Seeking opinions

Reecoh

I recently blew my hoard to help jump from 3* to 4* land as well (and get my first 5*s). I opted for your option #1, though I had more LTs in my hoard. I had enough HP banked for 3 5*s at the time, so I decided to try to max the covers on any 5*s I pulled rather than risk getting many low-covered 5*s. You can see a recap of my results in https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=49672&start=60#p616891.

Even after pulling all of those, I do not have any 4*s fully covered yet, though I do have several with 9+. Your top 4*s seem to be better covered than mine were at this point though. If I had used my CP on Classics I would have had 10 extra pulls, and odds are those 10 wouldn't have made a huge difference in the long run.

Evilgenius_9

I already had 3 5*'s on my roster when I started champing 4*'s, and felt no difference in time or ability to clear PVE due to scaling. I suppose having a 4/2/3 OML helps that quite a bit though.

SummerGlau

I have all 5's Rostered and no 4 Star Champs (3 with 13 covers, 1 with 12)
I suppose those 5's are throwing off my scaling (3 of them at 270, the rest at 255) but I have no real problems in PVE
I say Classics Crusade and continue to hoard latest until you see 3 you like

mega ghost

From everything I can see, moving into 5* territory appears regrettable. The characters are limited so you have few options and play against the same teams again and again in PvP, and the scaling is atrocious and your enemy HP pools are enormous so PvE battles take forever. I'm personally transitioning into 4* territory and have about 12 champed 4* characters at the moment. It's a slow process. A fully-covered character can take about two weeks to champ if you're playing quite a bit each day. What ultimately happens is you get enough 4* to 13/13 and just start champing the ones that you get an extra cover for before it expires (assuming they're of value and not Mr. F, at which point you just sell the cover.)

So my advice is to ignore 5* characters for now and just pull classic tokens until you have a 4* fully-covered. Once you do, stop pulling classic LT, champ that 4*, and then start pulling again. You'll never have enough ISO to champ two 4* characters before their covers expire, so try to only have one extra cover at a time.

And on that last note, don't spend the ISO you're building up to champ a character until you have enough to do so! That way if you end up landing another cover for a 13/13 4* that you'd rather champ, you can redirect it to them.

Rick_OShay

When do you expect to make a decision on which path to take?
Would you please make an effort to give updates on this topic?
Thanks!

broll

Rick OShay wrote:

When do you expect to make a decision on which path to take?
Would you please make an effort to give updates on this topic?
Thanks!

This is more long-term planning. I'm not ready to pull the trigger on either of the 3. The big things that would trigger the final decision being made would be:
1. 2 more 5*s added and a hard date for when Strang5 get's moved to Classics.
2. Having 1 million ISO.
3. Getting a 14th cover for a top tier 4* or having several dying on the vine.
4. Some major change to the meta.

Based on responses so far I'm strongly leading towards cashing in the classics. I could see infinite hoarding as well. The discussion has pretty well talked me out trying for Strang5, which honestly I was kind of hoping you guys talked me out of it because my gut was it was a bad decision.

I will try to remember and update this when I finally do open.

smkspy

Don't worry about your scaling...the hardest nodes will go up about 20-60 levels, but having champed 4s doesn't make your champed 3s worthless. 4s actually make your progress through a pve sub quicker and pvp becomes much easier. I've gone with a champ one at a time method and my game quality of life has only gone up with each champed 4.

Though I really do have to echo champing the right 4s and not just your 14th cover of elektra or Wasp. It's better to sell a 14th elektra and champ a 13 cover Iceman.

And I also favor the classics route and I open as I get CP/tokens. I have 18 max covered 4s because I open token after token and 9 of those are champed. Yeah, you're gonna have to sell some 4s along the way and yeah you're 5s will be unevenly gained too. Since after Christmas I've pulled 2 Banners, 1 BSSM, 1 Cap, 1 Iron Man, 1 Silver Surfer, and 1 OML for example...but I'm in zero hurry to get into 5 tier though.

broll

Update.

So as stated my goal is to never have to sell a 4* cover, especially a top tier. I also stated the first time i got one would probably force me to make my decision. That time is officially upon me. Monday night I pulled 2 Peggy covers from this season's heroic 10 pack, a yellow and blue. The blue is unusable against my now 1/3/5 Peggy. So I've got 2 weeks to decide.

What else has happened since posting:
Current horde:
1,101,048 ISO
3,775 HP
1,362 CP
29 LTs

I've also got my first 13 covered 4* which is X-Force Wolverine.

