Orion wrote: Yes, people that have all of the 5*s are moving away from OML/PHX. But the vast majority of 5* users are still using 1 of those 2. So until that changes, BSSM is still an effective counter. Heck, my Spidey only has 11 covers, but I still use him way more than my champed Surfer. Is he still top 5? Probably not. Am I still going to keep using him? Heck yeah.
Polares wrote: It is not that Spidey is not usable anymore, he is a very good 5, but not very long ago he was top3 in most of the super whales lists. Now that we have more diverse 5s, I think he has probably been the first old 5 to fall from the top5 5s. For me the list now would be IM46, PH, BBolt, and then depending if PvE or PvP I would add Strange and OML for PvE or GG and Thanos for PvP (Thanos is probably the best 5 for PvP, but self damage is never cool for PvE, but for the hardest nodes of Gauntlet or Simulator he is definitely an option too).
Bowgentle wrote: Polares wrote: It is not that Spidey is not usable anymore, he is a very good 5, but not very long ago he was top3 in most of the super whales lists. Now that we have more diverse 5s, I think he has probably been the first old 5 to fall from the top5 5s. For me the list now would be IM46, PH, BBolt, and then depending if PvE or PvP I would add Strange and OML for PvE or GG and Thanos for PvP (Thanos is probably the best 5 for PvP, but self damage is never cool for PvE, but for the hardest nodes of Gauntlet or Simulator he is definitely an option too). I'm ignoring all of these lists. It's nice that the new 5s are totally awesome in single matches. As long as I'm doing a single, sustained climb from 0 to 1200+, I''ll be running OML/other 5.
Polares wrote: Again, it depends where you play, and those lists are not absolutes they are opinions, but usually, BBolt and PH defeats the other team much faster than OML+ somebody else, so even though you take some damage and you might need to use some health packs every once in a while, it is still better because you climb faster, so you get to your goal with much lower number of attacks. And with 60-75 point fights, you don't really need to play that much to get to your first shield. From 900 to 1200 I don't have any doubt BBolt+PH (or other good PvP teams without OML) is much better than any team with OML in it, specially if you use color boosts. And soon, I am 100% sure Thanos+GG (or BBolt or IM46 if featured is team IM) will dominate PvP, and it will be the strongest team and the team to get for best results. In PvE where repetition and longer periods of play is more important I still consider OML top5. What it is evident is that people with 6+ champed 5s, have OML in much lower consideration than the rest of the forum/playerbase.
Jarvind wrote: I mean, I'm not in 5* territory yet, but I think he was mainly boss because errrrrrrbody in that tier was using OML and Phoenix, who both generate loads of strikes. It only makes sense that Black Suit would become less valuable as other 5*s become more commonplace. I feel like Phoenix still rates highly even among current 5*s though, so I would guess he's still at least moderately useful. There's also the possibility that more strike-heavy 5*s will come around.
Quebbster wrote: Guess I should start saving up my CP and tokens for a Latest Legends blowout later... I am up to 12 covers for both Silver Surfer and BSSM now, but I have to admit Thanos scares me quite a bit...
Bowgentle wrote: I may have forgotten to mention that my "other 5" that I'm running with OML is Bolt
OneLastGambit wrote: As one of the few people who spotted the usefulness of spidey upon his release I can say that I can agree somewhat with point of this post. Spidey was based around nullifying the big strikes brigade. I don't think the move away from strikes has hurt him as much as the intoroduction of so much AOE has. For me his first utility was hit without being hit and his strike nullifying was an outstanding second utility. With these AOE guys both of his primary uses are gone. Hell even the new cap will wipe the floor with spidey now
I think one could argue now that since OML will become far less widely used that BSSM will now fall much lower down the 5* ranking as his primary reason for use (nullifying strikes) is no longer needed.
Nerfing OML also gave a partial nerf to BSSM as well. Shame as I like him and his time has been artificially and prematurely ended. So of the characters in 5* classic pool OML, Phoenix and BSSM are all much lower in the pecking order now - when considered in team composition anyway. Especially since it's likely that Phoenix will be nerfed in the next 6 months or so when she becomes the next character to hit that dreaded 10% mark.
Polares said: Yeah this is an indirect nerf to Spidey too obviously. None of them are top 5, or even top tier anymore.PS: I doubt PH will be nerfed. Next target might be Thanos (even though he used most of the time just in PvP), but I don't think PH is in danger.