supports in your deck

Or something to that effect. The restriction can be No supports, No spells, No creatures, No mythics, etc. That way you need to focus on building a deck that will win and fulfill the restriction in order to maximize points.

Other ideas:
Summon no tokens (AI casting frog/moon on you doesn't count)
Cast no cards that directly target an opponent's creature
Cast no cards that directly target your creatures

wereotter

Steeme wrote:

Mainloop25 wrote:

But you're right, that objective is not well designed, unless the design was meant to be severely limited in the deck style you want to play with if you want to get all the points. In which case, it wasn't a well designed objective after all, was it?

Even the "kill Tyrant with 10 or less HP remaining," which was considered the most frustrating objective to hit in that event, had many different ways to accomplish it.

I don't like the "Win the match with 10 or less HP remaining" objectives because that involves some type of stalling or throttling of the match. It does require skill and luck to pull it off, but I don't like the luck part, and you don't find out whether or not you're going to get unlucky until it's too late.

I'd much rather have deck restrictions as part of the objectives.

Example:
Objective 1. Win the match
Objective 2. Win the match and summon 2 werewolves
Objective 3. Win the match with no Supports in your deck

Or something to that effect. The restriction can be No supports, No spells, No creatures, No mythics, etc. That way you need to focus on building a deck that will win and fulfill the restriction in order to maximize points.

Other ideas:
Summon no tokens (AI casting frog/moon on you doesn't count)
Cast no cards that directly target an opponent's creature
Cast no cards that directly target your creatures

Doing a set amount of non-creature damage would be another good objective for red decks, like 20 damage from spells.

ridfrenzy

I personally think you are best to play your creatures as soon as possible otherwise you are stalling the game and letting the opponent draw additional cards giving more opportunity for these silly situations.

Not saying the objective is great but I don't think the Op approached it correctly.

Thésée

Yes yes of course, the best way to avoid this kind of things is to win the game really fast. But when you don't have Bandit or Ulrich like OP and I you have to play Sage, stall, and pray

hawkyh1

for those that have the deck, you could try kiora to set up
sphinx tutalege to try and reduce your opponents ability to
cast cards after you cast your werewolf. could work if your
opponent doesn't cast dubious challenge.

HH

AettThorn

hawkyh1 wrote:

for those that have the deck, you could try kiora to set up
sphinx tutalege to try and reduce your opponents ability to
cast cards after you cast your werewolf. could work if your
opponent doesn't cast dubious challenge.

HH

And how exactly would one use Kiora on a red node?

orgazmo

Thésée wrote:

Yes yes of course, the best way to avoid this kind of things is to win the game really fast. But when you don't have Bandit or Ulrich like OP and I you have to play Sage, stall, and pray

That is my problem with this node. I think it's the only one I lost on. Its made for players with Ulrich and Bandit. For those that have mediocre werewolves, the node becomes a lot more luck than I would like, especially when paired with Koth or Kiora.

orgazmo

AettThorn wrote:

hawkyh1 wrote:

for those that have the deck, you could try kiora to set up
sphinx tutalege to try and reduce your opponents ability to
cast cards after you cast your werewolf. could work if your
opponent doesn't cast dubious challenge.

HH

And how exactly would one use Kiora on a red node?

Because it's red/green.