Current musings:
So since my goal is to 13 cover Peggy in 12ish days, even with my horde what it is it's statistically unlikely to happen left to RNG. I'm looking at 68 Classic pulls with an optional 29 extra so max 97 pulls. Even taking 5*s out of the equation there are about 42 4* I could pull from, so on average I'd probably get about 2 -3 per 4*, Peggy needs 4 and has a 1 to 3 chance any cover pulled for her is unusable.

Several people in the comments suggested taking RNG out of the equation and I think in the current scenario that may be my best bet. To get 13 for Peggy would be 4 covers * 120 CP = 480 CP, the question there would be who else to champion. Wolverine can be champed with no additional covers, but he only ranks middle of the road, I'm not sure I would want to be stuck with him for every fight for a period of time.

Current state of best 4*s:
Punisher (MAX) 5/4/3 (12 covers)
Iron Man (Hulkbuster) 5/3/3 (11 covers)
Peggy Carter (Captain America) 1/3/5 (9 covers + 1 on vine)
Jean Grey (All New X-Men) 4/2/3 (9 covers)
Thor (Goddess of Thunder) 0/4/5 (9 covers)
Red Hulk (Thunderbolt Ross) 3/2/3 (8 covers)
Iceman (All New X-Men) 0/5/2 (7 covers)
Nova (Sam Alexander) 5/0/2 (7 covers)

So my thought is my best bet may to buy the remaining covers to champion both Punisher (1 cover) and Hulkbuster (2 covers) to get a 4* team of Pun, HB, & Peggy at the cost of 840 CP. Biggest question is is that a good team. Looking at in on paper it seems OK. I would probably spec Peggy to focus her passive as HB would be primary for Red and Punisher would be primary for Blue I would think.

840 CP is a lot to drop at once. I would essentially be trading in the utility cost of 42 classic pulls for 7 guaranteed pulls, but I'd also be ensuring that any future pulls for these 3 would never be useless.

I'm going to wait the full 2 weeks before doing anything as I could luck out and get another cover for one of these 3 from Heroic tokens, progression rewards, or one of the special vaults.

TL;DR - Is PunMax, HB, & Peggy a starting 4* team? What are your thoughts on dropping 840 CP to champ those 3 as starting 4* team?

smkspy

Just sell the peggy cover. You're gonna have to sell eventually no matter what. So some convoluted plan where you waste a butt load of cp on maxing peggy just to save one cover is something you will regret in the long run.

Very good team though, but 840 cp to start it is cray cray.

broll

smkspy wrote:

You're gonna have to sell eventually no matter what.

Challenge accepted

smkspy

broll wrote:

smkspy wrote:

You're gonna have to sell eventually no matter what.

Challenge accepted

And I sincerely wish it was a challenge you can beat. Ultimately though you gotta ask yourself is your horde worth a few piece meal champ rewards. Is one LT worth the cost of 8 LTs? Is several hundred CP worth a few CP in champ levels? Etc, etc. If you're going by what you put on paper, then you already have your answer. Speaking as someone in the very mist of the 4 star champing phase, I'd say patience is rewarded far more than trying to push your way into the tier even if you have to sell a few dupe covers along the way.

Magic

120 CP to champ Peggy is more than fine (I just did it myself last week) but 480 when you don't have other 4* championed? Not really. Opening the hoard to get her covers is an option but the likelihood is small.

If you care about 4* land I would say start opening the classics. They give the better ratio of 4*. You should roster the 5* you get (you are moving to champion 4* territory anyway) and apply the covers you have. Just make sure you can roster all the ones you get (your HP seems a bit low for the hoard you have - maybe you are spending too much? disregard if you have rostered all 4 and 5 characters).

With some luck you might max cover couple of good 4*. You have iso to champion them already.

Summary: keep playing, hoarding LT (probably till Widow or maybe even Strange rotate out), and open classics. Your limitation is HP - if you open something and can roster it - stop opening till you get HP back. Keep going and eventually you will have couple of good 4* to champion.

One other thing if you are still here - players perspective. I have now 20 4* championed and 1 5* max covered. The feedback from other players is simple - getting 5* champion ruins the PvE and you need specific ones (like Bolt or OML) to actually feel the improvement in PvP. Therefore I have taken step back from searching for 5*. I intend to keep championing 4* as they come (with some order of preference). I can get enough ISO in 10-12 days. I open classics until I get a cover for another 4* to champion and stop there. Gather ISO and repeat the process. My approach - not saying it's the best but now I always have a boosted hero each week. Good feeling.

