EDIT: Rash of gold characters is but a passing phase

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I'm sorry to be a whiner; I really do love this game; but it's driving me a little nuts that, despite rampant and obvious sentiment on the forums that we DO NOT WANT rehashed gold characters, D3 still persists in releasing 3 out of 4 new characters as gold.

Ice, is it possible that these three gold characters were already developed before Gold Thor shipped, and thus were going to come out anyway, regardless of player response?

Please give us some sort of assurance that 75% of new characters from here on out are going to be gold and thus not really new characters at all. If that's the case, D3 has clearly stopped developing the game and is just hoping to suck as much money out of HP sales for character slots as they can until everyone wises up and erases the app.

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I am almost certain (100% guess lol) that other than ragnarok pre nerf lazy thor probably is the best selling cover in a short period of time they have ever had. He is very good, ppl like thor (its not like its black panther lvl of notability), and ppl already grew to liking the cover, on top of which he has SHINY stars.

We can gate it all we like, but if ppl say "I hate it. Buuuut, the cover is really good and I don't wanna wait *buys*" then all that vitriol accounts for nada in the decision making process because wallets speak louder than words.

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soenottelling wrote:

We can hate it all we like, but if ppl say "I hate it. Buuuut, the cover is really good and I don't wanna wait *buys*" then all that vitriol accounts for nada in the decision making process because wallets speak louder than words.

Yup, I get that. I am steadfastly refusing to put a drop of ISO into my Gold Thor, though I have won covers so I'm not locked out of PvE nodes.

I'm a tiny drop in the ocean, though, and I think my vote means nothing.

Copps

Well just read the post I stand corrected darken is definitely a gold char

Clintman

I love fathor, and I am really looking forward to Gold Daken, he should be a total badass. I just wish they had done a better job of upgrading Captain America though. Just because a subset of players **** about anything and everything does not mean their constant complaining should be heeded. It is enough that their point of view is heard. Repeating yourself does not make your position any more correct.

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Clint wrote:

Just because a subset of players **** about anything and everything

For the record, I **** about almost nothing. This strikes me as lazy and poor game design, though, regardless of the economic sense it may make to D3. I'm just as entitled to state my opinion as you are, as long as I'm not abusing anyone, thank you very much.

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We have a Darken, a Draken and a Daken. Nice, 3 new characters

IceIX

wathombe wrote:

Ice, is it possible that these three gold characters were already developed before Gold Thor shipped, and thus were going to come out anyway, regardless of player response?

Yes. That doesn't preclude other Golds, but these were done as a batch.

wathombe wrote:

Please give us some sort of assurance that 75% of new characters from here on out are going to be gold and thus not really new characters at all.

Most definitely not the case. Looking at the upcoming character list, the ratio is decidedly not in favor of Golds.

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IceIX wrote:

wathombe wrote:

Ice, is it possible that these three gold characters were already developed before Gold Thor shipped, and thus were going to come out anyway, regardless of player response?

Yes. That doesn't preclude other Golds, but these were done as a batch.

wathombe wrote:

Please give us some sort of assurance that 75% of new characters from here on out are going to be gold and thus not really new characters at all.

Most definitely not the case. Looking at the upcoming character list, the ratio is decidedly not in favor of Golds.

THANK YOU. I very much appreciate the quick and informative response.

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IceIX wrote:

wathombe wrote:

Ice, is it possible that these three gold characters were already developed before Gold Thor shipped, and thus were going to come out anyway, regardless of player response?

Yes. That doesn't preclude other Golds, but these were done as a batch.

wathombe wrote:

Please give us some sort of assurance that 75% of new characters from here on out are going to be gold and thus not really new characters at all.

Most definitely not the case. Looking at the upcoming character list, the ratio is decidedly not in favor of Golds.

Are we going to have to move to 4* soon? I'm tired of 3*.

IceIX

Microtom wrote:

Are we going to have to move to 4* soon? I'm tired of 3*.

There are going to be more 4*s coming out but I wouldn't say that you could "move" to them any time in the near future.

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We forumites are a massive minority but thankfully our voice is heard much louder then our numbers would imply.
I personally don't mind Gold versions of well liked characters. And so far that seems to be all that D3 has been making.
So it's understandable and is keeping the masses happy while allowing the devs focus on other issues so overall win/win.
I've personally never been a fan and hardly ever used the 2* of any of the golds they are releasing but im just one voice in a massive sea and completely understand why they are doing this.
/me shrugs

-ps Wathombe could u quit stalking my tourney brackets

IceIX wrote:

Microtom wrote:

Are we going to have to move to 4* soon? I'm tired of 3*.

