Chandra, Torch of Defiance Tweaks

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  • orgazmo
    orgazmo Posts: 108 Tile Toppler
    Lets face it, C2 just sucks. icon_e_sad.gif Someone show me a deck that is good? I certainly havent played against one. They are "gimmie" wins. Nothing works together, it's like you are constantly fighting yourself for energy. Compared to every other PW I have, she's by far the worst.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    orgazmo wrote:
    Lets face it, C2 just sucks. icon_e_sad.gif Someone show me a deck that is good? I certainly havent played against one. They are "gimmie" wins. Nothing works together, it's like you are constantly fighting yourself for energy. Compared to every other PW I have, she's by far the worst.

    She's perfectly fine as an alternate to Koth and Nahiri for speed objectives or QB. I use her for the 1.1 in Fateful Showdown.

    Geier Reach Bandit
    Fevered Visions
    Exquisite Firecraft
    Devil's Playground
    Goldnight Castigator
    Lathnu Hellion
    Uncaged Fury
    Start your Engines
    Impetuous Devils
    Reckless Bushwhacker
  • orgazmo
    orgazmo Posts: 108 Tile Toppler
    madwren wrote:
    orgazmo wrote:
    Lets face it, C2 just sucks. icon_e_sad.gif Someone show me a deck that is good? I certainly havent played against one. They are "gimmie" wins. Nothing works together, it's like you are constantly fighting yourself for energy. Compared to every other PW I have, she's by far the worst.

    She's perfectly fine as an alternate to Koth and Nahiri for speed objectives or QB. I use her for the 1.1 in Fateful Showdown.

    Geier Reach Bandit
    Fevered Visions
    Exquisite Firecraft
    Devil's Playground
    Goldnight Castigator
    Lathnu Hellion
    Uncaged Fury
    Start your Engines
    Impetuous Devils
    Reckless Bushwhacker

    Meh... but play those cards with any other red PW and you will have a better overall deck because their abilities actually work well.
  • blacklotus
    blacklotus Posts: 589 Critical Contributor
    orgazmo wrote:
    madwren wrote:
    orgazmo wrote:
    Lets face it, C2 just sucks. icon_e_sad.gif Someone show me a deck that is good? I certainly havent played against one. They are "gimmie" wins. Nothing works together, it's like you are constantly fighting yourself for energy. Compared to every other PW I have, she's by far the worst.

    She's perfectly fine as an alternate to Koth and Nahiri for speed objectives or QB. I use her for the 1.1 in Fateful Showdown.

    Geier Reach Bandit
    Fevered Visions
    Exquisite Firecraft
    Devil's Playground
    Goldnight Castigator
    Lathnu Hellion
    Uncaged Fury
    Start your Engines
    Impetuous Devils
    Reckless Bushwhacker

    Meh... but play those cards with any other red PW and you will have a better overall deck because their abilities actually work well.

    well put. c2 is rubbish. even c1 is better than c2 at the moment.
  • octal9
    octal9 Posts: 593 Critical Contributor
    Meh... but play those cards with any other red PW and you will have a better overall deck because their abilities actually work well.
    Her mana gain makes a six round win less risky if you're red-starved.
  • orgazmo
    orgazmo Posts: 108 Tile Toppler
    octal9 wrote:
    Meh... but play those cards with any other red PW and you will have a better overall deck because their abilities actually work well.
    Her mana gain makes a six round win less risky if you're red-starved.

    But... but... but... she doesnt suck sometimes?!?! icon_rolleyes.gif
  • blacklotus
    blacklotus Posts: 589 Critical Contributor
    octal9 wrote:
    Meh... but play those cards with any other red PW and you will have a better overall deck because their abilities actually work well.
    Her mana gain makes a six round win less risky if you're red-starved.

    I might as well play Saheeli if you really want to talk about mana gains. all positive mana gains across the board.

    skills wise, c2 sucks.

    mana gains wise, saheeli and Koth are better. Koth can also try to gen his own gem matches with his cheaper 1st.

    hp wise, again, Koth and Saheeli are better.

    why play c2 except forced to by an event pw locked node?
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    That's why they gotta adjust her abilities. Make her energy creation more efficient, as is her first abilities can destroy energized gems without triggering overload.

    Also give her abilities that give her better longevity. Like what I suggested that removes the every requirement from her third ability.
  • THEMAGICkMAN
    THEMAGICkMAN Posts: 697 Critical Contributor
    blacklotus wrote:
    octal9 wrote:
    Meh... but play those cards with any other red PW and you will have a better overall deck because their abilities actually work well.
    Her mana gain makes a six round win less risky if you're red-starved.

    I might as well play Saheeli if you really want to talk about mana gains. all positive mana gains across the board.

    skills wise, c2 sucks.

    mana gains wise, saheeli and Koth are better. Koth can also try to gen his own gem matches with his cheaper 1st.

    hp wise, again, Koth and Saheeli are better.

    why play c2 except forced to by an event pw locked node?

    Exactly. And guess what they're likely to do for the next inventors fair....
  • blacklotus
    blacklotus Posts: 589 Critical Contributor
    THEMAGICkMAN wrote:
    blacklotus wrote:
    octal9 wrote:
    Meh... but play those cards with any other red PW and you will have a better overall deck because their abilities actually work well.
    Her mana gain makes a six round win less risky if you're red-starved.