Rick_OShay

Thanks for the update, that's a unique and positive situation to be in, now with the Peggy covers.

I don't think you need to champ all 3.
Here's why, as a primarily PvE player, you will still have a beast in Hulkbuster at higher levels (at 200 or above) without spending the CP to champ him. His black is very helpful for gaining red for him or Peggy, depending on the situation of the battle. You would probably never want to use HB blue if you have Peggy or big Pun on the team.

You stated that you don't want a good cover to ever go to waste. In my opinion, every time you spend 120CP on a specific cover, you are guaranteeing that you ARE wasting many good potential cover draws for random allies. 120CP = 6 classic draws = [what number out of 6 draws would have been useful?]. According to your statement, let's assume that 3-4 out of 6 'would have been useful' covers had you ran 6 Latest.
This is similar to people saying they don't want a raise at work because it would mean paying more taxes per year, ha.
Anyway, there is incredible value in acquiring a SPECIFIC cover or 2 to get a good character champed. Hopefully you will get lucky over the two week period and add another Peggy somehow. I just spent the 120 on 4Clops who was at 12 covers with a dupe on the vine. Would I have bought 3? Not me. But it's a Team question. I had ProfX just champed prior, and Moon Knight at decent covers and levels; this is a very good team for me in PvE and PvP. Similarly, I will not be buying covers for MK, as I suggested on waiting on HB.

It may well be worth it for Peggy in your situation, and Pun is close. You will need to feel out their blue overlap, but otherwise their color scheme works decently. Timing will be an issue sometimes since you don't want Peggy stunned very often - two turns when Pun does his green (her yellow passive becomes inactive when stunned!).
On HB, do you have 3*s that earn his covers? As in IM40 @ Lvl 183. Are they anywhere close?

You are smart having this hoard, and thus being able to make informed decisions as opposed to rushed emergency spends/purchases.
I'll be looking forward to how things shake out before expiration. GL!

broll

Thanks for the opinions. Still debating options. If I decide not to champ Peggy at this time it sounds like the best option may be to roster the Peggy cover as a duplicate because at 2 covers level 82 + 31 iso I could sell it for 4000 ISO. Better than nothing...

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48270

Quebbster

broll wrote:

Thanks for the opinions. Still debating options. If I decide not to champ Peggy at this time it sounds like the best option may be to roster the Peggy cover as a duplicate because at 2 covers level 82 + 31 iso I could sell it for 4000 ISO. Better than nothing...

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48270

Just keep in mind the two covers need to be the same color.

broll

Made an exciting discovery today. I'm super close to another Peggy cover (Red). My Captain Marvel 3* is 182, 1 shy of the Peggy (Red) champ reward and my 2* Captain Marvel 2* is 98, one shy of another Captain Marvel 3*. So 1 more Captain Marvel anything but 4* and I go up to 10 covers for Peggy. I may still save my Peggy (Blue) yet. Where's my lucky rabbits foot?

broll

Got the Peggy Red from Captain Marvel's. 2/3/5 now. A little over 9 days. Rubbing the rabbits foot.

broll

From Venom Bomb I got a blue Iceman. My Iceman is 0/5/2. Definitely no way he's getting champed in 2 weeks.

broll

I think I've settled on my plan.

Current resources:
1,342,940 ISO
1,225 HP (but have 2-4 slots I could easily drop and lose nothing)
1,482 CP
29 LL (30 tomorrow most likely)

Covers on the Vine:
Peggy (Blue)
Iceman (Blue)

The most likely path to a 3 man 4* top tier team is +1 to Punisher, +2 to Ironman, +3 to Peggy. To buy that outright would cost 720 CP, a little less than half my stockpile. This weekend I will start opening Classic Legends until one of the following happens:
1. I get enough covers to complete my 4* team.
2. I get down to a point where in order to buy my 4* team I can't blow any more covers.

The way I'm predicting this to go. I'll should have at least another 25 CP by then so 1507 - 720 = 787 or 39 Classic pulls. Hopefully included in those 39 pulls are one or more of the 6 covers listed above, if so then I can do 6 more pulls per cover I get via RNG.

I will continue hoarding the Latest Legends at this point.

I'll post my pull results in a separate thread and post a link in here. Thanks to all those that gave advice and/or listened to my rambling

broll

Used my hoard on classics, results:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=58622&p=632743#p632743