There are going to be more 4*s coming out but I wouldn't say that you could "move" to them any time in the near future.

so is this admission that 4*s are ment to be pretty trophies that much like trophy wives are ment to only to look pretty and suck your wallet(iso) dry?

IceIX

MTGOFerret wrote:

so is this admission that 4*s are ment to be pretty trophies that much like trophy wives are ment to only to look pretty and suck your wallet(iso) dry?

No, just that most players aren't anywhere in the range of sitting with a few maxed 3*s so focusing our efforts on more 4*s at the moment would result in a bunch of characters that largely go unused and functionally are trophies for the vast majority of the player base.

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TheUnwiseOne wrote:

We have a Darken, a Draken and a Daken. Nice, 3 new characters

My tablet autocorrects it to "RAMEN".

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MTGOFerret wrote:

-ps Wathombe could u quit stalking my tourney brackets

I know, right?! We must have similar schedules, or strategies, or both. Maybe eventually I'll have the roster to attack you, and then it will be more fun for me. ;-p

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soenottelling wrote:

I am almost certain (100% guess lol) that other than ragnarok pre nerf lazy thor probably is the best selling cover in a short period of time they have ever had. He is very good, ppl like thor (its not like its black panther lvl of notability), and ppl already grew to liking the cover, on top of which he has SHINY stars.

We can gate it all we like, but if ppl say "I hate it. Buuuut, the cover is really good and I don't wanna wait *buys*" then all that vitriol accounts for nada in the decision making process because wallets speak louder than words.

Yeah, apparently 2** Thor was their previous cash cow so they went all out on Lazy Thor to make him as attractive as possible. Having heard the justifications from IceIX, I don't really mind the rehash nature of the gold characters anymore. And there's definitely nothing wrong with enticing people into spending money by making characters appealing.

However, what I still very much dislike, and which Lazy Thor is a great example of, is the power creep that's started to become all too apparent with the past few releases. They shouldn't throw every idea of a balanced stat budget out the window to make people want to buy his, or BP's, covers; it will only hurt the game in the long(er) run. I'm really hoping these two were just honest mishaps, but time will tell.

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IceIX wrote:

wathombe wrote:

Ice, is it possible that these three gold characters were already developed before Gold Thor shipped, and thus were going to come out anyway, regardless of player response?

Yes. That doesn't preclude other Golds, but these were done as a batch.

You guys are killing me over here. My OCD can't handle that my GOLD AVENGERS TEAM will be Thor, Cap, and Iron... Daken

Eddiemon

IceIX wrote:

Looking at the upcoming character list, the ratio is decidedly not in favor of Golds.

There's a list?

Unknown

Gold Daken.... I have mixed feelings about this one. I'm pretty sure Gold Daken will be just about the most annoying hero to face, given how annoying he is even as a 2*!

It seems they aren't adding a third skill to him, and although IceX said that Daken will have "tweaked" versions of his skills, it looks to be remaining the same: strike tiles and healing. Perhaps they won't be passive any longer, or require different amounts of matches to trigger?

Daken was the first 2* I maxed back in the day, to help me transition into a stronger 2* and 3* roster. I'm not sure if I'd like to use his Gold version though. They should really just buff X-Force first, to make 4* finally worth it, and to give people something to work towards..

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IceIX wrote:

MTGOFerret wrote:

so is this admission that 4*s are ment to be pretty trophies that much like trophy wives are ment to only to look pretty and suck your wallet(iso) dry?

No, just that most players aren't anywhere in the range of sitting with a few maxed 3*s so focusing our efforts on more 4*s at the moment would result in a bunch of characters that largely go unused and functionally are trophies for the vast majority of the player base.

So why has every new character been three stars? Why not add more 1 and 2 star characters for everyone?

KaioShinDE

sms4002 wrote:

IceIX wrote:

MTGOFerret wrote:

so is this admission that 4*s are ment to be pretty trophies that much like trophy wives are ment to only to look pretty and suck your wallet(iso) dry?

No, just that most players aren't anywhere in the range of sitting with a few maxed 3*s so focusing our efforts on more 4*s at the moment would result in a bunch of characters that largely go unused and functionally are trophies for the vast majority of the player base.

So why has every new character been three stars? Why not add more 1 and 2 star characters for everyone?

2* characters might have a place, but the game absolutely doesn't need more 1*s. If you add 1*s it only spreads the chances of new players actually getting the covers they need more thin. At the beginning of the game, collecting heroes is really the last thing on the average player's list. They want and need to max 2 or 3. Adding more 1*s only makes their lives harder.