    I might as well play Saheeli if you really want to talk about mana gains. all positive mana gains across the board.

    skills wise, c2 sucks.

    mana gains wise, saheeli and Koth are better. Koth can also try to gen his own gem matches with his cheaper 1st.

    hp wise, again, Koth and Saheeli are better.

    why play c2 except forced to by an event pw locked node?

    Exactly. And guess what they're likely to do for the next inventors fair....

    let me guess the final result now: the same alleged cheater account will get a perfect score in platinum and be in first place in the next Inventors Fair.
  • THEMAGICkMAN
    THEMAGICkMAN Posts: 697 Critical Contributor
    blacklotus wrote:
    THEMAGICkMAN wrote:

    Exactly. And guess what they're likely to do for the next inventors fair....

    let me guess the final result now: the same alleged cheater account will get a perfect score in platinum and be in first place in the next Inventors Fair.

    Which cheater account? icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
    There's so many now icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    orgazmo wrote:
    madwren wrote:
    orgazmo wrote:
    Lets face it, C2 just sucks. icon_e_sad.gif Someone show me a deck that is good? I certainly havent played against one. They are "gimmie" wins. Nothing works together, it's like you are constantly fighting yourself for energy. Compared to every other PW I have, she's by far the worst.

    She's perfectly fine as an alternate to Koth and Nahiri for speed objectives or QB. I use her for the 1.1 in Fateful Showdown.

    Geier Reach Bandit
    Fevered Visions
    Exquisite Firecraft
    Devil's Playground
    Goldnight Castigator
    Lathnu Hellion
    Uncaged Fury
    Start your Engines
    Impetuous Devils
    Reckless Bushwhacker

    Meh... but play those cards with any other red PW and you will have a better overall deck because their abilities actually work well.

    Her mana distribution makes her more consistent than Koth when you're on a short timer. Koth has more explosion and raw power, but also more turns he sits there and twiddles his thumbs generating 2 mana.
  • octal9
    octal9 Posts: 593 Critical Contributor
    blacklotus wrote:
    I might as well play Saheeli if you really want to talk about mana gains. all positive mana gains across the board.

    skills wise, c2 sucks.

    mana gains wise, saheeli and Koth are better. Koth can also try to gen his own gem matches with his cheaper 1st.

    hp wise, again, Koth and Saheeli are better.

    why play c2 except forced to by an event pw locked node?
    Look, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. From the new players' perspective, C2 is less risky for that fight. Relying on Koth's first for a 6 round win is a questionable tactic, at best.

    We are the 1% (less, actually). The VAST majority of players do not currently have access to Saheeli.

    Overall? Yes, Koth and Saheeli are _clearly_ better than C2. But my basis was for 1.1 in Fateful Showdown only, as that was the context of my reply.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    octal9 wrote:
    blacklotus wrote:
    I might as well play Saheeli if you really want to talk about mana gains. all positive mana gains across the board.

    skills wise, c2 sucks.

    mana gains wise, saheeli and Koth are better. Koth can also try to gen his own gem matches with his cheaper 1st.

    hp wise, again, Koth and Saheeli are better.

    why play c2 except forced to by an event pw locked node?
    Look, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. From the new players' perspective, C2 is less risky for that fight. Relying on Koth's first for a 6 round win is a questionable tactic, at best.

    We are the 1% (less, actually). The VAST majority of players do not currently have access to Saheeli.

    Overall? Yes, Koth and Saheeli are _clearly_ better than C2. But my basis was for 1.1 in Fateful Showdown only, as that was the context of my reply.

    Right, Octal expressed my point much better than I did.

    Saying C2 has uses is far different than saying she is incredible, or even good.
  • Lagartha
    Lagartha Posts: 186 Tile Toppler
    edited January 2017
    If you guys are interested, sunprincess wrote up a really good reason why she should be changed for other reasons.

    https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=56918#p620787
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    Lagartha wrote:
    If you guys are interested, sunprincess wrote up a really good reason why she should be changed for entirely different reasons.

    https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php

    Missing a post link there.
  • Lagartha
    Lagartha Posts: 186 Tile Toppler
    madwren wrote:
    Lagartha wrote:
    If you guys are interested, sunprincess wrote up a really good reason why she should be changed for entirely different reasons.

    https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php

    Missing a post link there.
    Woops. Thank you! Fixed it.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    Lagartha wrote:
    madwren wrote:
    Lagartha wrote:
    If you guys are interested, sunprincess wrote up a really good reason why she should be changed for entirely different reasons.

    https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php

    Missing a post link there.
    Woops. Thank you! Fixed it.

    Sure, and thanks for sharing. Sunprincess has done a great job delving into the lore.
  • Brigby
    Brigby ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 7,757 Site Admin
    Lagartha wrote:
    If you guys are interested, sunprincess wrote up a really good reason why she should be changed for other reasons.

    https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=56918#p620787
    That's definitely a great write-up! I've actually gone ahead and taken that thread, as well as this one, and passed it along to the developers to get their thoughts on the subject. I'll let you all know if they have any information to provide.
  • THEMAGICkMAN
    THEMAGICkMAN Posts: 697 Critical Contributor
    Brigby wrote:
    Lagartha wrote:
    If you guys are interested, sunprincess wrote up a really good reason why she should be changed for other reasons.

    https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=56918#p620787
    That's definitely a great write-up! I've actually gone ahead and taken that thread, as well as this one, and passed it along to the developers to get their thoughts on the subject. I'll let you all know if they have any information to provide.

    Thank you Brigby! Your proactiveness (I dunno if that's a word icon_lol.gif) is astonishing and very pleasant!

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